I'm probably going to alienate a lot of people but...

[Grainne Ni Malley]

Roughly 33% of girls and 14% of boys are molested before becoming adults. Given such statistics and the life deep emotional and sometimes physical pain such molestation typically brings a person it is understandable and fully reasonable that people would be very upset in seeing a person who self identifies as a pedophile being treated respectably by society.

Now I understand that the OP here claims he has not acted on his urges. Well that is good but many people will see any sort of niceties in communicating with him to be implicit endorsement of pedophiles in general and specifically the pedophile who hurt him or her. For some such discussion may even give flashbacks of the event forcing them to relive it. Some past victims of abuse revert to child like mentalities when this occurs to protect themselves.

Given the above truth I hope the OP and others can understand why certain individuals would be unable to calmly and politely discuss anything with him without using emotionally charged language.

What is the source of those statistics? My statistics say: "Approximately 15% to 25% of women and 5% to 15% of men were sexually abused when they were children."

And I very much doubt many are even aware of those types of numbers. Or have been abused. Whilst I have utmost sympathy for those who have, I know a few people who were abused, and most of them, if not all of them are happy to talk to me. The worst people for us are people who don't actually know anything and simply need something to hate, or those who have been brainwashed by society into having an immediate "OMG you disgust me, go die" reaction.

I failed to mention that my stats were from the united states justice department. So probably only valid for the US. Most people who were abused do not feel comfortable talking about it. This is doubly so of male victims who are more likely to deny it or to think they did something wrong and it was their fault.

It is entirely understandable that a person may take offense to this topic in particular. As if this hasn't brought up a whole slew of memories and emotional negativity for me... so I get it. Notice I did not direct a response to the person who lashed out.

However, there a great deal of topics on here that many people find find upsetting. I want to pull my hair out and scream every time someone says it's fine to treat homosexuals like monsters or vile scum. Yes, I agree this topic is more sensitive than most. No matter how understandable the anger and frustration is, it doesn't make verbally abusing someone acceptable. I am relieved it was handled by the mods in a reasonable manner.

[Tirovia]

And yet 10 year olds can be charged with a felony in the US.

As in Britain, where 10 is the (fairly arbitrary) age of criminal responsibility. I agree this is a knotty one. But while I feel the justice system in the UK does not properly address the problem of 'young offenders', I'm not sure that a low age of criminal responsibility justifies lowering the age of consent for sexual activity.

My reasoning, I guess, would be that I believe adults - all adults, whether parents or not - have a collective duty to protect the children of society. This isn't out of some fashionable "think of the children" hysteria, but it's the logical point of recognising 'childhood' at all: to recognise humans who aren't yet trained, conditioned and experienced enough to manage on their own. To my mind, the question is when we can consider a child to have reached an age where they can be entrusted with any given responsibility. While I'd be open to discussion on the exact ages used, I think I'd agree that the order is correct: the child learns to accept responsibility for his or her own behaviour, and learns to respect the law. That's fairly basic, and should, frankly, have been trained in by the parents or guardians right from the start. But sexual activity is a question for later in life (although I realise the advertising industry and media are trying their best to promote interest in it as early as humanly possible), and there are a lot of risks that go with it. So it makes sense to me that the age of criminal responsibility should be lower, and the age of consent higher. If we put them at the same age, then we risk having the age of consent unreasonably low (for people who aren't ready for that responsibility), or the age of criminal responsibility unreasonably high (for people who are way past old enough to know better).

I agree that children should be protected, but a flat out "no sex ever!" policy isn't the only answer.

But there isn't a "no sex ever!" policy. They can have sex when they get to 16 (in Britain); or whatever age their state has designated.

Children can not give informed consent only because they lack the information. We hide sex from kids, it's the last thing any parent ever wants to talk about.

I'd certainly agree that society's normal paradoxical attitude to sex - it's a taboo subject that everyone talks about more or less all the time - only serves to increase the sense of mystery and fascination. I do think that if we were more matter-of-fact about it, and less giggly and juvenile, we'd train a healthier attitude in our society's kids. But I'm not sure I agree that the only reason they get into trouble is because they lack information. It's a larger social problem that has no single solution; but it seems reasonably clear that one of the big contributors is the overwhelming pressure exerted on children by media to be adults. And there's no balancing point of view: the adults who have direct contact with these kids daren't really address the subject. So they spend their early lives being encouraged to wear make-up, wear revealing clothes, try to be 'sexy'... Realising that I'll come over as a prude, I do think that's fundamentally unhealthy. As a society we sexualise kids far too early, so it's little wonder we find that so many of them make decisions they end up regretting.

