I'm probably going to alienate a lot of people but...

[Helertia]

I have read your description about yourself and In the spirit of not being angered by it. Why would you open this can of worms? I mean what good can come from this confession? I would suggest that you seek medical help to curb this sexual perversion. I am not comfortable with this issue, However, I must point out that children are never to be looked upon as a sexual beings. People who engauge children in this manner are criminals and must be punished severely. If you were conviced of such an offence, fellow prisoners would kill you in a most vile, disturbed pornographic manner. A good example would be Jeffery Daumer, he did not last long in prison and I am sure his death was extremely brutal. As for being gay, That is your business, who cares? Sooner or later you will wind up on the quilt, done and done.

Whyever he opened the tin, it's led to an interesting dicussion, which was probably his intention in the first place.

His intention(If I remember right) WAS to open up an interesting discussion.

Well, goodo then. Tally ho.

[Natapoc]

This is a hard answer to give.

Yes, I'm a pedophile.

I have some sexual interest in all sorts of people, with a preference for females over males at any age. I'm slightly preferential to people around my age of 45, as opposed to other adults, and my gender preference is less pronounced around my own age.

But the girls who attract me the most (to look at or to hear or to smell) are children of 5-10. Imagine a normal curve, with a peak at 7-8. At that age, I am sexually attracted to about 80% of girls, and 20% of boys. The next-highest peak on the age curve would be adults my own age, of whom I fancy maybe 10%. Between mid-puberty and adulthood, I'm not very interested at all. Babies and toddlers, no interest.

So yeah, my primary sexual attractions are to pre-pubescent girls. Which makes me a pedophile.

I've never molested a child, and with measurably reduced libido over the last few years I am certain I never will. It's quite a relief to be on the downside of that curve (I'm 45 btw). I never was a danger to children, in my opinion, but the internal conflict has been a drag, pretty much since my own puberty.

How many pedophiles does NS have on it?

You need to know the secret handshake to gain that information. And the secret handshake will make you one of us. Do you still want to know ?

This seems unusual somehow that so many admitted pedophiles would be on one forum.

I think the OP came here from some other forum, and Truth and Understanding (?) followed Person012345 from somewhere else. (Just how I read them) ... that thins the crowd somewhat.

Secret handshake? Oh! *runs away scared*

No my sexuality is probably the most boring of any of you. I'm heterosexual and like individuals very close to my own age.

I'm glad to hear that it seems there are so many pedophiles who have never acted on (and never will act on) their sexual urges with children. It demonstrates once again that people who violate others sexually have no excuse for hurting others and using ones sexuality as an excuse is not only a lie but harms others who share that sexual inclination but choose to not act in an immoral way. Immoral of course meaning: hurting others.

[Concordeia]

Anyone else want to address the points I made earlier? This is probably the last I'm gonna be posting on this thread for a while.

[2nd PLT]

Anyone else want to address the points I made earlier? This is probably the last I'm gonna be posting on this thread for a while.

I'll address them.
What are they?

[Concordeia]

First post I made is on Page 62, and there's a follow up on Page 67 (sorry, I've just taken two tests today and I feel a little too brain-fried at the moment to repeat everything I said. )

[2nd PLT]

First post I made is on Page 62, and there's a follow up on Page 67 (sorry, I've just taken two tests today and I feel a little too brain-fried at the moment to repeat everything I said. )

So you are gonna make ME look for them? But I'm too lazy.
*sigh* Alright I'll check them out.

[2nd PLT]

Okay, I'll bite and play devil's advocate for a bit. Besides, I think that this issue needs to be expanded upon a bit.

The whole sticking point about pedophilia

Hey, I've read that one! Macbeth isn't it? "Screw your cousin to the sticking place" hehem. Pardon me ...

is that children, specifically prepubescents, are not physically nor psychologically adapted for sex and that any sexual activity between adults and children would constitute as exploitation on the adult's part. The problem I see with this argument is that children are regularly dependent on adults (parents, teachers and the like) to care for them and give them guidance, and in many cases they are compelled to do things that they might otherwise not agree to, such as school work, house chores, hygiene, and even food selection. Now obviously these examples are important functions in a child's development, so a degree of authority is legitimate in these issues.

Right. The parent compels the child to do various things for the child's own good.
The parent also compels the child to do things for the parent's good. "Be quiet!" for instance.
What can the child compel the parent to do? It varies I guess.

But what about when parents pressure their kids to participate in religious activities, join a sports team, or listen to their political beliefs? These things, too, have their own risks can also affects on a child's life significantly, and you can't tell me that all adults make children do these things only for the childrens' benefit.

