I'm probably going to alienate a lot of people but...

[UnhealthyTruthseeker]

That would true if it was not for the fact that evolution considers homosexuals as good as dead. I fyou do not pass on your geentic material, you are as good as dead to evolution. Thus you're abusing a concept to cover up an issue which occurs during prenatal development and possibly further down the line during teenage years.

If you want however I will retract that one statement and correct it. "Homosexuals are an error from growth and development." Far more inflammatory but science is science and I will prove my point.

Now, since you can do nothing but argue over my choice of words, like last time, allow me to direct your attention back to this:

Homosexuality and pedophilia are caused in most cases by chemical imbalnces. Schizophrenia is caused by a chemical imbalance. I bet you wouldn't say someone "should" be like this "just because they are". No, they are ill, they suffer from an illness, and if they are not happy then we must treat them if they want it. Now, substitute my Schizophrenia example with homosexuality and pedophilia and you will find that the same straight forward scientific reasoning applies except that in a great number of homosexual cases they are happy with whom they are and thus should not be considered "ill" in a social concept becuse they are happy.

Well?

The problem is that predicting exactly what natural selection will favor is a tricky business. One would think homosexuality would be Darwinian suicide, and yet it is enormously prevalent in the animal kingdom. It clearly can't be doing that much harm, or it would have been selected out. Natural selection does not tolerate any waste at all.

I think the problem here is that you think Darwinian selection always favors every individual breeding. This is simply untrue. A cursory glance at wolves should convince you of this.

[Neo Art]

Pedophilia is not a freaking mental illness! It's a fetish! A sexual fetish! Fetishes are not insanity for pete's sake!

A fetish caused by mental illness.

And you're not trolling?

If we follow your logic, everyone who has a fetish, and we all do somehow, is mentally ill. Please. Reconsider your flawed logic.

Actually, that in no way follows from his statement. While his point is certainly debatable, the only one committing an error of logic is you, trying to argue, in some logic torturing way, that because someone said "this apple is red" that means that all apples are red.

Sure his point is certainly up to debate, but there's not literally illogical about his statement. Yours on the other hand.....

[The Imperial Navy]

NSG: Lovingly Supporting Child Rape since 2010.

[Des-Bal]

Broken sarcasm detector?

I think our cognitively challenged friend here might have thrown yours out of whack.

Come on. "I am being completely reasonable and logical". He's a troll. Being sarcastic.

It isn't sarcasm I'm hearing what your saying pointing out its strengths and flaws and then proposing my own ideas.

[Neo Art]

The problem is that predicting exactly what natural selection will favor is a tricky business. One would think homosexuality would be Darwinian suicide, and yet it is enormously prevalent in the animal kingdom. It clearly can't be doing that much harm, or it would have been selected out. Natural selection does not tolerate any waste at all.

Evolution does not work that way.

[Station 12]

But there were other ways for them legally to act on those desires pedophiles don't have a legal outlet.

The only legal outlet is asking someone else if they want to have sex. Not many people are going to automatically fuck you because you ask them.

We don't all use 'so do you wanna' as a pick-up line.

If they resorted to rape then obviously doing it the proper way wasn't fast enough for them.

Considering that normal people do not rape on a regular basis, I would say that most of us are capable of holding in our urge to jump on each other.

Since the ONLY trait of pedophilia is being sexually attracted to children, and humans can control their sexual urge, I would arrive at the logical conclusion that- gasp -pedophiles are people too, and shouldn't be persecuted or "rehabilitated" against their will just because a few people don't know what a fetish is.

[Midnight Wandering]

How about we ignore the troll people. He's an idiot. He will not budge from his position, so stop trying. He will spout rubbish at you until you get tired, so just drop it.

I'm not a troll, I'm being completely reasonable and logical.

I can feel the sarcasm in your post.

I'm not being sarcastic and god help me if this argument wasn't taking place in a breeding ground for pedophiles you would hear FAR more outlandish suggestions.

A breeding ground for pedophiles? I'm assuming you'd consider that a bad thing, in which case why are you still here?

I have never seen someone walk through a neighborhood and affectionatley call it a 'breeding ground for pedophiles'
Because I'm presuming
1) pedophiles are capable of logic
2) not only pedophiles are on the internet

I've had my doubts about the second and I'm beginning to question the first.

You are the one who seem incapable of logic, or at very least sourcing your claims. Any sources contrary to your claims you dismiss. If this is such a terrible place, I suggest you leave at least this thread - all you're doing is being offensive.

