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Postby Natapoc » Fri Mar 12, 2010 2:25 am

Utopia-Heaven wrote:>.> Well, yeah, a little. I'm trying to point out where there may be further info. >.>

And for someone with Anarchy in a heart and power to the people fists, you're kind of.... Not so liberal-e. You're kind of... Negative-e.


Would you like to elaborate?

Sorry It just sometimes seems when people repost links to their blog several times that they are attempting to use the nationstates forum to boost their Google page rank which in turn increases their sites visibility and gains ad money. The fact that you did so without much commentary is what makes it suspicious.
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Postby Utopia-Heaven » Fri Mar 12, 2010 2:27 am

Person, I changed the settings, you can now be anon.

Natapoc, the 2nd time I posted it was actually an accident, I thought I had a quote on my copy board, I didn't. I posted without looking. I'm doing 30 different things.
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Postby Person012345 » Fri Mar 12, 2010 2:29 am

Utopia-Heaven wrote:Person, I changed the settings, you can now be anon.

Natapoc, the 2nd time I posted it was actually an accident, I thought I had a quote on my copy board, I didn't. I posted without looking. I'm doing 30 different things.

Thanks. If I seem dumb I have been on all night. No sleep.

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Postby Person012345 » Fri Mar 12, 2010 2:34 am

Ok, I posted something, not much but all I could really come up with at the moment.

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Postby Natapoc » Fri Mar 12, 2010 2:40 am

Utopia-Heaven wrote:Person, I changed the settings, you can now be anon.

Natapoc, the 2nd time I posted it was actually an accident, I thought I had a quote on my copy board, I didn't. I posted without looking. I'm doing 30 different things.


You know Utopia-Heaven, you may not actually be a pedophile. I'm not saying you are not but if you are really 17 then you may not want to be so quick to label yourself as one.

Being 17 you are of course attracted sexually to people "under age" since you are still "under age" (in some places) yourself. I'm not sure it makes sense for a 17 year old to be labeled as a pedophile since your sexuality is still developing and you yourself are hardly mature. There is a very real possibility you will be attracted to people who are just slightly younger then you as you age (for example when you are 40 you may be attracted to 30 year old males) instead of being the classic pedophile who is 50 and attracted to 12 year old males.

Just something to think about. Did you label yourself as a pedophile or did you get labeled that by someone else?
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Postby Utopia-Heaven » Fri Mar 12, 2010 2:42 am

Natapoc wrote:
Utopia-Heaven wrote:Person, I changed the settings, you can now be anon.

Natapoc, the 2nd time I posted it was actually an accident, I thought I had a quote on my copy board, I didn't. I posted without looking. I'm doing 30 different things.


You know Utopia-Heaven, you may not actually be a pedophile. I'm not saying you are not but if you are really 17 then you may not want to be so quick to label yourself as one.

Being 17 you are of course attracted sexually to people "under age" since you are still "under age" (in some places) yourself. I'm not sure it makes sense for a 17 year old to be labeled as a pedophile since your sexuality is still developing and you yourself are hardly mature. There is a very real possibility you will be attracted to people who are just slightly younger then you as you age (for example when you are 40 you may be attracted to 30 year old males) instead of being the classic pedophile who is 50 and attracted to 12 year old males.

Just something to think about. Did you label yourself as a pedophile or did you get labeled that by someone else?


I labeled myself that. >.> Dude, I like 7 year olds. Thats not the same thing as being 40 and like 30 year olds.
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Postby The Parkus Empire » Fri Mar 12, 2010 2:42 am

Utopia-Heaven wrote:My blog opener, since none of you will VISIT IT.

For those among us in society who believe that people have the right to love who they love, no matter what the age. Our aim isn't to display sexually explicit pictures or allow others to access porn. This is merely to explain who we pedophiles are, and why we aren't as the media claims we are. Please no flaming.

The welcome message:
Welcome!
As stated, we are here for one purpose: to allow for the integration of pedophiles into normal society.

Now this may seem ridiculous, the whole reason you are so scared for your kids is because they are already out there. However, they are, for the most part, in hiding.

