I'm probably going to alienate a lot of people but...

[Utopia-Heaven]

By the way PLT, we're merely bashing him for being stupid. Not because of his age. It was a negative commentary. If you're a 50 year old saying nanny nanny boo boo, I'm going to bash you for childish behavior. I distribute my justice fairly and even handedly.

[Des-Bal]

If you were just walking up to someone and informed them you wanted to castrate them then yes that is a warning sign. Since you were somewhat humorous in it and it was more of a representation of your dislike of pedophiles that one could slide.

So, joking about it makes it okay.
Using that joke as a way to express my dislike of Pedos makes it okay.
Haven't you heard of that saying "There is a little truth in every jest"
What if I did it?
What if, I was laughing as I did it?
and then what if I... Suddenly I come back to reality and realize that is too graphic to post.
Oh one more I just thought of, What if that person that I just walked up to didn't know me but I knew they were a Pedo and had proof?

Yes, the truth is you don't like pedophiles.
If every day you make a comment about how much you want to cut someones balls off there might be a slightly different problem.
Pedo or child molester? 1) Get him help 2)Report him to the police and stab him in the balls if you explain I'm sure there will be an evidence gathering error or something.

[FreeSatania]

If you were just walking up to someone and informed them you wanted to castrate them then yes that is a warning sign. Since you were somewhat humorous in it and it was more of a representation of your dislike of pedophiles that one could slide.

So, joking about it makes it okay.
Using that joke as a way to express my dislike of Pedos makes it okay.
Haven't you heard of that saying "There is a little truth in every jest"
What if I did it?
What if, I was laughing as I did it?
and then what if I... Suddenly I come back to reality and realize that is too graphic to post.
Oh one more I just thought of, What if that person that I just walked up to didn't know me but I knew they were a Pedo and had proof?

Then that'd be pretty hardcore.

[Natapoc]

I said I'd punch a friend and I'd do it. I'd do it because they were my friend. Friends don't let friends fantasize about fucking children.

Castration is just FreeSatania's way of expressing friendship. Why judge him for it? Who are we to say it is wrong? Castrating someone is like a handshake or something?

FreeSatania, you know these people in this thread they say they will never act on such desires. If society punishes them for even feeling sometimes like they want to do that (as sick as it is) with a punishment so severe then what is to stop them from simply doing it?

I mean the pedophile will get scorned and abused either way right?

I would rather give the pedophiles a legal option to exist as long as they are able to do exist without hurting someone. Making a person illegal just for existing with inclinations that are highly negative is bad policy.

[Utopia-Heaven]

Here to me, is the issue.

If you were to ACTUALLY, stab someone in the testicles because of a crime they HAVEN'T committed, JUST BECAUSE THEY HAD THOUGHTS, then you're a worse person than they are, more than they could ever be. You stand against everything a free society believes in, and that's the free society we live in.

[2nd PLT]

This I can agree with.
When dealing with children's mind's, I ain't willing to take this chance.
I know what happens when you take that bet and lose.

Do you?

Kids are actually pretty plastic and resilient. I mean, there are kids who lived through Nazi death camps and went on to assume apparently perfectly normal lives. If anything, kids bounce back from shit easier than adults, who are more set in their ways. It's true of brain damage, at the least.

Paranoid precautions to "protect the children" can very easily do a lot of harm while preventing quite little harm. The next thing you know, you have witch-hunts, entrapment, and Senator McCarthy pushing for a new bill.

I have been calm and quiet this entire time but you just hit my button!
FLAME
Sorry mods, I'll go cool off now.

[FreeSatania]

By the way PLT, we're merely bashing him for being stupid. Not because of his age. It was a negative commentary. If you're a 50 year old saying nanny nanny boo boo, I'm going to bash you for childish behavior. I distribute my justice fairly and even handedly.

Kids are stupid, it's one of the many reasons you should not fuck them.

G'night all. I'm off to bed.

PS. Knife 'em in the balls 2nd PLT

[Utopia-Heaven]

I said I'd punch a friend and I'd do it. I'd do it because they were my friend. Friends don't let friends fantasize about fucking children.

Castration is just FreeSatania's way of expressing friendship. Why judge him for it? Who are we to say it is wrong? Castrating someone is like a handshake or something?

FreeSatania, you know these people in this thread they say they will never act on such desires. If society punishes them for even feeling sometimes like they want to do that (as sick as it is) with a punishment so severe then what is to stop them from simply doing it?

I mean the pedophile will get scorned and abused either way right?