If the parents are pressuring the child to do something that benefits only the parent, then I object. Acting in movies, for instance, and the parents living off the income.
But religious activities, sports and so on ... no, what reason is there to think the parents don't think they'll be good for the child ? Save their soul, or build them up so they defend themselves, or learn to nod and ask leading questions while not actually listening .. all these could be in some parent's view "for the child's benefit"

Now, clearly prepubescents are not yet adapted for full intercourse, and engaging in such activity is almost certain to result in severe physical injury, so that's out of the question. But then, the majority of child sexual abuse cases involve non-invasive sexual intimacy, which, at least in my view, carries far fewer consequences than full on sex. Plus, not all sex is about reproduction or permanent mating. It is also a recreational activity and a social bonding activity.

Good point that sexual activity need not involve penetration. "Severe physical injury" is not certain even if it does, and also consider the reverse-gender scenario, which does happen. Some boys can get an erection from a young age ... and some other generalizations there.

What makes a sexual encounter different from the other things you mention a parent can compel a child to do, without causing it harm, is the question of motive. I note you are trying to focus on the effects on the child which is a valid perspective. (With the adult perpetrator presumably in the role of a parent?) But the parents motives for getting the child to play a role in a sex-game are something the child will wonder about. Is it something the child has to do for their own good, or is it one of those duty things like chores, or is it for the good of the parent?

I'm exhausted ... if you can add anything to that go ahead.

Taking this into account, I don't think it's reasonable to assume that sexual intimacy in and of itself is inherently harmful. There's still the potential for adult's to coerce kids into such activity, which I DO agree with. But if this is the case, then why are adults allowed to compel kids into other non-critical activities, as mentioned above? Do these not carry the risk of a child growing up with a bias against people of other faiths or political beliefs? What about the risk of receiving a severe or life-threatening injury while playing in sports?

The last point is new, but I dealt with the point above.

Presumably the parent considers the likely enjoyment and health benefits a fair trade for the risk in sports.
Anyway, plenty of kids are self-motivated when it comes to sport. It must be a dilemma for parents when their kid gets interested in a dangerous sport.

Perhaps political beliefs are a better line of argument. A racist or a homophobe probably considers their child growing up biased against some people a good thing not a risk.

I am NOT saying there are not interpersonal risks involved in such adult-child relationships or that age-of-consent laws should just be changed willy-nilly. Nor am I saying that parents should never be allowed to take their kids to church or sports. My point is that I think current society has a double-standard when it comes to sexuality and adult involvement in children's personal activities. Thoughts?

I'm really tired. I'm not interested in changing the law, nor in talking about laws. The double-standard ? There's a few of them in the typical parent/child relationship, hmm ?

This is probably an incoherent post, but if any part of it is rude it wasn't meant to be. Sorry about the joke.

No problem about the joke part, though I haven't read Macbeth yet, so I didn't really get it.

The thing is, with activities like sports and religion and such, there are gonna be kids who want to participate and others who want to have no part of it. I don't like going to church, yet my parents have made me attend it for years (even though I'm an agnostic), and they still do (though they aren't the hardcore conservative types, thank Go-...oodness). So I definitely feel that my consent has been ignored in favor of what my parents believe is the greater good of religious development. I don't feel mentally damaged by it or anything, just pissed off. Then again, that's just me. There are many kids who enjoy being religiously observant, so there is variance on the outcomes. There is also variance in the adult's motive and the degree to which they will pressure kids to do these things; some really do think it's "good fo da kids", as Mr. T would say, while others simply want the child to conform to their own beliefs out of egotism.

So, putting aside social/cultural mores for a moment, if we apply the same conditions from the aforementioned religious activities and apply them to non-invasive sexual intimacy between adults and children as a recreational/bonding activity, what makes the latter MORE exploitative or harmful than the former?

Well I will start with Incest. The worst type of Incest at that, Parent Child. (I'm personally a fan of cousins or siblings) But that aside, I don't agree with making anyone do something they don't want to do, "For their own good" I'm completely against it for all reasons and in all forms.
Whether sports, religion, or "Non-Invasive Sexual Intimacy"
And that last one sticks even if the "Trainer" is unrelated to the child.

[Concordeia]

Yeah, I get that part, but I'm talking about in those instances where the child DOES wish to participate in such activity. Why is it that sexual intimacy (not full intercourse) with adults is so much more "bad" than religion and sports?

[Person012345]

Also, I did have suspicions about hobo a bit back.

"A bit back" eh ? Perhaps you would be so kind as to TG the name of the nation you used then ...

