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Postby Izistan » Wed Mar 10, 2010 3:12 pm

I suggest you castrate yourself. Protip: do it in the bathtub and bring lots of towels.
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Postby Des-Bal » Wed Mar 10, 2010 3:13 pm

Pedophilia is not a freaking mental illness! It's a fetish! A sexual fetish! Fetishes are not insanity for pete's sake!

A fetish caused by mental illness.
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Postby UnhealthyTruthseeker » Wed Mar 10, 2010 3:13 pm

Des-Bal wrote:I'm not a troll, I'm being completely reasonable and logical.


I agree. "Let's become a police state so 100 people out of 300,000,000 don't get molested." is a completely sensible position.
A little homework for you!

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Postby The Imperial Navy » Wed Mar 10, 2010 3:14 pm

Des-Bal wrote:
Pedophilia is not a freaking mental illness! It's a fetish! A sexual fetish! Fetishes are not insanity for pete's sake!

A fetish caused by mental illness.


Wrong. A fetish is something that turns people on. A mental illness is when someone can't control their own actions.

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Postby UnhealthyTruthseeker » Wed Mar 10, 2010 3:14 pm

Des-Bal wrote:A fetish caused by mental illness.


Psychology fail.
A little homework for you!

What part of L(f(t)) = Int(exp(-s*t)*f(t),t,0,inf) don't you understand?

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Postby Person012345 » Wed Mar 10, 2010 3:14 pm

UnhealthyTruthseeker wrote:
Des-Bal wrote:I'm not a troll, I'm being completely reasonable and logical.


I agree. "Let's become a police state so 100 people out of 300,000,000 don't get molested." is a completely sensible position.

Broken sarcasm detector?

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Postby Des-Bal » Wed Mar 10, 2010 3:14 pm

Person012345 wrote:
Des-Bal wrote:
Person012345 wrote:How about we ignore the troll people. He's an idiot. He will not budge from his position, so stop trying. He will spout rubbish at you until you get tired, so just drop it.

I'm not a troll, I'm being completely reasonable and logical.

I can feel the sarcasm in your post.


I'm not being sarcastic and god help me if this argument wasn't taking place in a breeding ground for pedophiles you would hear FAR more outlandish suggestions.
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Postby Midnight Wandering » Wed Mar 10, 2010 3:14 pm

Des-Bal wrote:
Pedophilia is not a freaking mental illness! It's a fetish! A sexual fetish! Fetishes are not insanity for pete's sake!

A fetish caused by mental illness.

Mentally ill does not automatically mean insane, depending on how you look at it. Would you consider someone who is depressed to be insane?
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Postby Station 12 » Wed Mar 10, 2010 3:14 pm

Des-Bal wrote:But there were other ways for them legally to act on those desires pedophiles don't have a legal outlet.

The only legal outlet is asking someone else if they want to have sex. Not many people are going to automatically fuck you because you ask them.
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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Wed Mar 10, 2010 3:15 pm

Des-Bal wrote:
Pedophilia is not a freaking mental illness! It's a fetish! A sexual fetish! Fetishes are not insanity for pete's sake!

A fetish caused by mental illness.


And you're not trolling?

If we follow your logic, everyone who has a fetish, and we all do somehow, is mentally ill. Please. Reconsider your flawed logic.
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Postby Des-Bal » Wed Mar 10, 2010 3:15 pm

The Imperial Navy wrote:
Des-Bal wrote:
Pedophilia is not a freaking mental illness! It's a fetish! A sexual fetish! Fetishes are not insanity for pete's sake!

A fetish caused by mental illness.


Wrong. A fetish is something that turns people on. A mental illness is when someone can't control their own actions.

Wrong. A mental illness is an illness of the mind. (The hell you say!) Certain fetishes (like feet) are often symptoms of mental illness.
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Postby My 3rd Floor Flat » Wed Mar 10, 2010 3:15 pm

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No, they aren't scientifically an "error." Error implies intent. Evolution has no intent. You're abusing terminology.


That would true if it was not for the fact that evolution considers homosexuals as good as dead. I fyou do not pass on your geentic material, you are as good as dead to evolution. Thus you're abusing a concept to cover up an issue which occurs during prenatal development and possibly further down the line during teenage years.

If you want however I will retract that one statement and correct it. "Homosexuals are an error from growth and development." Far more inflammatory but science is science and I will prove my point.

Now, since you can do nothing but argue over my choice of words, like last time, allow me to direct your attention back to this:

Homosexuality and pedophilia are caused in most cases by chemical imbalnces. Schizophrenia is caused by a chemical imbalance. I bet you wouldn't say someone "should" be like this "just because they are". No, they are ill, they suffer from an illness, and if they are not happy then we must treat them if they want it. Now, substitute my Schizophrenia example with homosexuality and pedophilia and you will find that the same straight forward scientific reasoning applies except that in a great number of homosexual cases they are happy with whom they are and thus should not be considered "ill" in a social concept becuse they are happy.


Well?
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Postby Midnight Wandering » Wed Mar 10, 2010 3:15 pm

Des-Bal wrote:
Person012345 wrote:
Des-Bal wrote:
Person012345 wrote:How about we ignore the troll people. He's an idiot. He will not budge from his position, so stop trying. He will spout rubbish at you until you get tired, so just drop it.

I'm not a troll, I'm being completely reasonable and logical.