[Des-Bal]

NSG: Lovingly Supporting Child Rape since 2010.

noone is talking about child rape (except des bal, go figure).

Yes how twisted of me to suggest that being sexually attracted to children and sex with children are somehow related.

[The Imperial Navy]

NSG: Lovingly Supporting Child Rape since 2010.

noone is talking about child rape (except des bal, go figure).

Yes how twisted of me to suggest that being sexually attracted to children and sex with children are somehow related.

We were not discussing the link to Child sex. We were discussing attraction to children itself.

[The Parkus Empire]

NSG: Lovingly Supporting Child Rape since 2010.

Nobody here supports child-rape, and if he did, it would have been since 2003.

[Des-Bal]

But there were other ways for them legally to act on those desires pedophiles don't have a legal outlet.

The only legal outlet is asking someone else if they want to have sex. Not many people are going to automatically fuck you because you ask them.

We don't all use 'so do you wanna' as a pick-up line.

If they resorted to rape then obviously doing it the proper way wasn't fast enough for them.

Considering that normal people do not rape on a regular basis, I would say that most of us are capable of holding in our urge to jump on each other.

Since the ONLY trait of pedophilia is being sexually attracted to children, and humans can control their sexual urge, I would arrive at the logical conclusion that- gasp -pedophiles are people too, and shouldn't be persecuted or "rehabilitated" against their will just because a few people don't know what a fetish is.

Then the issue there is that they were socially inept not that they had desires. Supressing sexual urges is an excellent way to make serial killers.

[Des-Bal]

NSG: Lovingly Supporting Child Rape since 2010.

noone is talking about child rape (except des bal, go figure).

Yes how twisted of me to suggest that being sexually attracted to children and sex with children are somehow related.

We were not discussing the link to Child sex. We were discussing attraction to children itself.

[UnhealthyTruthseeker]

Evolution does not work that way.

Yes, it does. Waste does not last for long, as it decreases ones differential reproductive success. You do realize that behaviors and structures lacking any function whatsoever are using up energy that could be used elsewhere, right? You can find plenty of citations from Dawkins and other biologists about how natural selection removes waste from the gene pool quite efficiently.

[Midnight Wandering]

NSG: Lovingly Supporting Child Rape since 2010.

noone is talking about child rape (except des bal, go figure).

Yes how twisted of me to suggest that being sexually attracted to children and sex with children are somehow related.

As already shown by another poster; a person who sexually abuses a child may not be a pedophile - there are other causes, and also not all people attracted to children act on their desires. They may be related, but not every case has A leading to B so clearly.

[Station 12]

But there were other ways for them legally to act on those desires pedophiles don't have a legal outlet.

The only legal outlet is asking someone else if they want to have sex. Not many people are going to automatically fuck you because you ask them.

We don't all use 'so do you wanna' as a pick-up line.

If they resorted to rape then obviously doing it the proper way wasn't fast enough for them.

Considering that normal people do not rape on a regular basis, I would say that most of us are capable of holding in our urge to jump on each other.

Since the ONLY trait of pedophilia is being sexually attracted to children, and humans can control their sexual urge, I would arrive at the logical conclusion that- gasp -pedophiles are people too, and shouldn't be persecuted or "rehabilitated" against their will just because a few people don't know what a fetish is.

Then the issue there is that they were socially inept not that they had desires. Supressing sexual urges is an excellent way to make serial killers.

So all of those monks and nuns should go ahead and revoke that vow of celibacy before they kill us all?

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

Pedophilia is not a freaking mental illness! It's a fetish! A sexual fetish! Fetishes are not insanity for pete's sake!

A fetish caused by mental illness.

And you're not trolling?

If we follow your logic, everyone who has a fetish, and we all do somehow, is mentally ill. Please. Reconsider your flawed logic.

Actually, that in no way follows from his statement. While his point is certainly debatable, the only one committing an error of logic is you, trying to argue, in some logic torturing way, that because someone said "this apple is red" that means that all apples are red.

Sure his point is certainly up to debate, but there's not literally illogical about his statement. Yours on the other hand.....

I see that you hang unto my every word. Coming to a thread you haven't even been participating in just to quote me and make some silly remark. My NA, don't you have anything else to do?

[My 3rd Floor Flat]

That would true if it was not for the fact that evolution considers homosexuals as good as dead.

Homosexuality does not work that way

Your comment makes no sense with regard to the quoted point.

The problem is that predicting exactly what natural selection will favor is a tricky business. One would think homosexuality would be Darwinian suicide, and yet it is enormously prevalent in the animal kingdom. It clearly can't be doing that much harm, or it would have been selected out. Natural selection does not tolerate any waste at all.

