I'm probably going to alienate a lot of people but...

[Midnight Wandering]

Pedophilia is neither an ideology nor is it voluntary. As it isn't an ideology, it can't preach the message of molesting children.

You might want to read Perverted Justice with its numerous recorded examples of pedophile advocacy. Advocacy in this case: "pedophilia is a acceptable lifestyle and btw here is how to molest children".

I looked them up. They say that pedophilia should be designated a sexual orientation rather than a mental illness. That seems fair enough to me.

I'm pretty sure I'd be pissed off if they decided homosexuality, or bisexuality were mental illnesses.

"Pedophilia is an incurable mental illness. "
"SIR I AM HIGHLY OFFENDED BY THIS STATEMENT."

Can someone point me to the point in this statement?

If you don't know the way, I'd like to find the logic as well.

I think the point is he didn't have a relevant response but couldn't stand to be silenced

[Izistan]

Jesus, you all need a goddamn crash course in mathematics and propositional logic. These arguments are embarrassingly bad.

*justifies child rape with mathematics*
*is beaten by crowd of rational people*

[Person012345]

Jesus, you all need a goddamn crash course in mathematics and propositional logic. These arguments are embarrassingly bad.

*justifies child rape with mathematics*
*is beaten by crowd of rational people*

Who is talking about child rape? The only people talking about child rape are the antis.

[The Imperial Navy]

I'm sorry... where were we? I forgot what we were debating.

[Midnight Wandering]

Jesus, you all need a goddamn crash course in mathematics and propositional logic. These arguments are embarrassingly bad.

*justifies child rape with mathematics*
*is beaten by crowd of rational people*

What part of pedophiles do not always rape children do you not understand?
What part of not all child rapsist are pedophiles can't you grasp?

[Des-Bal]

Child molestation is related to pedophilia in the same sense that nazis are related to kiling jews.

That is the worst comparison I have ever seen.

How so? I'm sure there are plenty of Nazis who don't kill jews in fact if there were any nazi sympathists here I'm sure you'd get a stern talking to.

First of all, being a nazi is a choice, pedophilia is not.

Second of all, part of the nazi ideology is the master race and the destruction of jews.

Yes, there were germans who helped the jews in WW2, because of that, they weren't technically nazis because they didn't follow the ideology.

If treatment is available and you choose not to get it it is a choice.
Being a pedophile is the sexual attraction to children. Sexual attraction to children and having sex with children aren't the same thing, neither are the the desire of a master race and killing jews.

[The Parkus Empire]

What part of not all child rapsist are pedophiles can't you grasp?

The sexual part.

[Franberry]

the worst thread

[UnhealthyTruthseeker]

What part of pedophiles do not always rape children do you not understand?
What part of not all child rapsist are pedophiles can't you grasp?

The part where OMG teh chilluns!!!!!111!! caused him to abandon the one thing that makes humans worthy of any moral consideration, reason.

[The Imperial Navy]

What part of not all child rapsist are pedophiles can't you grasp?

The sexual part.

Maybe he's a virgin or something. *shrug*

[Midnight Wandering]

What part of not all child rapsist are pedophiles can't you grasp?

The sexual part.

Requoting: A perpetrator of child sexual abuse is commonly assumed to be and referred to as a pedophile; however, there may be other motivations for the crime[55] (such as stress, marital problems, or the unavailability of an adult partner).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pedophilia ... olestation

[UnhealthyTruthseeker]

Here's a good question. Why do people abandon all sense and logic the second children are involved?

[Farnhamia]

Child molestation is related to pedophilia in the same sense that nazis are related to kiling jews.

That is the worst comparison I have ever seen.

How so? I'm sure there are plenty of Nazis who don't kill jews in fact if there were any nazi sympathists here I'm sure you'd get a stern talking to.

First of all, being a nazi is a choice, pedophilia is not.

Second of all, part of the nazi ideology is the master race and the destruction of jews.

Yes, there were germans who helped the jews in WW2, because of that, they weren't technically nazis because they didn't follow the ideology.

If treatment is available and you choose not to get it it is a choice.
Being a pedophile is the sexual attraction to children. Sexual attraction to children and having sex with children aren't the same thing, neither are the the desire of a master race and killing jews.

How do you propose to find the pedophiles so they can be rehabilitated? You'll have to have some kind of legal apparatus under which you can round them up for rehabilitation. What do you propose?

[Des-Bal]

Here's a good question. Why do people abandon all sense and logic the second children are involved?

Because you can't have sex with children and you want to have sex with children?

[The Imperial Navy]

Here's a good question. Why do people abandon all sense and logic the second children are involved?

Because nothing matters more than protecting kids. it's a maternal instinct. We'd kill everyone in the world if we felt it'd protect our own offspring.

[Dyakovo]

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I agree with most of you! Anyone who rapes or hurts or murders a child deserves to be dismembered in a painful and brutal way with dull instruments so as to increase the pain. But I am not a rapist, an abuser, or a murder. All I am is a guy, who likes other guys, and has a thing for little boys. I do not act on my urges. So please only constructive comments! I didn't do this to troll or cause flaming, I just want an open freaking dialogue with people who aren't childlovers.