If you doubt wither a child can process information and arrive at a rational answer, then we're wasting time with schools....evrey day a child past the age of 6 or 7 goes to school he/she is expected to process information and arrive at a rational answers.

Yes, but I think it's fair to say that that occurs in a fairly controlled and protected environment. Even if the kids don't recognise it as such, it quickly becomes apparent once they leave school and start work. That's not to take away from the challenge of being at school (I remember it less than fondly), but it does not follow that because they can logically address a maths problem, so they can also be entrusted with the responsibility of sex.

The fact is...aside form the sheer size difference between adults and children the majority of the causes for the power imbalance are artificial. Children are treated like second class citizens at best, and property at worst. They have no say in what happens to them along any aspect of their lives...

You refer to this 'power imbalance' and imply that adults have excessive rights over children. I would look at it as the adult having necessary responsibility for the child. Despite the artificial 'stages' we've drawn on the human lifetime (infancy, adolescence, adulthood, middle age, old age, and the like), every person's development is in fact a steady process starting the day they're born and ending the day they die. Yes, there might well be some kids who develop a sense of responsibility faster than others. But I would suspect that the key sign of responsibility in the area of sexual activity is that they don't want to rush into it. If that's accepted, then it follows that those most responsible, and thus deserving of a lower age of consent, won't need to consent until they're older anyway. While those who would take advantage of a lower age of consent are probably those who need a higher one.

Like many people, you seem to believe that adult control over children is somehow unfair; that they are fully-fledged citizens who should have all the rights that adults enjoy. I submit that our societies (by which I mean the 'developed' world) have been moving towards that position over the last few decades - and I don't think it's coincidental that we're seeing rapidly rising rates of youth offending, anti-social behaviour, underage sex and pregnancy, child exploitation and substance abuse. Adults have a duty to protect children. We can only do that if we are willing to exert control over them. If we don't control them, if we let them 'do their own thing' and find their own way, then we betray their trust. It might be easier for us, but sooner or later they will suffer because of our lack of care.

I'm glad that you say you could accept me for who I am...and I appreciate the fact that you, like much of society, assume (because of your fears) that if I ever had a sexual relationship with a child it would be abusive and exploitive no matter what....but I disagree with that. I won't do anything illegal, realize this, but I don't see why the worst case scenario would automatically be true if I did.

As I hope I've made clear, I consider that any sexual relationship with a child is by definition abusive. Sexual attraction to a child, well, that's just who you are. Inexplicable as it may be to me, I can't condemn you for something that's beyond your control. That's the flip side of the whole 'not taking pride' thing. But your behaviour in light of that attraction is under your control, and that I can condemn you for - if you behave wrongly.

[Tirovia]

I'd drop the word "brainwashed" from your vocabulary if I were you.

I'm not sure what else you would call having opinions drilled into you from early on in life

'Upbringing'?

'Social Training'?

'Education'?

[Nobel Hobos]

Roughly 33% of girls and 14% of boys are molested before becoming adults. Given such statistics and the life deep emotional and sometimes physical pain such molestation typically brings a person it is understandable and fully reasonable that people would be very upset in seeing a person who self identifies as a pedophile being treated respectably by society.

Now I understand that the OP here claims he has not acted on his urges. Well that is good but many people will see any sort of niceties in communicating with him to be implicit endorsement of pedophiles in general and specifically the pedophile who hurt him or her. For some such discussion may even give flashbacks of the event forcing them to relive it. Some past victims of abuse revert to child like mentalities when this occurs to protect themselves.

Given the above truth I hope the OP and others can understand why certain individuals would be unable to calmly and politely discuss anything with him without using emotionally charged language.

What is the source of those statistics? My statistics say: "Approximately 15% to 25% of women and 5% to 15% of men were sexually abused when they were children."

Multiple victims per molestor usually.

Harder to measure but more significant is the proportion of adults who are pedophiles. That would give us some idea of what proportion of pedophiles actually molest children. I remember reading somewhere that when measured in a lab, a surprisingly high proportion of men (the study was done with men) have some paedophilic attraction. It was mentioned in a previous thread.

And I very much doubt many are even aware of those types of numbers. Or have been abused. Whilst I have utmost sympathy for those who have, I know a few people who were abused, and most of them, if not all of them are happy to talk to me. The worst people for us are people who don't actually know anything and simply need something to hate, or those who have been brainwashed by society into having an immediate "OMG you disgust me, go die" reaction.