I would rather give the pedophiles a legal option to exist as long as they are able to do exist without hurting someone. Making a person illegal just for existing with inclinations that are highly negative is bad policy.

^This

[Utopia-Heaven]

This I can agree with.
When dealing with children's mind's, I ain't willing to take this chance.
I know what happens when you take that bet and lose.

Do you?

Kids are actually pretty plastic and resilient. I mean, there are kids who lived through Nazi death camps and went on to assume apparently perfectly normal lives. If anything, kids bounce back from shit easier than adults, who are more set in their ways. It's true of brain damage, at the least.

Paranoid precautions to "protect the children" can very easily do a lot of harm while preventing quite little harm. The next thing you know, you have witch-hunts, entrapment, and Senator McCarthy pushing for a new bill.

I have been calm and quiet this entire time but you just hit my button!
FLAME
Sorry mods, I'll go cool off now.

^^^ This too.

[Des-Bal]

I said I'd punch a friend and I'd do it. I'd do it because they were my friend. Friends don't let friends fantasize about fucking children.

Castration is just FreeSatania's way of expressing friendship. Why judge him for it? Who are we to say it is wrong? Castrating someone is like a handshake or something?

FreeSatania, you know these people in this thread they say they will never act on such desires. If society punishes them for even feeling sometimes like they want to do that (as sick as it is) with a punishment so severe then what is to stop them from simply doing it?

I mean the pedophile will get scorned and abused either way right?

I would rather give the pedophiles a legal option to exist as long as they are able to do exist without hurting someone. Making a person illegal just for existing with inclinations that are highly negative is bad policy.

I think if they have criminal desires they should be 1. Helped 2. Pursecuted their choice. Get help or GTFO of my society.

[Utopia-Heaven]

>.> Now.. I suppose it's time for me to take two steps forward and one step back. Or one step forward and two steps back. Whichever happens first.


1: The reason that I KNOW, for sure, FOR A MILLION TIMES SURE, that I will never hurt a child is because, I, as a child, I forget exactly how old I was, I think 6 or 7, was molested by a female teacher.

2: I know this is a step back because it proves that it can be caused by trauma, but I just want this to be there, TOUCHING A CHILD, WITHOUT THEIR CONSENT... IS.... WRONG.

I did not like being touched without permission. She forced herself on me in a sexual way. Now, a few weeks before this I had had a mildly sexual encounter with a boy in my class, and I gave permission, and he did too. I enjoyed that, I didn't repress that memory. I reveled in it because it was a mutually fun experience.

That... CUNT... Did not have permission.

[Natapoc]

This I can agree with.
When dealing with children's mind's, I ain't willing to take this chance.
I know what happens when you take that bet and lose.

Do you?

Kids are actually pretty plastic and resilient. I mean, there are kids who lived through Nazi death camps and went on to assume apparently perfectly normal lives. If anything, kids bounce back from shit easier than adults, who are more set in their ways. It's true of brain damage, at the least.

Paranoid precautions to "protect the children" can very easily do a lot of harm while preventing quite little harm. The next thing you know, you have witch-hunts, entrapment, and Senator McCarthy pushing for a new bill.

Your statements here are quite wrong and totally unjustified as those of us who live with adults who have gone through such acts know all to well.

I hope the pedophiles here in this thread who have made claims that they are against hurting children will loudly come out in opposition to the viewpoints expressed in this truly perverse post by Tahar Joblis.

He is essentially legitimizing child abuse saying that children are "pretty plastic and resilient." I can only hope he is trolling.

[Utopia-Heaven]

This I can agree with.
When dealing with children's mind's, I ain't willing to take this chance.
I know what happens when you take that bet and lose.

Do you?

Kids are actually pretty plastic and resilient. I mean, there are kids who lived through Nazi death camps and went on to assume apparently perfectly normal lives. If anything, kids bounce back from shit easier than adults, who are more set in their ways. It's true of brain damage, at the least.

Paranoid precautions to "protect the children" can very easily do a lot of harm while preventing quite little harm. The next thing you know, you have witch-hunts, entrapment, and Senator McCarthy pushing for a new bill.

Your statements here are quite wrong and totally unjustified as those of us who live with adults who have gone through such acts know all to well.

I hope the pedophiles here in this thread who have made claims that they are against hurting children will loudly come out in opposition to the viewpoints expressed in this truly perverse post by Tahar Joblis.

He is essentially legitimizing child abuse saying that children are "pretty plastic and resilient." I can only hope he is trolling.

