I'm probably going to alienate a lot of people but...

[Neo Art]

Oh, don't worry. You missed nothing important. Usually that's how I take NA's prattling.

By attacking poster not post? Yeah, we tend to call that "flaming".

[Station 12]

There, now I really hope you see that I am not a troll or irrational. They aren't trolls either and they are likley not the most radical.

I don't think you're a troll because if you were you would've mentioned killing them all.

At the same time you have done nothing in this thread to prove that you are not a troll.

[My 3rd Floor Flat]

I'm not ignoring your point at all. I directly addressed your idea that homosexuality was an error.

No, chemical imbalance is not illness. The two are not equivalent. One can have a mental illness caused by non-chemical factors, so your equating the two is invalid.

As for the idea that a chemical ratio is necessarily "imbalanced," well, that's completely subjective.

And someone can have a mental illness caused by a chemical imbalance. I have already stated more times than I care to count that not all cases of homosexuality are caused purely by a chemical imbalance. So it shouldn't be too hard for you to grasp that when I say "someone has a chemical imbalance in this context is is equal to an illness" that you must surely be able to reason that I do not mean all homosexual cases are caused by chemical imbalances.

You are dodging my questions and my conclusions rather than debating them, instead you are using the way I am putting forward my points and making it out so that I am saying things which I am not saying.

Thus, to satisfy you. A Yes or No answer to this statement.

"Chemical imbalances are the cause of many diagnosed illnesses. In some cases homosexuality is caused by a a chemical imbalance in the same way that some cases of schizophrenia are caused by chemical imbalances. In such cases, could the chemical imbalance, and the resultant behaviour, be considered and illness?"

[The Imperial Navy]

Oh, don't worry. You missed nothing important. Usually that's how I take NA's prattling.

By attacking poster not post? Yeah, we tend to call that "flaming".

Ok, lets all chill before I get the fire extinguisher.

[Station 12]

Oh, don't worry. You missed nothing important. Usually that's how I take NA's prattling.

By attacking poster not post? Yeah, we tend to call that "flaming".

Guys, no-one cares about your personal beef with eachother, take it to telegram.

[Izistan]

Pedophilia is neither an ideology nor is it voluntary. As it isn't an ideology, it can't preach the message of molesting children.

You might want to read Perverted Justice with its numerous recorded examples of pedophile advocacy. Advocacy in this case: "pedophilia is a acceptable lifestyle and btw here is how to molest children".

[Midnight Wandering]

Pedophilia is neither an ideology nor is it voluntary. As it isn't an ideology, it can't preach the message of molesting children.

You might want to read Perverted Justice with its numerous recorded examples of pedophile advocacy. Advocacy in this case: "pedophilia is a acceptable lifestyle and btw here is how to molest children".

Or you could quote a part of it that's relevant, balanced, and credible. I'm not saying the book, or whatever, isn't all of those things - but I'm saying you should make it easier for people to be sure if you want to be taken more seriously than Des-bal

[Station 12]

Pedophilia is neither an ideology nor is it voluntary. As it isn't an ideology, it can't preach the message of molesting children.

You might want to read Perverted Justice with its numerous recorded examples of pedophile advocacy. Advocacy in this case: "pedophilia is a acceptable lifestyle and btw here is how to molest children".

I looked them up. They say that pedophilia should be designated a sexual orientation rather than a mental illness. That seems fair enough to me.

I'm pretty sure I'd be pissed off if they decided homosexuality, or bisexuality were mental illnesses.

[Neo Art]

"Chemical imbalances are the cause of many diagnosed illnesses. In some cases homosexuality is caused by a a chemical imbalance in the same way that some cases of schizophrenia are caused by chemical imbalances. In such cases, could the chemical imbalance, and the resultant behaviour, be considered and illness?"

What otherwise normal physiological function of the organism is being impaired by this alleged chemical imbalance?

Because that's the definition of "illness"

[Des-Bal]

Child molestation is related to pedophilia in the same sense that nazis are related to kiling jews.

That is the worst comparison I have ever seen.

How so? I'm sure there are plenty of Nazis who don't kill jews in fact if there were any nazi sympathists here I'm sure you'd get a stern talking to.

[Station 12]

"Chemical imbalances are the cause of many diagnosed illnesses. In some cases homosexuality is caused by a a chemical imbalance in the same way that some cases of schizophrenia are caused by chemical imbalances. In such cases, could the chemical imbalance, and the resultant behaviour, be considered and illness?"

What otherwise normal physiological function of the organism is being impaired by this alleged chemical imbalance?

