I'm probably going to alienate a lot of people but...

[Buffett and Colbert]

Here to me, is the issue.

If you were to ACTUALLY, stab someone in the testicles because of a crime they HAVEN'T committed, JUST BECAUSE THEY HAD THOUGHTS, then you're a worse person than they are, more than they could ever be. You stand against everything a free society believes in, and that's the free society we live in.

Thoughts of committing a crime gets you into dangerous waters.

Have you ever heard of conspiracy?

[Tahar Joblis]

This I can agree with.
When dealing with children's mind's, I ain't willing to take this chance.
I know what happens when you take that bet and lose.

Do you?

Kids are actually pretty plastic and resilient. I mean, there are kids who lived through Nazi death camps and went on to assume apparently perfectly normal lives. If anything, kids bounce back from shit easier than adults, who are more set in their ways. It's true of brain damage, at the least.

Paranoid precautions to "protect the children" can very easily do a lot of harm while preventing quite little harm. The next thing you know, you have witch-hunts, entrapment, and Senator McCarthy pushing for a new bill.

Your statements here are quite wrong and totally unjustified as those of us who live with adults who have gone through such acts know all to well.

My statements, as uncomfortable as they may be, are grounded in scientific fact... an example quote:

This fact is also based on brain imaging research that reveals the tremendous plasticity of the brain -particularly in the first five years of life.

It is terrible that bad things happen to children. Children especially are often helpless to defend themselves. However, it is complete and utter rubbish that children are psychologically or physiologically more fragile than adults. Show me anything that a child cannot recover from, and then look at me straight in the face and say that an adult would not also be traumatized. It's an uncomfortable scientific fact, because we feel protective of children in general, most of us - but the truth of the matter is that if little Timmy had a random hole bored through his head today, he'd have a better chance of recovering normal brain function than I would.

Does that mean we should bore a hole through Timmy's head? No! But in matters both physical and psychological, he is more resilient than I am, more adaptive, and ultimately, more able to recover. He may or may not do so, but serious scholars on the topic have asked pointed questions more directly on the topic than I am willing to address in the here and now.

We consider crimes against children more heinous not because of purported "lasting harm," but because of the helplessness of the victims.

Now, onto the second point: The "paranoid precautions." Sex offender laws gone berserk. We've seen this in our time. We've seen how they apply to a terribly broad spectrum of largely low-recidivism offenders, right down to the 19 year old who gets documented getting a blowjob from his 17 year old girlfriend. We've seen school libraries scoured of "unclean" books. "For the children" is the rallying cry to eliminate everything from Harry Potter to gay marriage.

And you can tell me, with a straight face, that terrible harm won't result from even the most paranoid precautions taken supposedly to protect children?

I hope the pedophiles here in this thread who have made claims that they are against hurting children will loudly come out in opposition to the viewpoints expressed in this truly perverse post by Tahar Joblis.

He is essentially legitimizing child abuse saying that children are "pretty plastic and resilient." I can only hope he is trolling.

Oh really? Point to where I've said that child abuse is a good thing.

...

Still waiting. You're not going to find it. You're never going to find it.

[Natapoc]

If you prefer the Freudian schtick

A sign that someone has not been updated on advancements in psychology since the 1950s or obtained all their understanding from popular media is when they start referencing Freudian psychology to try to indicate they know anything at all.

Freudian psychology is long debunked and not considered scientific by modern psychologists. I've read him. A very long time ago. He was mostly just a sexist moron who practiced something far from psychology but with the standards of the time were not very high so he is given a pass. (okay so perhaps I'm being a bit hard on him... Not by much though)

Freud might be a dumbass but he beats the hell out of alot of the bs you hear these days.

Most of the BS we hear these days is people who did not even understand Freud trying to use his ideas stupidly in pop psych. It is insane and has nothing to do with science. (real psychology is a science most of the stuff you hear about on the media or pop magazines and TV and radio personalities is "woo woo")

[2nd PLT]

Here to me, is the issue.

If you were to ACTUALLY, stab someone in the testicles because of a crime they HAVEN'T committed, JUST BECAUSE THEY HAD THOUGHTS, then you're a worse person than they are, more than they could ever be. You stand against everything a free society believes in, and that's the free society we live in.

Thoughts of committing a crime gets you into dangerous waters.

Have you ever heard of conspiracy?

Ahh yes, the thought crime for our current age.
But as I know, If you keep it off paper, and out of recorders, then you are a little bit safer.
And if you don't make the actual plans.

[Tahar Joblis]

Freud might be a dumbass but he beats the hell out of alot of the bs you hear these days.

Only in terms of how amusing his BS is. I positively love me some Freudian literary analysis. It's neat to think about.