Thank you.

...in which case I commend you for being able to resist such urges. Fetishes and fantasies are normal; knowing you have one, that it might be harmful and therefore exercising the willpower to restrain it is, I think, venerable. I should imagine it would be as hard for you to give up your sexuality as for me and many others to give up being straight. It must be torturous!

Anyone who is "alienated" by your post should know this: you can't help the way you are, but you can choose whether to act on instinct no matter how difficult that is.

I wish more people thought like that. A lot of people hear "paedophile" and think "monster".

I'll admit that is my first reaction...
Of course, one difference is I keep thinking after that initial reaction...

[The Parkus Empire]

Maybe he's a virgin or something. *shrug*

"The hole. . . .? In my argument?"

[The Imperial Navy]

Here's a good question. Why do people abandon all sense and logic the second children are involved?

Because you can't have sex with children and you want to have sex with children?

I think he's talking to you.

[Picklepoo]

I think you have MJ sindrom

[The Imperial Navy]

Maybe he's a virgin or something. *shrug*

"The hole. . . .? In my argument?"

[Tkdkidsx2]

Hark! you are not alone, I do get uncomfortable moments for minors of the ages 8-12...usually ones with blond hair, where the under layer is darker than the uppermost. Minnie clouds (FF). >.>

But no I coud never see myself wiith an actual child, though as a child I slept with adult men of my own violation.

Uhh... I think it is volition...

[My 3rd Floor Flat]

Only if you don't understand what an equality relation actually entails. For somebody claiming scientific support, you sure as hell can't use terminology properly.

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The way you put forward your points affects what they mean. That's kinda why I care. Your talking to a mathematician and physicist in training here. I don't know what your profession is, but around here, throwing terminology around haphazardly is not acceptable. Every statement must be carefully phrased.

I am a Secondary Science teacher in training. Whilst I have to have an up to date understanding of all scientific concepts my specialism is Biology, my next interest is Chemisty, and Physics and Mathmatics I will conceed are certainly not my strong points.

Interestingly this explains why most of our discussion has centered around terminology, because contrary to what you have accused me of I am using terminology correctly but to me it means something different because it has a different meaning in my primary discipline. I will also conceed that science is built upon maths, then physics, then chemistry, the biology and thus when it comes to accuracy in making statements I am less accurate. After all, 2+1=3, but to explain a biological issue requires a more linguistic approach.

With regard to "equality" and "chemical imbalance". Would it be clearer to you, or rather, more preferable, if I said, "A chemical imbalance caused when a set of relevant chemicals in the brain exceed their expected ratios to levels which would cause unexpected behaviour not of the norm."?

Recall our argument over the definition of the word "average". It had multiple definitions.

1) Stop calling it an imbalance.

See above, in my context and terminology it is an imbalance.

2) As there's not much scientific consensus on the cause of homosexuality, I'm not going to presume that it is necessarily chemical in nature. I like to make statements that I can actually support.

Fair enough.

3) In no case could the chemical setup itself be considered the illness. The cause and the effect are separate entities.

Really? I would consider the symptoms of skitzophrenia (spelling of it has escaped my mind) to me a result of the "chemical set up", or as I put it, "imbalance". I would equate the same to homosexuality in the cases which I propose would be caused by chemical imbalances.

So, demonstrate that homosexuality IS chemically caused and I will accept it.

Fair enough.

I still won't call the chemical setup an imbalance, however

Using the terminology applicapble to me and as I set it out above would you?

[Farnhamia]

Here's a good question. Why do people abandon all sense and logic the second children are involved?

Something inbred, evolved, to protect the small, mostly cute offspring? Not so hard to understand. 'Taint logical but I do understand it.

[The Death Gates]

Man, I tried to go through the entire thread before participating but you guys are too fast for me and I have a job to go tomorrow morning (it's 1:00 am here). So I just have to write and leave for tonight.

Utopia, Person, and others who are sure about childrens thoughts and likings, please make a good hard search on child psychology like Farnh (sorry Farnh for misspelling) was trying to imply you. The fact that we get our sexual urges around 12 doesn't mean we should immediately go for it. And before adolesence..? Curiosity should not be mixed up with arousal.

Heck, I also like to see beatiful teenagers around and even I sometimes wished to hang around with some. However it's like playing with cells of an embryo because just you find it interesting (meaning their pychology of course). You can never know what will come out of it. Mostly comes something bad though.

And last, you don't want to consult to a professional just because you don't want to but suggest a worldwide evaluation on kids to justify them being able to have sex with adults? That doesn't seem honest to me.

[Des-Bal]

Here's a good question. Why do people abandon all sense and logic the second children are involved?

Because you can't have sex with children and you want to have sex with children?

I think he's talking to you.

I know thats my answer there is no maybe lets talk about it when your sexual preference involves committing a felony.