For many years the LGBT has faced similar discrimination because they were misunderstood, however we feel that pedophiles do not have equal representation.

We thrive on the motto: Look, Don't Touch.

We do not condone child pornography or any sort of violation of laws or legal rights, and we definitely do no support rape, kidnapping, or murder. Any of these acts is a separate thing from our movement.

Thank you!


The disclaimer:
Any opinions stated here are opinions and as such are protected by the First Amendment. Anyone who is found to be flaming, posting rude threads, will have their comments removed. Anyone linking to pornography, legal or illegal, will be deleted. I am not a member of NAMBLA or any other pedophile group, I speak for myself and the pedophiles who agree with me. I do not advocate any sort of pornography. Any links that are located on this page will be one of two things: A pro-pedophile news-piece or a link to a support group/therapy/assistance.

Anyone who has serious thoughts about performing sexual acts on a minor is advised to seek help. Please help keep our reputation from sinking any lower. If you have knowledge of child pornography or of an active sexual predator we would like to think you would report it to the police. In that spirit, enjoy the blog and help us reach for the sun.


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Postby Person012345 » Fri Mar 12, 2010 2:46 am

Natapoc wrote:
Utopia-Heaven wrote:Person, I changed the settings, you can now be anon.

Natapoc, the 2nd time I posted it was actually an accident, I thought I had a quote on my copy board, I didn't. I posted without looking. I'm doing 30 different things.


You know Utopia-Heaven, you may not actually be a pedophile. I'm not saying you are not but if you are really 17 then you may not want to be so quick to label yourself as one.

Being 17 you are of course attracted sexually to people "under age" since you are still "under age" (in some places) yourself. I'm not sure it makes sense for a 17 year old to be labeled as a pedophile since your sexuality is still developing and you yourself are hardly mature. There is a very real possibility you will be attracted to people who are just slightly younger then you as you age (for example when you are 40 you may be attracted to 30 year old males) instead of being the classic pedophile who is 50 and attracted to 12 year old males.

Just something to think about. Did you label yourself as a pedophile or did you get labeled that by someone else?

This logic is shaky to say the least. There is a lot of difference between a 17yr old and a 7yr old. Or whatever ages he is interested in. In terms of development. What we find attractive is what we find attractive. It is possible he will grow out of it, but he's still a pedo right now. and it's not because he likes girls Xyears younger than him. It doesn't really work that way, because of the level of difference between a 7 yr old and a 30yr old.

Edit: revised age to 7.
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Postby Utopia-Heaven » Fri Mar 12, 2010 2:48 am

Sorry Parkusss. I also haven't slept much. >.<

It's just quiet around here, so I was talking to Person.
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Postby The Parkus Empire » Fri Mar 12, 2010 2:49 am

Go to sleep, then.
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Postby Natapoc » Fri Mar 12, 2010 2:50 am

Person012345 wrote:
Natapoc wrote:
Utopia-Heaven wrote:Person, I changed the settings, you can now be anon.

Natapoc, the 2nd time I posted it was actually an accident, I thought I had a quote on my copy board, I didn't. I posted without looking. I'm doing 30 different things.


You know Utopia-Heaven, you may not actually be a pedophile. I'm not saying you are not but if you are really 17 then you may not want to be so quick to label yourself as one.

Being 17 you are of course attracted sexually to people "under age" since you are still "under age" (in some places) yourself. I'm not sure it makes sense for a 17 year old to be labeled as a pedophile since your sexuality is still developing and you yourself are hardly mature. There is a very real possibility you will be attracted to people who are just slightly younger then you as you age (for example when you are 40 you may be attracted to 30 year old males) instead of being the classic pedophile who is 50 and attracted to 12 year old males.

Just something to think about. Did you label yourself as a pedophile or did you get labeled that by someone else?

This logic is shaky to say the least. There is a lot of difference between a 17yr old and (did you say you went down to this low utopia?) a 5yr old. Or whatever ages he is interested in. In terms of development. What we find attractive is what we find attractive. It is possible he will grow out of it, but he's still a pedo right now. and it's not because he likes girls Xyears younger than him. It doesn't really work that way, because of the level of difference between a 5 yr old and a 30yr old.