Grounding in scientific fact? Well, there's a lot of better stuff floating around. Even some better piles of BS.

[Buffett and Colbert]

Here to me, is the issue.

If you were to ACTUALLY, stab someone in the testicles because of a crime they HAVEN'T committed, JUST BECAUSE THEY HAD THOUGHTS, then you're a worse person than they are, more than they could ever be. You stand against everything a free society believes in, and that's the free society we live in.

Thoughts of committing a crime gets you into dangerous waters.

Have you ever heard of conspiracy?

Ahh yes, the thought crime for our current age.
But as I know, If you keep it off paper, and out of recorders, then you are a little bit safer.
And if you don't make the actual plans.

It's murky water. I wouldn't post about such urges on the internet, if I were him, for example.

[Des-Bal]

Here to me, is the issue.

If you were to ACTUALLY, stab someone in the testicles because of a crime they HAVEN'T committed, JUST BECAUSE THEY HAD THOUGHTS, then you're a worse person than they are, more than they could ever be. You stand against everything a free society believes in, and that's the free society we live in.

Thoughts of committing a crime gets you into dangerous waters.

Have you ever heard of conspiracy?

Ahh yes, the thought crime for our current age.
But as I know, If you keep it off paper, and out of recorders, then you are a little bit safer.
And if you don't make the actual plans.

If you talk about killing someone records or not its conspiracy to commit.
Actually if you make plans to kill someone its an attempt you don't actually have to try it it just needs to be a substantial step.

[Tahar Joblis]

If you prefer the Freudian schtick

A sign that someone has not been updated on advancements in psychology since the 1950s or obtained all their understanding from popular media is when they start referencing Freudian psychology to try to indicate they know anything at all.

Which is precisely why I insinuated you might prefer it. Your response could have been taken out of the lips of a Freudian-contemporary psychologist.

[Utopia-Heaven]

Here to me, is the issue.

If you were to ACTUALLY, stab someone in the testicles because of a crime they HAVEN'T committed, JUST BECAUSE THEY HAD THOUGHTS, then you're a worse person than they are, more than they could ever be. You stand against everything a free society believes in, and that's the free society we live in.

Thoughts of committing a crime gets you into dangerous waters.

Have you ever heard of conspiracy?

Ahh yes, the thought crime for our current age.
But as I know, If you keep it off paper, and out of recorders, then you are a little bit safer.
And if you don't make the actual plans.

Exactly.

[2nd PLT]

Here to me, is the issue.

If you were to ACTUALLY, stab someone in the testicles because of a crime they HAVEN'T committed, JUST BECAUSE THEY HAD THOUGHTS, then you're a worse person than they are, more than they could ever be. You stand against everything a free society believes in, and that's the free society we live in.

Thoughts of committing a crime gets you into dangerous waters.

Have you ever heard of conspiracy?

Ahh yes, the thought crime for our current age.
But as I know, If you keep it off paper, and out of recorders, then you are a little bit safer.
And if you don't make the actual plans.

It's murky water. I wouldn't post about such urges on the internet, if I were him, for example.

Always remember, these boards can and will be used as evidence.

[Natapoc]

If you prefer the Freudian schtick

A sign that someone has not been updated on advancements in psychology since the 1950s or obtained all their understanding from popular media is when they start referencing Freudian psychology to try to indicate they know anything at all.

Which is precisely why I insinuated you might prefer it. Your response could have been taken out of the lips of a Freudian-contemporary psychologist.

Oh really? Would you mind showing me what I said that seemed Freudian?

[Tahar Joblis]

Oh, right. I forgot point three. How effective these paranoid precautions are, relative to said harm.

Which is to say, in many cases, jack shit. So divide by \epsilon not much greater than zero to get your ratio of harm to benefit.

[Utopia-Heaven]

Here to me, is the issue.

If you were to ACTUALLY, stab someone in the testicles because of a crime they HAVEN'T committed, JUST BECAUSE THEY HAD THOUGHTS, then you're a worse person than they are, more than they could ever be. You stand against everything a free society believes in, and that's the free society we live in.

Thoughts of committing a crime gets you into dangerous waters.

Have you ever heard of conspiracy?

Ahh yes, the thought crime for our current age.
But as I know, If you keep it off paper, and out of recorders, then you are a little bit safer.
And if you don't make the actual plans.

It's murky water. I wouldn't post about such urges on the internet, if I were him, for example.

Always remember, these boards can and will be used as evidence.

If I was actually planning something I would never post about it, I mean, FFS, that would be retarded. Murder or whatever, the key to not getting caught is to not TELL PEOPLE. That's where most go wrong.

[Des-Bal]

Oh, right. I forgot point three. How effective these paranoid precautions are, relative to said harm.