Because that's the definition of "illness"

If it's actually messing with their head in a way that changes how human they are, then yeah, if they can live a perfectly ordinary life with the "imbalance", then no.

[UnhealthyTruthseeker]

And someone can have a mental illness caused by a chemical imbalance. I have already stated more times than I care to count that not all cases of homosexuality are caused purely by a chemical imbalance. So it shouldn't be too hard for you to grasp that when I say "someone has a chemical imbalance in this context is is equal to an illness" that you must surely be able to reason that I do not mean all homosexual cases are caused by chemical imbalances.

Only if you don't understand what an equality relation actually entails. For somebody claiming scientific support, you sure as hell can't use terminology properly.

You are dodging my questions and my conclusions rather than debating them, instead you are using the way I am putting forward my points and making it out so that I am saying things which I am not saying.

The way you put forward your points affects what they mean. That's kinda why I care. Your talking to a mathematician and physicist in training here. I don't know what your profession is, but around here, throwing terminology around haphazardly is not acceptable. Every statement must be carefully phrased.

"Chemical imbalances are the cause of many diagnosed illnesses. In some cases homosexuality is caused by a a chemical imbalance in the same way that some cases of schizophrenia are caused by chemical imbalances. In such cases, could the chemical imbalance, and the resultant behaviour, be considered and illness?"

1) Stop calling it an imbalance.

2) As there's not much scientific consensus on the cause of homosexuality, I'm not going to presume that it is necessarily chemical in nature. I like to make statements that I can actually support.

3) In no case could the chemical setup itself be considered the illness. The cause and the effect are separate entities.

So, demonstrate that homosexuality IS chemically caused and I will accept it. I still won't call the chemical setup an imbalance, however.

[My 3rd Floor Flat]

"Chemical imbalances are the cause of many diagnosed illnesses. In some cases homosexuality is caused by a a chemical imbalance in the same way that some cases of schizophrenia are caused by chemical imbalances. In such cases, could the chemical imbalance, and the resultant behaviour, be considered and illness?"

What otherwise normal physiological function of the organism is being impaired by this alleged chemical imbalance?

Because that's the definition of "illness"

Actually the definition is: "Poor health resulting from disease of body or mind; sickness".

Now your welcome to answer my statement with the complementary yes or no boxes.

[The Imperial Navy]

Child molestation is related to pedophilia in the same sense that nazis are related to kiling jews.

That is the worst comparison I have ever seen.

How so? I'm sure there are plenty of Nazis who don't kill jews in fact if there were any nazi sympathists here I'm sure you'd get a stern talking to.

You would compare the murder of 6 Million Jews to a controlled attraction to youngsters? Thats not working well in my book.

[Galloism]

Child molestation is related to pedophilia in the same sense that nazis are related to kiling jews.

That is the worst comparison I have ever seen.

How so? I'm sure there are plenty of Nazis who don't kill jews in fact if there were any nazi sympathists here I'm sure you'd get a stern talking to.

Actually, this illustration isn't bad. After all, we allow Nazis to hold rallies here on US soil, and we don't pump them full of valium to make sure they don't kill anybody. We do punish them if they do kill or attempt to kill someone (with imprisonment, just like child molestation).

[Farnhamia]

"Chemical imbalances are the cause of many diagnosed illnesses. In some cases homosexuality is caused by a a chemical imbalance in the same way that some cases of schizophrenia are caused by chemical imbalances. In such cases, could the chemical imbalance, and the resultant behaviour, be considered and illness?"

What otherwise normal physiological function of the organism is being impaired by this alleged chemical imbalance?

Because that's the definition of "illness"

Oooh! Oooh! Me! Me!

They can't have babies, therefore they're sick. No, wait ... darn.

[The Parkus Empire]

What otherwise normal physiological function of the organism is being impaired by this alleged chemical imbalance?

Because that's the definition of "illness"

I'm don't even think it is an "imbalance", NA, any more than heterosexuality is an "imbalance".

[Des-Bal]

There, now I really hope you see that I am not a troll or irrational. They aren't trolls either and they are likley not the most radical.

I don't think you're a troll because if you were you would've mentioned killing them all.

At the same time you have done nothing in this thread to prove that you are not a troll.

Neither have you.

[Station 12]

Child molestation is related to pedophilia in the same sense that nazis are related to kiling jews.

That is the worst comparison I have ever seen.

How so? I'm sure there are plenty of Nazis who don't kill jews in fact if there were any nazi sympathists here I'm sure you'd get a stern talking to.