The age group people find attractive change as they themselves get older. This is in contrast to the gender people like which tends to not change.

I'm not convinced that the mechanism which causes standard homosexual and heterosexual attraction is the same as the one that causes pedophilic attraction.

For example one reason he may be sexually attracted to 7 year olds at 17 is that he is sexually (on a psychological level) still around 10 himself.
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Postby Person012345 » Fri Mar 12, 2010 2:52 am

Natapoc wrote:
Person012345 wrote:
Natapoc wrote:
Utopia-Heaven wrote:Person, I changed the settings, you can now be anon.

Natapoc, the 2nd time I posted it was actually an accident, I thought I had a quote on my copy board, I didn't. I posted without looking. I'm doing 30 different things.


You know Utopia-Heaven, you may not actually be a pedophile. I'm not saying you are not but if you are really 17 then you may not want to be so quick to label yourself as one.

Being 17 you are of course attracted sexually to people "under age" since you are still "under age" (in some places) yourself. I'm not sure it makes sense for a 17 year old to be labeled as a pedophile since your sexuality is still developing and you yourself are hardly mature. There is a very real possibility you will be attracted to people who are just slightly younger then you as you age (for example when you are 40 you may be attracted to 30 year old males) instead of being the classic pedophile who is 50 and attracted to 12 year old males.

Just something to think about. Did you label yourself as a pedophile or did you get labeled that by someone else?

This logic is shaky to say the least. There is a lot of difference between a 17yr old and (did you say you went down to this low utopia?) a 5yr old. Or whatever ages he is interested in. In terms of development. What we find attractive is what we find attractive. It is possible he will grow out of it, but he's still a pedo right now. and it's not because he likes girls Xyears younger than him. It doesn't really work that way, because of the level of difference between a 5 yr old and a 30yr old.



The age group people find attractive change as they themselves get older. This is in contrast to the gender people like which tends to not change.

I'm not convinced that the mechanism which causes standard homosexual and heterosexual attraction is the same as the one that causes pedophilic attraction.

For example one reason he may be sexually attracted to 7 year olds at 17 is that he is sexually (on a psychological level) still around 10 himself.

He may grow out of it as I said, but I don't know many cases of that happening, especially at his age. I have gotten MORE exclusive and my age range has revised down as I've aged (for his age to my age of 20 for example, but even from like 15 - 17 it was happening). Some of us are just built that way.
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Postby Person012345 » Fri Mar 12, 2010 2:56 am

Anyway, I'm off. cya.

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Postby Cyber Utopia » Fri Mar 12, 2010 3:05 am

Grainne Ni Malley wrote:
Cyber Utopia wrote:I have a question for the "Childlovers".

If you had a young child, between the age of 5 and 12, and an adult between the age of 18 and 40 asked you if they could have a relationship with your child because they were in love, what would be your response?

Also, a second question: If you were told your child had consented to sexual contact with said adult, what would be your response?

It's all very well to say you love children, and think you should be free to gaze upon them, but if you were a parent and you knew that an adult was looking at your child in lust, your opinion would change.

I accept that you do not act upon your urges, but I for one would be immensly angry if I suspected that an adult was sexually attracted to my child. I'd want blood.


1. My response would be "Hell no!" as any sensible parent would not want psychological damage done to their children by immersing them in a situation they are not mature enough to understand and cope with yet.

2. Anger at the adult for taking advantage of a child without enough maturity to full comprehend the situation. Possibly murder because I know first-hand how damaging it can be to the child when sexual desires are acted out upon said child. Definitely counseling help for my child.

3. I don't personally feel free to do so. It just happens. For example (I will keep it tame), some parents will dress their little girls in a mini skirt, little hooker boots and a tube top. Clothing that I feel is more suited for a much older person and would never dress my own daughter in were I to have one. If a child dressed this way crosses my line of vision, my brain automatically and against my will goes to a place I would prefer it does not. So, I immediately turn away (slightly disgusted both with the parents and myself) and focus my mind on something else... and continue with my day as usual.