^^ This.

[Des-Bal]

>.> Now.. I suppose it's time for me to take two steps forward and one step back. Or one step forward and two steps back. Whichever happens first.


1: The reason that I KNOW, for sure, FOR A MILLION TIMES SURE, that I will never hurt a child is because, I, as a child, I forget exactly how old I was, I think 6 or 7, was molested by a female teacher.

2: I know this is a step back because it proves that it can be caused by trauma, but I just want this to be there, TOUCHING A CHILD, WITHOUT THEIR CONSENT... IS.... WRONG.

I did not like being touched without permission. She forced herself on me in a sexual way. Now, a few weeks before this I had had a mildly sexual encounter with a boy in my class, and I gave permission, and he did too. I enjoyed that, I didn't repress that memory. I reveled in it because it was a mutually fun experience.

That... CUNT... Did not have permission.

1. Red Flag
2. CHILD CANNOT CONSENT

Red Flag

Right now I am setting down all of my personal opinions about you, your life choices, your lifestyle, your life story and telling you from the bottom of my heart Get Help.

[2nd PLT]

>.> Now.. I suppose it's time for me to take two steps forward and one step back. Or one step forward and two steps back. Whichever happens first.


1: The reason that I KNOW, for sure, FOR A MILLION TIMES SURE, that I will never hurt a child is because, I, as a child, I forget exactly how old I was, I think 6 or 7, was molested by a female teacher.

2: I know this is a step back because it proves that it can be caused by trauma, but I just want this to be there, TOUCHING A CHILD, WITHOUT THEIR CONSENT... IS.... WRONG.

I did not like being touched without permission. She forced herself on me in a sexual way. Now, a few weeks before this I had had a mildly sexual encounter with a boy in my class, and I gave permission, and he did too. I enjoyed that, I didn't repress that memory. I reveled in it because it was a mutually fun experience.

That... CUNT... Did not have permission.

I've calmed down now mods.
I knew there was a reason I was level with you.
I do trust that you won't do anything.
You know what it's like, you know how wrong it is to molest a child.
I feel for you

[The Master of Worlds]

Wow...OK. PLT, I'm sure we're all sorry for what happened to your mother. Not that you really care about me saying that, I'm sure. No one is saying that people who were molested don't feel the aftereffects in the many forms they come in. In fact, I think we can all agree on the fact that people suffer a great many things after being abused in the many forms that abuse takes place.

I've known several people that were molested, some close friends of mine included. I don't think there's a single person here that will say that molesting children is OK. In fact, I'm fairly certain that most people who have admitted to liking children on this thread don't want to go through with their urges. I know how hard it is to deal with stuff like that too, it's part of the reason I studied psychology.

All I'm saying is that it makes very little sense to harm someone based on desires they can't control, especially if those desires don't bring about a crime. Should whoever molests a child be arrested and punished? Absolutely.

As for the scenario of someone walking up to another and having proof of them being a pedophile, I would say it depends of the proof. If it's just a piece of paparer expressing their attraction to children with their signature on it, I'd there is no crime. If it's a piece of child porn from their computer or worse, by all means arrest them. But up until the attempt or execution of the crime, there are no grounds to do anything to them. In fact, I'm fairly certain that if you did something to them based on their attraction, it may well be considered a hate crime.

[Utopia-Heaven]

>.> Actually, I totally would have consented had I been asked. I was kinda desperate for more information on sex at the time. Whether or not it was legal consent or not. It's tough shit.


I have already gotten help for this specific asset of my psych. I told my parents, they didn't believe me, but they allowed me to talk to a psychiatrist. I've mostly come to terms with it.

[Utopia-Heaven]

No one is saying that people who were molested don't feel the aftereffects in the many forms they come in. In fact, I think we can all agree on the fact that people suffer a great many things after being abused in the many forms that abuse takes place.

I've known several people that were molested, some close friends of mine included. I don't think there's a single person here that will say that molesting children is OK. In fact, I'm fairly certain that most people who have admitted to liking children on this thread don't want to go through with their urges. I know how hard it is to deal with stuff like that too, it's part of the reason I studied psychology.

All I'm saying is that it makes very little sense to harm someone based on desires they can't control, especially if those desires don't bring about a crime. Should whoever molests a child be arrested and punished? Absolutely.
.

All of this to the Nth degree.

Pedophile: Lover of children.