I think the problem here is that you think Darwinian selection always favors every individual breeding. This is simply untrue. A cursory glance at wolves should convince you of this.

You are ignoring my point.

My point is this.

Chemical imbalance = illness.

Yes Or No? And supply your reasoning.

[The Imperial Navy]

NSG: Lovingly Supporting Child Rape since 2010.

noone is talking about child rape (except des bal, go figure).

Yes how twisted of me to suggest that being sexually attracted to children and sex with children are somehow related.

We were not discussing the link to Child sex. We were discussing attraction to children itself.

Regardless, we were discussing the Nature of the attraction, not the act of sex with a child. You can suggest it, but all you seem to be doing is pursuing that path like it's a crusade.

[Person012345]

NSG: Lovingly Supporting Child Rape since 2010.

noone is talking about child rape (except des bal, go figure).

Yes how twisted of me to suggest that being sexually attracted to children and sex with children are somehow related.

But they are not neccessarily together. You've been told this. You are given facts which you dismiss because they don't fit what you say. Could you explain the logic?

Also, most of the people you are arguing with are not paedophiles. They are just non-paedos. You are an anti.

[Farnhamia]

NSG: Lovingly Supporting Child Rape since 2010.

noone is talking about child rape (except des bal, go figure).

Yes how twisted of me to suggest that being sexually attracted to children and sex with children are somehow related.

Related in that someone sexually attracted to children might have sex with children, but the first does not always lead to the second.

Answer my questions:

How do you propose to find the pedophiles so they can be rehabilitated? You'll have to have some kind of legal apparatus under which you can round them up for rehabilitation. What do you propose?

You say you're being logical, tell us how you think this can be accomplished.

[Des-Bal]

But there were other ways for them legally to act on those desires pedophiles don't have a legal outlet.

The only legal outlet is asking someone else if they want to have sex. Not many people are going to automatically fuck you because you ask them.

We don't all use 'so do you wanna' as a pick-up line.

If they resorted to rape then obviously doing it the proper way wasn't fast enough for them.

Considering that normal people do not rape on a regular basis, I would say that most of us are capable of holding in our urge to jump on each other.

Since the ONLY trait of pedophilia is being sexually attracted to children, and humans can control their sexual urge, I would arrive at the logical conclusion that- gasp -pedophiles are people too, and shouldn't be persecuted or "rehabilitated" against their will just because a few people don't know what a fetish is.

Then the issue there is that they were socially inept not that they had desires. Supressing sexual urges is an excellent way to make serial killers.

So all of those monks and nuns should go ahead and revoke that vow of celibacy before they kill us all?

That would be an EXCELLENT argument if it wasn't for all the preacher rape. In fact that makes it an excellent argument for me.

[Neo Art]

I see that you hang unto my every word. Coming to a thread you haven't even been participating in just to quote me and make some silly remark. My NA, don't you have anything else to do?

are you truly under the impression that you're interesting enough for someone to actually follow you around?

You made a post, I read it, I responded. That's kinda how things work here. But I notice that you, once again, fail to address what I actually said, instead preferring to prattle on under some self delusion that I am spending some inordinate amount of time "following you around". It's almost like, once again, you actually can't respond to the argument as raised, and need to deflect about how vewy vewy mean I am.

So I'll consider your counter argument conceded.

[UnhealthyTruthseeker]

You are ignoring my point.

My point is this.

Chemical imbalance = illness.

Yes Or No? And supply your reasoning.

I'm not ignoring your point at all. I directly addressed your idea that homosexuality was an error.

No, chemical imbalance is not illness. The two are not equivalent. One can have a mental illness caused by non-chemical factors, so your equating the two is invalid.

As for the idea that a chemical ratio is necessarily "imbalanced," well, that's completely subjective.

[Alquerque]

Jeez, I skip from page 4 to 31 and things get so intense. anyway, about considering this a fetish, do you have any adult love interests who might be interested in outfits? sort of like the whole school-girl (boy in this case) thing? or has that been posted as a suggestion already?

[Station 12]

That would true if it was not for the fact that evolution considers homosexuals as good as dead.

Homosexuality does not work that way

Your comment makes no sense with regard to the quoted point.

While homosexuality is a part of who you are biologically it doesn't necessarily mean anyone you are related to is homosexual. Or anyone you ever were related to is homosexual. In fact, scientists haven't even tracked down the exact cause. It could be caused by a chemical in certain fruit for all we know.

Uh. Pun not intended.