We have self-control, believe it or not. Not all pedophiles are proud of being that way. I wouldn't personally term myself as a "child-lover" or whatever. I love my son as any "normal" mother would and that's about as close as I get to loving children.


Thats the kind of answer I was looking for :)
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Postby Nobel Hobos » Fri Mar 12, 2010 4:29 am

Utopia-Heaven wrote:Oops, yes, it's my blog Hobo. Didn't see your question.


Secret invisible post, not even mod can see. Actually, it's still in my browser. I lost it in all the tabs and never posted it. :oops:

It's just pedo acceptance. There are no pictures, it encourages psychological care, and acceptance, etc.


I read the first page or so. Kinda meh, though if the author was on here I'd ask them questions. It's on blogspot, I'm quite content calling it a blog. And with all due respect to the intention to rehabilitate "pedophile" as a word, "pedofriends" isn't a great name even for a blog, and "look, don't touch" is fraught, you can do harm with a look ...

Oh, it's yours. Oops. Do you welcome suggestions (TG or some other means you could suggest by TG).

If you personally want acceptance, and to "come out" in RL, I suggest you leave it a few years. Attitudes are changing, but you know they could change back. But more importantly: the more social skills in non-sexual contexts you have developed, oh and personal qualities, and the knowledge or skills to be interesting or useful to others, the better you will be accepted despite being a pedophile.

Some people will accept you as a pedophile, but there are going to be a LOT whose acceptance you will have to win some other way, or else they'll be enemies. (And you'll have enough enemies). They will accept you despite you being a pedophile, if they like you and trust you in non-sexual ways.

Yes, it IS a compromise with foul prejudice, but it's necessary. For your safety, and your work prospects, and the kind of friends you can keep. Don't be a martyr for pedophiles ... be a hero for them. Excel in some field unrelated to children, and cultivate the personal qualities which benefit others (honesty among them, but not to the extent of answering every question: protect your privacy. That particular questionn: say you are celibate or asexual, they're both ways of saying "none of your business"). GIve people as many other reasons to like you as you can, before exposing yourself to their irrational hate.

And, go with women, or men (you said 80% het?) ... don't let the perfect be the enemy of the good ... pleasing a partner is a reward in itself, and if you feel anything better than indifferent to another adult don't miss the chance.

I hope my advice does not offend. I just want you to be safe. Don't rely on bravery, for what can be done with wit. FIrstly do no harm, and costly they habit as your purse can bear ..

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Postby Nobel Hobos » Fri Mar 12, 2010 4:51 am

Utopia-Heaven wrote:Sorry Parkusss. I also haven't slept much. >.<

It's just quiet around here, so I was talking to Person.


Quiet ? QUIET ! Where you raised by pigeons in the flaps of 747 ?

This is a thread with your provocative Original Post at top of it. There are literally hundreds of replies TO YOU which you could take up, and haven't.

You're barely more than a stalking-horse for Person012345. Pers5 has made the arguments you wanted to make.

If it's "quiet" that would be because you passed out from the altitude.

It is possible to be a horse, and to fly, and to be trained by a pigeon to roast insects in the jet-exhaust.
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Postby Nobel Hobos » Fri Mar 12, 2010 5:01 am

Natapoc wrote:
Person012345 wrote:
Natapoc wrote:
Utopia-Heaven wrote:Person, I changed the settings, you can now be anon.

Natapoc, the 2nd time I posted it was actually an accident, I thought I had a quote on my copy board, I didn't. I posted without looking. I'm doing 30 different things.


You know Utopia-Heaven, you may not actually be a pedophile. I'm not saying you are not but if you are really 17 then you may not want to be so quick to label yourself as one.

Being 17 you are of course attracted sexually to people "under age" since you are still "under age" (in some places) yourself. I'm not sure it makes sense for a 17 year old to be labeled as a pedophile since your sexuality is still developing and you yourself are hardly mature. There is a very real possibility you will be attracted to people who are just slightly younger then you as you age (for example when you are 40 you may be attracted to 30 year old males) instead of being the classic pedophile who is 50 and attracted to 12 year old males.