Which is to say, in many cases, jack shit. So divide by \epsilon not much greater than zero to get your ratio of harm to benefit.

Whats many? 100 is many out of a billion its still amazingly slim.

[2nd PLT]

SNIP

I want to ask you again, you have a lot of sources I imagine, but do you actually know someone who was molested?
Were you, or someone you care about molested as a child?
If not, don't even try to argue with me.
Real world experience is worth a lot more than your petty words and articles.

BTW that section where you come off sounding like you support Child abuse is this

Kids are actually pretty plastic and resilient. I mean, there are kids who lived through Nazi death camps and went on to assume apparently perfectly normal lives. If anything, kids bounce back from shit easier than adults, who are more set in their ways. It's true of brain damage, at the least.

That makes you sound like you agree with it.

[Person012345]

topic is relevant to this discussion

I suspect most of the paedos on this thread were abused and molested as children themselves, although they may deny it

Geniunely, as far as I remember, I was not. I can't remember jack shit about my early childhood though. I don't really remember anything before I was 14ish, just tiny snippets.

Ok. You don't have a clear memory before you were aged 14. That there is a whole lot of repression. You are blocking out years of trauma because it is too painful for you conscious mind to recollect. This repression may be the source of all your inversions. We need to pull this all out and start unraveling things.

Let me approach the issue this way. What happened when you were 14? What were the significant events in your life that was unfolding at the time for you? In what way was this a transitional period for you and your family

Or, it could mean that I have a shit memory. Man, I can't remember what I did this day last week, let alone 15 years ago. When I say "before age 14" it doesn't mean I remember stuff, I just know what was going on, I remember more of it. I remember a general overview. I was at school, I was unhappy, I remember that I went to town at lunchtime in yr 11, stuff like this, I remember the overview of how things happened. Whereas before 14 I remember nothing, only tiny bits of random information, eg. completing a 4 peice jigsaw of a lion when I was very young (god knows why that's stuck there, but it has) or shouting down an echoey hallway in greece. I don't remember specific events outside of these random things, or indeed anything. After 14, around that age, I can actually remember the day to day things. I don't really think there were any major events at 14. Things were just going on like normal. My life is not full of drama. I also (very fondly) remember doing some stuff at a church sunday school, a bunch of kids were there is why. That continued until I was 19 and moved away. Though this is really irrelevant.

Have you considered your abuse theory may be flawed?

Its just a general hypothesis.

You mention that you were unhappy as a child. May I ask why? What was your relationship like with you parents? And also, did you have any younger siblings?

I view my parents as any normal people, I don't really love them unconditionally like you're supposed to and stuff, I've never felt it. They split when I was young (I don't remember when), so my dad has lived in england (I'm living with him atm when my mother kicked me out, for no good reason I might add), and I have lived with my mother for the past ten years, I won't say where in case anyone I know irl happens to come on this board, but not in the same country. My relationship with them has always been meh - strained. I do have a younger brother who I believe gets treated better than I do. My unhappiness did not have a one single cause, my life sucked (still does really). It's not the worst, I know, but it still wasn't much good. Though all of this is what I can recall, so after I already knew I was a pedo. I don't remember what the relationship was like before then or how I felt.

How much younger is your brother than you? Do you resent him for your parents preferential treatment? Have you ever molested him, or been inclined to do so? Are you sexually attracted to him?

2 years, no, no, no.

[Person012345]

Simple. I hate you.

And why do you hate him?

Because he's a paedophile. Paedophilia isn't a sexual orientation it's a perversion, and there is nothing acceptable about it ever. We're talking about a person who can't get off without victimising a child. Don't *you* think that's sick?

"victimising" in what way?

[Buffett and Colbert]

Here to me, is the issue.

If you were to ACTUALLY, stab someone in the testicles because of a crime they HAVEN'T committed, JUST BECAUSE THEY HAD THOUGHTS, then you're a worse person than they are, more than they could ever be. You stand against everything a free society believes in, and that's the free society we live in.

Thoughts of committing a crime gets you into dangerous waters.

Have you ever heard of conspiracy?

Ahh yes, the thought crime for our current age.
But as I know, If you keep it off paper, and out of recorders, then you are a little bit safer.
And if you don't make the actual plans.

It's murky water. I wouldn't post about such urges on the internet, if I were him, for example.

Always remember, these boards can and will be used as evidence.

If I was actually planning something I would never post about it, I mean, FFS, that would be retarded. Murder or whatever, the key to not getting caught is to not TELL PEOPLE. That's where most go wrong.

You're putting into the public domain that you have the urge to commit a crime. That's enough pretense for the cops to come knocking at your door.

[Utopia-Heaven]

Here to me, is the issue.