Uh... by a bit, I don't mean a lot. It was basically the first one or two posts I saw of yours, basically on the same day I started (this nation). I don't even know why, I just did.

And I have no connection to truth and acceptance, or the OP. I just saw the title and immediately knew what it was going to be. Maybe I just have well honed... What's the pedo equivilent of gaydar? heh.

[2nd PLT]

Yeah, I get that part, but I'm talking about in those instances where the child DOES wish to participate in such activity. Why is it that sexual intimacy (not full intercourse) with adults is so much more "bad" than religion and sports?

Because Emperor Constantine of the Romans declared it so many years ago!
Seriously though, It's the same reason that people want to get married, and all that other normal conservative stuff.
Normal to me is a subjective word.
I mean, what makes the Jock and the Prep more "Normal" than the Nerd and the Otaku?
What makes the Straight man more normal than the gay man?
The Pedo than the (I still don't have a word for this)?
I actually have answers for the last 2 but they still help me make my point.
"Normal" is just one way of doing things.
I suddenly feel this is partly off topic, yet still fits here.

[Person012345]

Yeah, I get that part, but I'm talking about in those instances where the child DOES wish to participate in such activity. Why is it that sexual intimacy (not full intercourse) with adults is so much more "bad" than religion and sports?

I believe I made this exact same point. I forgot what the answer was though, sorry. I don't think it convinced me even if it was an actual answer.

[Sunsader]

Someone please kill the pedos :S

[Person012345]

Someone please kill the pedos :S

Why?

Edit: To those of you asking "why would it alienate people" This is the type of attitude.

[The Golden Dragonfly]

Everyone is patting these paedophiles on the back because they claim to 'only look, not touch'

Anyone wonder if that 'looking', includes child pornography? I'd hate to learn whats on their hard drive.

I suppose all of you uber-tolerant bleeding hearts would be cool with that as well?

[2nd PLT]

Someone please kill the pedos :S

That's either called trolling or flaming (I don't know which)
Not to mention, the police can use these as evidence.
Keep such things in your own head.

[Person012345]

This is a hard answer to give.

Yes, I'm a pedophile.

I have some sexual interest in all sorts of people, with a preference for females over males at any age. I'm slightly preferential to people around my age of 45, as opposed to other adults, and my gender preference is less pronounced around my own age.

But the girls who attract me the most (to look at or to hear or to smell) are children of 5-10. Imagine a normal curve, with a peak at 7-8. At that age, I am sexually attracted to about 80% of girls, and 20% of boys. The next-highest peak on the age curve would be adults my own age, of whom I fancy maybe 10%. Between mid-puberty and adulthood, I'm not very interested at all. Babies and toddlers, no interest.

So yeah, my primary sexual attractions are to pre-pubescent girls. Which makes me a pedophile.

I've never molested a child, and with measurably reduced libido over the last few years I am certain I never will. It's quite a relief to be on the downside of that curve (I'm 45 btw). I never was a danger to children, in my opinion, but the internal conflict has been a drag, pretty much since my own puberty.

How many pedophiles does NS have on it?

You need to know the secret handshake to gain that information. And the secret handshake will make you one of us. Do you still want to know ?

This seems unusual somehow that so many admitted pedophiles would be on one forum.

I think the OP came here from some other forum, and Truth and Understanding (?) followed Person012345 from somewhere else. (Just how I read them) ... that thins the crowd somewhat.

Secret handshake? Oh! *runs away scared*

No my sexuality is probably the most boring of any of you. I'm heterosexual and like individuals very close to my own age.

I'm glad to hear that it seems there are so many pedophiles who have never acted on (and never will act on) their sexual urges with children. It demonstrates once again that people who violate others sexually have no excuse for hurting others and using ones sexuality as an excuse is not only a lie but harms others who share that sexual inclination but choose to not act in an immoral way. Immoral of course meaning: hurting others.

A lot of people don't understand. A rapist is a bad person, whether they are a paedophile, straight, gay, whatever. But the majority of all categories are not rapists.

[Person012345]

Everyone is patting these paedophiles on the back because they claim to 'only look, not touch'

Anyone wonder if that 'looking', includes child pornography? I'd hate to learn whats on their hard drive.

I suppose all of you uber-tolerant bleeding hearts would be cool with that as well?

I've already stated, I do not watch child pornography as it is immoral to support the people who make it. Even just giving them views is supporting.

[Person012345]

Someone please kill the pedos :S

That's either called trolling or flaming (I don't know which)
Not to mention, the police can use these as evidence.
Keep such things in your own head.

If it's his opinion I guess he should be allowed to post it. Though I think he only really should if he wishes to eplain his position, rather than just saying things like that.