First of all, being a nazi is a choice, pedophilia is not.

Second of all, part of the nazi ideology is the master race and the destruction of jews.

Yes, there were germans who helped the jews in WW2, because of that, they weren't technically nazis because they didn't follow the ideology.

[Midnight Wandering]

Child molestation is related to pedophilia in the same sense that nazis are related to kiling jews.

That is the worst comparison I have ever seen.

How so? I'm sure there are plenty of Nazis who don't kill jews in fact if there were any nazi sympathists here I'm sure you'd get a stern talking to.

You are beyond reason. You compare a group of people who don't choose their desires, to a group of people who decided to follow a ideology that preaches hate. Nazis chose to hate, pedophiles don't choose to desire.

[UnhealthyTruthseeker]

You might want to read Perverted Justice with its numerous recorded examples of pedophile advocacy. Advocacy in this case: "pedophilia is a acceptable lifestyle and btw here is how to molest children".

That does not make pedophilia an ideology. It means that there are people that have an ideology related to pedophilia, but that doe not make pedophilia itself an ideology.

Jesus, you all need a goddamn crash course in mathematics and propositional logic. These arguments are embarrassingly bad.

[Izistan]

Pedophilia is neither an ideology nor is it voluntary. As it isn't an ideology, it can't preach the message of molesting children.

You might want to read Perverted Justice with its numerous recorded examples of pedophile advocacy. Advocacy in this case: "pedophilia is a acceptable lifestyle and btw here is how to molest children".

I looked them up. They say that pedophilia should be designated a sexual orientation rather than a mental illness. That seems fair enough to me.

I'm pretty sure I'd be pissed off if they decided homosexuality, or bisexuality were mental illnesses.

"Pedophilia is an incurable mental illness. "
"SIR I AM HIGHLY OFFENDED BY THIS STATEMENT."

[Station 12]

Pedophilia is neither an ideology nor is it voluntary. As it isn't an ideology, it can't preach the message of molesting children.

You might want to read Perverted Justice with its numerous recorded examples of pedophile advocacy. Advocacy in this case: "pedophilia is a acceptable lifestyle and btw here is how to molest children".

I looked them up. They say that pedophilia should be designated a sexual orientation rather than a mental illness. That seems fair enough to me.

I'm pretty sure I'd be pissed off if they decided homosexuality, or bisexuality were mental illnesses.

"Pedophilia is an incurable mental illness. "
"SIR I AM HIGHLY OFFENDED BY THIS STATEMENT."

Can someone point me to the point in this statement?

If you don't know the way, I'd like to find the logic as well.

[Farnhamia]

"Chemical imbalances are the cause of many diagnosed illnesses. In some cases homosexuality is caused by a a chemical imbalance in the same way that some cases of schizophrenia are caused by chemical imbalances. In such cases, could the chemical imbalance, and the resultant behaviour, be considered and illness?"

What otherwise normal physiological function of the organism is being impaired by this alleged chemical imbalance?

Because that's the definition of "illness"

Actually the definition is: "Poor health resulting from disease of body or mind; sickness".

Now your welcome to answer my statement with the complementary yes or no boxes.

Funny, I'm a lesbian and I feel fine. Well, a little tired because the cat woke me up at 2:30 and then at 4:00, and my back is bothering me because I've been sitting all day, uhm, working, but otherwise, I'm good.

Is you statement true? Yes, but only because of the weasel words. I highlighted those. I'm not totally convinced, nor have you linked to any science supporting the chemical imbalance theory, but given the wishy-washy way that's written, yes, it's true. And yes, you do have to post l inks to supporting evidence. You make the claim, you provide the evidence.

[Neo Art]

"Chemical imbalances are the cause of many diagnosed illnesses. In some cases homosexuality is caused by a a chemical imbalance in the same way that some cases of schizophrenia are caused by chemical imbalances. In such cases, could the chemical imbalance, and the resultant behaviour, be considered and illness?"

What otherwise normal physiological function of the organism is being impaired by this alleged chemical imbalance?

Because that's the definition of "illness"

Actually the definition is: "Poor health resulting from disease of body or mind; sickness".

Now your welcome to answer my statement with the complementary yes or no boxes.

Sorry, no, not your monkey. If you pose a poor thought out, illogical, and fundamentally flawed question that is impossible to answer with any degree of reasonableness due to your (intentional or no) utter omission of crucial facts relevant to the answer, I'm not under any obligation to answer it.

I'll just point out that it's a bullshit question.

Or, in other words, I'll answer your question when you tell me whether you've stopped beating your wife.