I can feel the sarcasm in your post.


I'm not being sarcastic and god help me if this argument wasn't taking place in a breeding ground for pedophiles you would hear FAR more outlandish suggestions.


A breeding ground for pedophiles? I'm assuming you'd consider that a bad thing, in which case why are you still here?
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Postby UnhealthyTruthseeker » Wed Mar 10, 2010 3:15 pm

Person012345 wrote:Broken sarcasm detector?


I think our cognitively challenged friend here might have thrown yours out of whack.
A little homework for you!

What part of L(f(t)) = Int(exp(-s*t)*f(t),t,0,inf) don't you understand?

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Postby Des-Bal » Wed Mar 10, 2010 3:16 pm

Station 12 wrote:
Des-Bal wrote:But there were other ways for them legally to act on those desires pedophiles don't have a legal outlet.

The only legal outlet is asking someone else if they want to have sex. Not many people are going to automatically fuck you because you ask them.

We don't all use 'so do you wanna' as a pick-up line.
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Postby The Imperial Navy » Wed Mar 10, 2010 3:16 pm

Des-Bal wrote:Wrong. A mental illness is an illness of the mind. (The hell you say!) Certain fetishes (like feet) are often symptoms of mental illness.


So if someone likes something a little different, they have mental problems? Sorry, we're not all robots. Mr. Troll.

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Postby Utopia-Heaven » Wed Mar 10, 2010 3:17 pm

Besides, pedophiles don't breed last time I checked, especially since we're all castrated. Isn't that right Des?
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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Wed Mar 10, 2010 3:17 pm

Des-Bal wrote:
The Imperial Navy wrote:
Des-Bal wrote:
Pedophilia is not a freaking mental illness! It's a fetish! A sexual fetish! Fetishes are not insanity for pete's sake!

A fetish caused by mental illness.


Wrong. A fetish is something that turns people on. A mental illness is when someone can't control their own actions.

Wrong. A mental illness is an illness of the mind. (The hell you say!) Certain fetishes (like feet) are often symptoms of mental illness.


Wrong: fetishism is the attribution of inherent value or powers to an object. Nothing about mental illness there.
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Postby Station 12 » Wed Mar 10, 2010 3:17 pm

My 3rd Floor Flat wrote:That would true if it was not for the fact that evolution considers homosexuals as good as dead.

Homosexuality does not work that way
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Postby Person012345 » Wed Mar 10, 2010 3:17 pm

UnhealthyTruthseeker wrote:
Person012345 wrote:Broken sarcasm detector?


I think our cognitively challenged friend here might have thrown yours out of whack.

Come on. "I am being completely reasonable and logical". He's a troll. Being sarcastic.

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Postby Midnight Wandering » Wed Mar 10, 2010 3:18 pm

Des-Bal wrote:
Station 12 wrote:
Des-Bal wrote:But there were other ways for them legally to act on those desires pedophiles don't have a legal outlet.

The only legal outlet is asking someone else if they want to have sex. Not many people are going to automatically fuck you because you ask them.

We don't all use 'so do you wanna' as a pick-up line.

But for sex to be legal, you have to have consent right? I think that was the point Des-bal
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Postby Des-Bal » Wed Mar 10, 2010 3:18 pm

Midnight Wandering wrote:
Des-Bal wrote:
Person012345 wrote:
Des-Bal wrote:
Person012345 wrote:How about we ignore the troll people. He's an idiot. He will not budge from his position, so stop trying. He will spout rubbish at you until you get tired, so just drop it.

I'm not a troll, I'm being completely reasonable and logical.

I can feel the sarcasm in your post.


I'm not being sarcastic and god help me if this argument wasn't taking place in a breeding ground for pedophiles you would hear FAR more outlandish suggestions.


A breeding ground for pedophiles? I'm assuming you'd consider that a bad thing, in which case why are you still here?

I have never seen someone walk through a neighborhood and affectionatley call it a 'breeding ground for pedophiles'
Because I'm presuming
1) pedophiles are capable of logic
2) not only pedophiles are on the internet

I've had my doubts about the second and I'm beginning to question the first.
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Postby Izistan » Wed Mar 10, 2010 3:18 pm

NSG: Lovingly Supporting Child Rape since 2010.
:)
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Postby Des-Bal » Wed Mar 10, 2010 3:18 pm

Midnight Wandering wrote:
Des-Bal wrote:
Station 12 wrote:
Des-Bal wrote:But there were other ways for them legally to act on those desires pedophiles don't have a legal outlet.

The only legal outlet is asking someone else if they want to have sex. Not many people are going to automatically fuck you because you ask them.

We don't all use 'so do you wanna' as a pick-up line.

But for sex to be legal, you have to have consent right? I think that was the point Des-balls - sorry, Des-bal


I think your point was it is impossible to have consensual sx which is much more disturbing. People have consensual sex all the time.
Cekoviu wrote:DES-BAL: Introverted, blunt, focused, utilitarian. Hard to read; not verbose online or likely in real life. Places little emphasis on interpersonal relationships, particularly with online strangers for whom the investment would outweigh the returns.
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Postby Person012345 » Wed Mar 10, 2010 3:19 pm

Izistan wrote:NSG: Lovingly Supporting Child Rape since 2010.
:)

noone is talking about child rape (except des bal, go figure).

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