[Sunsader]

Someone please kill the pedos :S

That's either called trolling or flaming (I don't know which)
Not to mention, the police can use these as evidence.
Keep such things in your own head.

If it's his opinion I guess he should be allowed to post it. Though I think he only really should if he wishes to eplain his position, rather than just saying things like that.

My opinion is that pedophiles shouldn't be allowed to live, if this makes me a heartless bastard, then I'm very proud of being a heartless bastard.

[The Golden Dragonfly]

Everyone is patting these paedophiles on the back because they claim to 'only look, not touch'

Anyone wonder if that 'looking', includes child pornography? I'd hate to learn whats on their hard drive.

I suppose all of you uber-tolerant bleeding hearts would be cool with that as well?

I've already stated, I do not watch child pornography as it is immoral to support the people who make it. Even just giving them views is supporting.

don't believe you.

you're so comfortable with these urges, you're not even trying to fight or suppress them.

[Person012345]

Someone please kill the pedos :S

That's either called trolling or flaming (I don't know which)
Not to mention, the police can use these as evidence.
Keep such things in your own head.

If it's his opinion I guess he should be allowed to post it. Though I think he only really should if he wishes to eplain his position, rather than just saying things like that.

My opinion is that pedophiles shouldn't be allowed to live, if this makes me a heartless bastard, then I'm very proud of being a heartless bastard.

But WHY? Why paedophiles as opposed to homosexuals or heterosexuals or any other category. Why do you believe we should be put to death over any other group?

[Sunsader]

Someone please kill the pedos :S

That's either called trolling or flaming (I don't know which)
Not to mention, the police can use these as evidence.
Keep such things in your own head.

If it's his opinion I guess he should be allowed to post it. Though I think he only really should if he wishes to eplain his position, rather than just saying things like that.

My opinion is that pedophiles shouldn't be allowed to live, if this makes me a heartless bastard, then I'm very proud of being a heartless bastard.

But WHY? Why paedophiles as opposed to homosexuals or heterosexuals or any other category. Why do you believe we should be put to death over any other group?

Paedophilia is WRONG, it has always been wrong and will always be wrong.
It's for the best of all if pedophiles just, cease to exist.

[2nd PLT]

Everyone is patting these paedophiles on the back because they claim to 'only look, not touch'
Anyone wonder if that 'looking', includes child pornography? I'd hate to learn whats on their hard drive.
I suppose all of you uber-tolerant bleeding hearts would be cool with that as well?

Nein, Nyet, īe, Mattaku, Fǒu and no in every other language I can think in as well.
Think about it. Can we be sure that any of us is who we say we are?
Using a word I've already used 6 times on this one post, NO! Actually I've only said no 5 times, one of those was "Not at all"
Besides, haven't you ever heard of, "Keep your friends close and your enemies closer?"

[Person012345]

Everyone is patting these paedophiles on the back because they claim to 'only look, not touch'

Anyone wonder if that 'looking', includes child pornography? I'd hate to learn whats on their hard drive.

I suppose all of you uber-tolerant bleeding hearts would be cool with that as well?

I've already stated, I do not watch child pornography as it is immoral to support the people who make it. Even just giving them views is supporting.

don't believe you.

you're so comfortable with these urges, you're not even trying to fight or suppress them.

1. I have seen 2 items of child pornography in my life. Both of them I came accross accidentally (as evidenced by the fact that they both involved male children, not what I'm into). I won't describe them for obvious reasons. I refuse to find and download child pornography because it would be supporting what the people do. I have a problem with other people doing it too, though I'm not bothered if it's CP that was made just because the maker wanted to make it. Since it's not a business and you aren't supporting anyone through it, but I avoid it myself. I could download very safely, so it's not the law I'm afraid of, I just don't wish to contribute to the harm of children.
2. I have met plenty of non-paedophiles who download and watch CP for the pure fact that it's illegal, and that gives them a kick. It disgusts me that they don't even have the same sort of desires I and other paedos do, but can't control themselves enough not to support child abuse. It does make me wonder what they might do in the future sometimes. With paedos it's their only source of real enjoyment so I can understand why they do it and it doesn't make me think they will offend

No I do not supress my desires, why should I? Everything that happens between me and a child happens in my head and that alone gives me pleasure. I do not, however much I would enjoy it, feel that it is right to watch CP. I do have a peice of drawn "child pornography" but that hurts no-one, and was just some image I came accross on the internet.

[The Golden Dragonfly]

what was the greatest emotional trauma you ever experienced in your life? how old were you? how did that experience make you feel at the time? Please be honest (to us and to yourself)