Just something to think about. Did you label yourself as a pedophile or did you get labeled that by someone else?

This logic is shaky to say the least. There is a lot of difference between a 17yr old and (did you say you went down to this low utopia?) a 5yr old. Or whatever ages he is interested in. In terms of development. What we find attractive is what we find attractive. It is possible he will grow out of it, but he's still a pedo right now. and it's not because he likes girls Xyears younger than him. It doesn't really work that way, because of the level of difference between a 5 yr old and a 30yr old.



The age group people find attractive change as they themselves get older. This is in contrast to the gender people like which tends to not change.

I'm not convinced that the mechanism which causes standard homosexual and heterosexual attraction is the same as the one that causes pedophilic attraction.


It's not the same mechanism for all pedophiles. (An open question there: is it the same mechanism for all gays ? Or for all straights ?)

It's probably a mixture of motivations in all cases.
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Postby Grandtaria » Fri Mar 12, 2010 5:06 am

Utopia-Heaven wrote:I'll list what I am in other languages before I tell you in english, and then I want you all to ACTUALLY listen to what I say before you judge.

German: Schwule Kinderlieben
French: Gai enfant amant
Spanish: Maricono amante de los niños

Anyone who actually speaks that language, feel free to tell me how badly I messed those up.

English: Gay child lover.

Now before you spout off hate, let me explain.

First, I'm not 100% gay. I just couldn't find bisexual in the translator. Second, I have never, and unless it becomes legal, will never touch a child in a sexual manner.

I am attracted to boys the ages of 5 and up. Now most of you will probably think that that is both gross and creepy. Another list will help: First, I'm 17. I don't care if you believe me or not, I'm 17 years old and a proud boylover. Second, I do not have any kind of child pornography, nor will I ever, I might like penis, but I don't like being raped by a guy named Bubba in jail. Thirdly, I would NEVER hurt a child in a physical, sexual, or mental way. For the same reasons as number 2.

I agree with most of you! Anyone who rapes or hurts or murders a child deserves to be dismembered in a painful and brutal way with dull instruments so as to increase the pain. But I am not a rapist, an abuser, or a murder. All I am is a guy, who likes other guys, and has a thing for little boys. I do not act on my urges. So please only constructive comments! I didn't do this to troll or cause flaming, I just want an open freaking dialogue with people who aren't childlovers.


Thank you.


While I am... Unhappy with thoese life style choices... It takes some real courage to stand up and admit it... And for that alone you deserve quite abit of praise... Again however I cant condone your choice... Live well with your life style..
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Postby Nobel Hobos » Fri Mar 12, 2010 5:13 am

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Utopia-Heaven wrote:>.< Dude, it's just the blog I added. There are no pictures, I emphasize getting psychological help, etc.

Is it like the thing I suggested?
That League of Child Lovers?
Good for you :D
But still, as far as I'm concerned, the FBI could be watching this closely and I have 3 underage girls TGing me.
I'm in a very dangerous situation. I'm not interested in doing anything that could tip this balance.


Three? They must think you're an easy mark.

All I ever got was Karsol, who tried to persuade me he was 19, and that he just pretends to be an early-teen in various incarnations, for his own gratification. I was like "fool me once, that's just kidding, but don't fool me I mean you can't fool me I mean what I'm saying is ... uh, what was the question again?"

I play it safe. No more TG's (or other private communications) and on the forum I will treat Karsol as a cute dalmatian puppy. I might scratch it behind the ears, but no bad touch. Uh uh.
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Postby The Golden Dragonfly » Fri Mar 12, 2010 5:18 am

I read the first couple of pages, skipped the other 64, apols if this has already been covered:

To the OP: The fact that your homosexual and paedophilia urges occurred so early in your sexual development suggests to me that you may yourself have been sexually molested at a young age, perhaps by a family member.

Want to talk about that?

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Postby Nobel Hobos » Fri Mar 12, 2010 5:25 am

Grandtaria wrote:
Utopia-Heaven wrote:I'll list what I am in other languages before I tell you in english, and then I want you all to ACTUALLY listen to what I say before you judge.