I LOVE children. Not just sexually, but emotionally. I want only the best for a child. I don't ever. EVER want a child to feel pain. If I could cure the diseases that kids get, the terminal ones, I would give my life to get that cure. I want children to grow up and be healthy.

[Tahar Joblis]

Are you really unable to tell the difference between displays of non sexual physical affection and sexual conduct? This is not difficult for most people.

Actually, I strongly suspect that we have an under-reporting of female pedophilia, if we're going to define it in the sort of terms the OP seems willing to. If you prefer the Freudian schtick, write three paragraphs involving terms like "sublimation of desire," "id," et cetera, take two hits of cocaine, jabber about some ancient Greek myths and 19th century German literature, smoke a cigar, and call me in the morning.

People themselves are often not very able to distinguish between sexual and non-sexual feelings. Check any study on the confusion of fear and lust. We interpret our physical reactions cognitively based on context, and we temper our behavior and even our perceptions of our motivations based on what is and is not socially acceptable - and yet still channel our behavior in ways that appeals to those urges.

There's no question to me that the thrill I get from waltzing with that athletic redhead is at its root sexual in at least one sense, even if I never seriously consider bedding her (and would, of course, express suitable dismay at the suggestion that I would fuck her right there on the dance floor - whether or not it appealed to me). And frankly, to me, some of those women really do seem to be getting some sort of animalistic thrill out of getting all touchy-feely with kids they've never met before and wouldn't know from Adam. I felt uncomfortable with such women more than once as a child, even if I would not be able to look back and say "Here, this woman molested me that time!"

No one is a pedophile for sleeping with another person regardless of age (sleeping is not a sexual act) unless by sleeping with you mean having sex with in which case it depends on the age of the person who had sex with the 13 year old girl.

How so? If a 31 year old man has sex with a 13 year old, what matters in calling him a pedophile?

See, I'm a fan of precise definitions, and I would like to define pedophile precisely in terms of desiring sexually immature bodies. A 13 year old can be pretty mature in the sense of physical sexual characteristics. I know when I was 13, I could easily be mistaken for eighteen by older folk - and that some eighteen year olds would be taken for thirteen. Sexual lust for a teenager? That seems like it's often a different bag than sexual lust for a child, and the problems with it are different.

A fourteen year old girl is generally a very sexual being with desires of her own. The reasons it is inappropriate for me to sleep with one have nothing to do with her physical characteristics and whether or not I should find them appealing, or her not being competent to figure out whether or not she actually wants sex; the reasons have everything to do with economics, power, and information asymmetry.

Now most of the self proclaimed pedophiles here recognize that acting out on their fantasies is wrong and I applaud them for that. I hope you are not of the opposite viewpoint because it sounds here like you are trying to advocate such.

The joys of being a vocal principled fellow.

No, I don't think that pedophiles should be acting out their desires. I do think the laws relating to sex and age are six different kinds of fucked up - there's something disturbing about teenagers being liable for serious federal charges for "sexting" to each other, the marriage loopholes, and all the variations, oddities, and inanities from state to state and nation to nation - but no, I don't think that folks should be having sex with pre-adolescents.

I do worry about laws that persecute, rather than prosecute, and that's a major problem with sex offender laws on the books in many states.

[Des-Bal]

No one is saying that people who were molested don't feel the aftereffects in the many forms they come in. In fact, I think we can all agree on the fact that people suffer a great many things after being abused in the many forms that abuse takes place.

I've known several people that were molested, some close friends of mine included. I don't think there's a single person here that will say that molesting children is OK. In fact, I'm fairly certain that most people who have admitted to liking children on this thread don't want to go through with their urges. I know how hard it is to deal with stuff like that too, it's part of the reason I studied psychology.

All I'm saying is that it makes very little sense to harm someone based on desires they can't control, especially if those desires don't bring about a crime. Should whoever molests a child be arrested and punished? Absolutely.
.

All of this to the Nth degree.

Pedophile: Lover of children.

I LOVE children. Not just sexually, but emotionally. I want only the best for a child. I don't ever. EVER want a child to feel pain. If I could cure the diseases that kids get, the terminal ones, I would give my life to get that cure. I want children to grow up and be healthy.

Thats still insanely fucked up.

[Utopia-Heaven]

Oooh, you know what was actually way more traumatizing looking back?

9/11. That was the absolute worst morning ever. I knew nobody in the planes or towers, but my mom did, in fact if you watch the documentary of the one that crashed into a field, the gay guy who led them to fight back against the highjackers was a close friend of my mom's.