If you were to ACTUALLY, stab someone in the testicles because of a crime they HAVEN'T committed, JUST BECAUSE THEY HAD THOUGHTS, then you're a worse person than they are, more than they could ever be. You stand against everything a free society believes in, and that's the free society we live in.

Thoughts of committing a crime gets you into dangerous waters.

Have you ever heard of conspiracy?

Ahh yes, the thought crime for our current age.
But as I know, If you keep it off paper, and out of recorders, then you are a little bit safer.
And if you don't make the actual plans.

It's murky water. I wouldn't post about such urges on the internet, if I were him, for example.

Always remember, these boards can and will be used as evidence.

If I was actually planning something I would never post about it, I mean, FFS, that would be retarded. Murder or whatever, the key to not getting caught is to not TELL PEOPLE. That's where most go wrong.

You're putting into the public domain that you have the urge to commit a crime. That's enough pretense for the cops to come knocking at your door.

Dude. No. Just. No. I didn't say I had to the urge. I said "If I was actually planning something."

There isn't a single indicator that I have ever considered committing a crime. I'm stating a hypothetical statement.

[Person012345]

Simple. I hate you.

And why do you hate him?

Because he's a paedophile. Paedophilia isn't a sexual orientation it's a perversion, and there is nothing acceptable about it ever. We're talking about a person who can't get off without victimising a child. Don't *you* think that's sick?

Who cares how socially acceptable a certain thing is as long as one doesn't go through with it? That's like saying you hate people who like to have rape fantasies who would never actually rape anyone.

I do hate people that have rape fantasies their sick and twisted.

Calling all thought police, we got a rape fantasy, over.

Pedophilia is a lifestyle in the same sense arson is.

Yeah, you're right, a crime is the same as sexual preference.

Hey, I recognize you from somewhere.

If your aroused by rape you should have your head examined.

Next you'll be telling me that people who enjoy writing horror fiction need to be examined.

Pathological arsonists are aroused by fire, they become excited when they burn things.

Which is to say they'll commit a crime? Does not compute.

Yes they should because if you can reach inside your head and pull out something horrible and evil theres probably something horrible and evil in your head. That might just be that don't have sex with children logic though.

Yes, having an overwhelming desire to commit a crime often means you'll commit a crime.

As I explained to you, I don't have an "overwhelming desire to commit a crime" because my concience neutralises it. I simply do not want to harm a child. It might feel good, but it would also feel bad, so the desire to do it is not there and never will be.

[Natapoc]

SNIP

I want to ask you again, you have a lot of sources I imagine, but do you actually know someone who was molested?
Were you, or someone you care about molested as a child?
If not, don't even try to argue with me.
Real world experience is worth a lot more than your petty words and articles.

BTW that section where you come off sounding like you support Child abuse is this

Kids are actually pretty plastic and resilient. I mean, there are kids who lived through Nazi death camps and went on to assume apparently perfectly normal lives. If anything, kids bounce back from shit easier than adults, who are more set in their ways. It's true of brain damage, at the least.

That makes you sound like you agree with it.

Indeed his article does not mean what he seems to think it means. Take a look again at the link he gave: http://www.healingresources.info/emotio ... _video.htm

Of course it is a non authoritative source but it seems to be saying the opposite of what this poster thinks.

Yes children are very PHYSICALLY resilient but they are not psychologically resilient.

He seems to be trying to back his way out of implied support for child abuse.

[Person012345]

Well of the few paedophiles I've met all of them have molested kids. And growing up I've known a quite a few who were molested, most of them by family members.

How many have you met? About 90% of the ones I've met have never committed a crime and are unlikely to.

[Des-Bal]

Well of the few paedophiles I've met all of them have molested kids. And growing up I've known a quite a few who were molested, most of them by family members.

How many have you met? About 90% of the ones I've met have never committed a crime and are unlikely to.

You know pedophiles that commit crimes. You are an accesory. Thank you for posting this on the internet.

[Person012345]

95% of people that molest children are pedophiles. The other five are indiscriminants and I really think those should be counted.

Source? Proof? Studies?

Here, let me help you out by providing a starting point.
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=pedophilia

He's got his figures wrong. 1. I believe the 95% is rape. Only 65% of child molesters are paedophiles. 2. He dismisses the other people because it disagrees with what he says. Seriously des bal, unless you can come up with something stronger than claims and bullshit, please fuck off.

[Person012345]

Well of the few paedophiles I've met all of them have molested kids. And growing up I've known a quite a few who were molested, most of them by family members.

How many have you met? About 90% of the ones I've met have never committed a crime and are unlikely to.

You know pedophiles that commit crimes. You are an accesory. Thank you for posting this on the internet.

I don't know them in person you idiot. If I did I'd turn them in.