German: Schwule Kinderlieben
French: Gai enfant amant
Spanish: Maricono amante de los niños

Anyone who actually speaks that language, feel free to tell me how badly I messed those up.

English: Gay child lover.

Now before you spout off hate, let me explain.

First, I'm not 100% gay. I just couldn't find bisexual in the translator. Second, I have never, and unless it becomes legal, will never touch a child in a sexual manner.

I am attracted to boys the ages of 5 and up. Now most of you will probably think that that is both gross and creepy. Another list will help: First, I'm 17. I don't care if you believe me or not, I'm 17 years old and a proud boylover. Second, I do not have any kind of child pornography, nor will I ever, I might like penis, but I don't like being raped by a guy named Bubba in jail. Thirdly, I would NEVER hurt a child in a physical, sexual, or mental way. For the same reasons as number 2.

I agree with most of you! Anyone who rapes or hurts or murders a child deserves to be dismembered in a painful and brutal way with dull instruments so as to increase the pain. But I am not a rapist, an abuser, or a murder. All I am is a guy, who likes other guys, and has a thing for little boys. I do not act on my urges. So please only constructive comments! I didn't do this to troll or cause flaming, I just want an open freaking dialogue with people who aren't childlovers.

Thank you.


While I am... Unhappy with thoese life style choices... It takes some real courage to stand up and admit it... And for that alone you deserve quite abit of praise... Again however I cant condone your choice... Live well with your life style..


It's not by choice. What is a "llfestyle" anyway? You don't respect my courage, and that's racist because my Courage is just as good but Dutch, and yes praise ... again, it's not a choice ... and again, what is a life style ?
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Postby Nobel Hobos » Fri Mar 12, 2010 5:34 am

The Golden Dragonfly wrote:I read the first couple of pages, skipped the other 64, apols if this has already been covered:

To the OP: The fact that your homosexual and paedophilia urges occurred so early in your sexual development suggests to me that you may yourself have been sexually molested at a young age, perhaps by a family member.

Want to talk about that?


In private might be better ... in private, with a professional.

I will say that my own urges were quite evident to me in childhood. I don't mean teenage, I mean pre-puberty. I was not molested.

I should stop answering posts addressed to others. Just let me repeat: not all pedophilia has the same cause. Not all cases have single cause. It is probably much the same for other -philias.

In my own case, I think the major cause was incidents of sexual and romantic love, with other children, when I was a child. Loosely, I decided "it won't ever get better than this" and formed my image of the Beatutiful Other on those girls involved.

Perhaps I'm lucky, compared to other pedophiles. At least I'm not repeating childhood experiences (with roles reversed). I think that would be harder to apply rational decisions to, perhaps harder to resist, than what I've got.
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Postby Natapoc » Fri Mar 12, 2010 5:38 am

Nobel Hobos wrote:
The Golden Dragonfly wrote:I read the first couple of pages, skipped the other 64, apols if this has already been covered:

To the OP: The fact that your homosexual and paedophilia urges occurred so early in your sexual development suggests to me that you may yourself have been sexually molested at a young age, perhaps by a family member.

Want to talk about that?


In private might be better ... in private, with a professional.

I will say that my own urges were quite evident to me in childhood. I don't mean teenage, I mean pre-puberty. I was not molested.

I should stop answering posts addressed to others. Just let me repeat: not all pedophilia has the same cause. Not all cases have single cause. It is probably much the same for other -philias.

In my own case, I think the major cause was incidents of sexual and romantic love, with other children, when I was a child. Perhaps I'm lucky, compared to other pedophiles.


Yeah... good advice. Hobos you are a pedophile? I never would have suspected. How many pedophiles does NS have on it? This seems unusual somehow that so many admitted pedophiles would be on one forum.
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Postby Truth and Acceptance » Fri Mar 12, 2010 6:33 am

Tirovia wrote:As in Britain, where 10 is the (fairly arbitrary) age of criminal responsibility. I agree this is a knotty one. But while I feel the justice system in the UK does not properly address the problem of 'young offenders', I'm not sure that a low age of criminal responsibility justifies lowering the age of consent for sexual activity.