Imagine, your dad lightly shaking you awake and saying to you: Some... People have crashed an airplane into the world trade center. My first image was of the biplanes from the days of the red baron.

I went into their room to watch as a tower was burning. Then, to everyones shock.

HOLY MOTHERFUCKING CHRIST A SECOND PLANE CRASHED INTO THEM EVERYONE RUN WE'RE UNDER ATTACK.

I was forced to take a shower and get ready for my day at school. As I was washing my hair I heard my mother scream.

I stumbled out of the shower, naked and soapy, to find out one of the towers had just collapsed.

To me, this is a way more difficult thing to cope with, just from a reality standpoint. This was a severe psychological issue for me, for years to come.

And I know, NSG isn't my blog. Oh shut up.

[2nd PLT]

Wow...OK. PLT, I'm sure we're all sorry for what happened to your mother. Not that you really care about me saying that, I'm sure. No one is saying that people who were molested don't feel the aftereffects in the many forms they come in. In fact, I think we can all agree on the fact that people suffer a great many things after being abused in the many forms that abuse takes place.

I've known several people that were molested, some close friends of mine included. I don't think there's a single person here that will say that molesting children is OK. In fact, I'm fairly certain that most people who have admitted to liking children on this thread don't want to go through with their urges. I know how hard it is to deal with stuff like that too, it's part of the reason I studied psychology.

All I'm saying is that it makes very little sense to harm someone based on desires they can't control, especially if those desires don't bring about a crime. Should whoever molests a child be arrested and punished? Absolutely.

As for the scenario of someone walking up to another and having proof of them being a pedophile, I would say it depends of the proof. If it's just a piece of paparer expressing their attraction to children with their signature on it, I'd there is no crime. If it's a piece of child porn from their computer or worse, by all means arrest them. But up until the attempt or execution of the crime, there are no grounds to do anything to them. In fact, I'm fairly certain that if you did something to them based on their attraction, it may well be considered a hate crime.

I'll start with the fact My comment, while it did have a shotgun like effect, was directed against the guy I quoted.
As for my hypothetical, I had no kind of actual proof in mind, just damning evidence in general.
As for the castration of the close friend comment, If he was a close friend he would know where I stand on this, so if I didn't I'd be a hypocrite, like politicians, and I don't want to be like that.

Apparently my mom and my aunt were both molested, but that bastard (My mom's stepdad) took preference on my mom. Not to mention she told everyone and no one believed her, even her mom blamed her for it, like a bad cliche.
My whole view on pedophilia is it's biologically wrong, same with my view on Homosexuality, and even Inter-racial relationships. But how I was raised, and what I chose to believe after I gained sentience is that none of that matters in the face of love.
Pedo's aren't my enemy, Molesters and rapists are.
I just decide to make sure that Pedo's don't cross that line.
This is where I stand.

[Natapoc]

If you prefer the Freudian schtick

A sign that someone has not been updated on advancements in psychology since the 1950s or obtained all their understanding from popular media is when they start referencing Freudian psychology to try to indicate they know anything at all.

Freudian psychology is long debunked and not considered scientific by modern psychologists. I've read him. A very long time ago. He was mostly just a sexist moron who practiced something far from psychology but with the standards of the time were not very high so he is given a pass. (okay so perhaps I'm being a bit hard on him... Not by much though)

[2nd PLT]

If you prefer the Freudian schtick

A sign that someone has not been updated on advancements in psychology since the 1950s or obtained all their understanding from popular media is when they start referencing Freudian psychology to try to indicate they know anything at all.

Freudian psychology is long debunked and not considered scientific by modern psychologists. I've read him. A very long time ago. He was mostly just a sexist moron who practiced something far from psychology but with the standards of the time were not very high so he is given a pass. (okay so perhaps I'm being a bit hard on him... Not by much though)

Actually what he wrote and said and believed was right...During his time.
It no longer applies, and hasn't for many years.

[Des-Bal]

If you prefer the Freudian schtick

A sign that someone has not been updated on advancements in psychology since the 1950s or obtained all their understanding from popular media is when they start referencing Freudian psychology to try to indicate they know anything at all.

Freudian psychology is long debunked and not considered scientific by modern psychologists. I've read him. A very long time ago. He was mostly just a sexist moron who practiced something far from psychology but with the standards of the time were not very high so he is given a pass. (okay so perhaps I'm being a bit hard on him... Not by much though)

Freud might be a dumbass but he beats the hell out of alot of the bs you hear these days.