My reasoning, I guess, would be that I believe adults - all adults, whether parents or not - have a collective duty to protect the children of society. This isn't out of some fashionable "think of the children" hysteria, but it's the logical point of recognizing 'childhood' at all: to recognize humans who aren't yet trained, conditioned and experienced enough to manage on their own. To my mind, the question is when we can consider a child to have reached an age where they can be entrusted with any given responsibility. While I'd be open to discussion on the exact ages used, I think I'd agree that the order is correct: the child learns to accept responsibility for his or her own behavior, and learns to respect the law. That's fairly basic, and should, frankly, have been trained in by the parents or guardians right from the start. But sexual activity is a question for later in life (although I realize the advertising industry and media are trying their best to promote interest in it as early as humanly possible), and there are a lot of risks that go with it. So it makes sense to me that the age of criminal responsibility should be lower, and the age of consent higher. If we put them at the same age, then we risk having the age of consent unreasonably low (for people who aren't ready for that responsibility), or the age of criminal responsibility unreasonably high (for people who are way past old enough to know better).


The point I usually bring up with this is that up until 1900 the AOC and the Age of criminality were equal at 10; and that I personally believe it's nutty to say that there are less consequences to committing a felony then to having sex. Not to mention the sex offenders registry in the US contains names of people who committed the crime of child molestation by having sex with a younger child when they were 10~12....

I do believe that it's possible to set the AOC too young, which is why I (unlike several of my fellow pedos) don't support abolishing the AOC; but I do think that it's been set too high over the last century. I agree that it takes time to learn responsibility, especially with regards to sex, but I don't believe it really takes 16~18 years.

Tirovia wrote:But there isn't a "no sex ever!" policy. They can have sex when they get to 16 (in Britain); or whatever age their state has designated.


And the AOC in Spain is 13 and since I doubt Spanish children develop three years earlier then British children this shows just how arbitrary it really is.

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We can only do that if we are willing to exert control over them. If we don't control them, if we let them 'do their own thing' and find their own way, then we betray their trust. It might be easier for us, but sooner or later they will suffer because of our lack of care.


I disagree with this. I agree that adults do have a certain responsibility to kids but I see no reason for despotic control. Personally I believe the entire family structure should be more democratic. When we require children to do things for their own good (like school, chores, and not eating pizza and ice cream every night) we do it for a reason; so why then does the most common thing I hear out of parents happen to be "because I said so"?

I used to do volunteer work with kids, I've found that when kids know why their doing something (especially if they know it will help them later) there more inclined to do it.

Tirovia wrote:As I hope I've made clear, I consider that any sexual relationship with a child is by definition abusive.


I'm sorry that you feel that way....I acknowledge that a sexual relationship with a child can be abusive, but I do not see how it is always so. On this point, I think it's best if we agree to disagree.
Else we will just come to deadlock....

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Postby The Golden Dragonfly » Fri Mar 12, 2010 6:35 am

Yeah maybe, I must admit that I'm not particularly interested anyway.

Look, that last guy is right, there certainly do seem to be a hell of a lot of pedos on this thread, and its sort of a weird and seedy scene that has developed over the last 60 pages and personally I think the mods should have shut this thread down a long time ago, but they are obviously titillated, and its their call, so I'll leave it at that.

Does seem to me though that all these pedos are clamoring for attention, they are obviously very keen to tell their story and have us all ask questions about their thoughts and desires and what not. Its a cathartic experience for them, a confession of sorts. It makes me feel sort of unclean participating, even to this very small extent. nevertheless, I have words to say and will speak my piece.

All of those pedo guys keep on pointing out that they are essentially moral people with errant thoughts, and that they have never and would never act upon their desires, because they know they would be wrong. Well. I don't want to cast aspersions at any person in particular, but I'll admit to being dubious. They speak about their urges with such passion and candor, makes my skin crawl, and my inclination is not to give any of them the benefit of the doubt.
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