I'd drop the word "brainwashed" from your vocabulary if I were you.

Otherwise, I've enjoyed your posts. A bit confronting I guess but you keep your temper well.

I'm not sure what else you would call having opinions drilled into you from early on in life, however I will take the advice.

"Indoctrination" perhaps,

"Brainwashed" isn't quite a tinfoil-hat word, but it sounds a bit nutty. And it's easily turned around, "you are!" "no you are!"
For me it's an image of tall woman named Natasha stalking me with the mindray gun in one hand and a bottle of vodka in the other.
That's not an unpleasant image, it just distracts from the question at hand.

Tinfoilhatword really should be a word, btw.

[Utopia-Heaven]

Oops, yes, it's my blog Hobo. Didn't see your question.

It's just pedo acceptance. There are no pictures, it encourages psychological care, and acceptance, etc.


And I'm totally not an evil pervert. >.> Well, according to law I'm a pervert, but I'm definitely not evil!!

[Person012345]

I'd drop the word "brainwashed" from your vocabulary if I were you.

I'm not sure what else you would call having opinions drilled into you from early on in life

'Upbringing'?

'Social Training'?

'Education'?

If you wish to call it that, however, I associate negative things with the attitude "Hate these people because they are different". I also don't think that most people would choose to think like that unless they were "educated" like that. That is born out by really getting into the facts and getting down to why they think like that. They often end up agreeing (grudgingly) that as long as I don't do anything I'm not an evil person. Though a number will never accept it. Hence my use of the term "brainwashing". Though I will try to avoid the term or now.

[Utopia-Heaven]

Hahahahaha, Hobo, that's totally the image I get when I read brainwashed too! Except her name is Svetlana.

[Person012345]

Roughly 33% of girls and 14% of boys are molested before becoming adults. Given such statistics and the life deep emotional and sometimes physical pain such molestation typically brings a person it is understandable and fully reasonable that people would be very upset in seeing a person who self identifies as a pedophile being treated respectably by society.

Now I understand that the OP here claims he has not acted on his urges. Well that is good but many people will see any sort of niceties in communicating with him to be implicit endorsement of pedophiles in general and specifically the pedophile who hurt him or her. For some such discussion may even give flashbacks of the event forcing them to relive it. Some past victims of abuse revert to child like mentalities when this occurs to protect themselves.

Given the above truth I hope the OP and others can understand why certain individuals would be unable to calmly and politely discuss anything with him without using emotionally charged language.

What is the source of those statistics? My statistics say: "Approximately 15% to 25% of women and 5% to 15% of men were sexually abused when they were children."

I'll call it "you believe that because that's what you've been told to believe". How does that sound?
Multiple victims per molestor usually.

Harder to measure but more significant is the proportion of adults who are pedophiles. That would give us some idea of what proportion of pedophiles actually molest children. I remember reading somewhere that when measured in a lab, a surprisingly high proportion of men (the study was done with men) have some paedophilic attraction. It was mentioned in a previous thread.

And I very much doubt many are even aware of those types of numbers. Or have been abused. Whilst I have utmost sympathy for those who have, I know a few people who were abused, and most of them, if not all of them are happy to talk to me. The worst people for us are people who don't actually know anything and simply need something to hate, or those who have been brainwashed by society into having an immediate "OMG you disgust me, go die" reaction.

I'd drop the word "brainwashed" from your vocabulary if I were you.

Otherwise, I've enjoyed your posts. A bit confronting I guess but you keep your temper well.

I'm not sure what else you would call having opinions drilled into you from early on in life, however I will take the advice.

"Indoctrination" perhaps,

"Brainwashed" isn't quite a tinfoil-hat word, but it sounds a bit nutty. And it's easily turned around, "you are!" "no you are!"
For me it's an image of tall woman named Natasha stalking me with the mindray gun in one hand and a bottle of vodka in the other.
That's not an unpleasant image, it just distracts from the question at hand.

Tinfoilhatword really should be a word, btw.

I already posted this, it's probably somewhere in the quotation above. Oh well. I say, I'll call it "you believe that because that's what you've been told to believe" how does that sound?

[Utopia-Heaven]

My blog opener, since none of you will VISIT IT.

For those among us in society who believe that people have the right to love who they love, no matter what the age. Our aim isn't to display sexually explicit pictures or allow others to access porn. This is merely to explain who we pedophiles are, and why we aren't as the media claims we are. Please no flaming.

The welcome message:
Welcome!
As stated, we are here for one purpose: to allow for the integration of pedophiles into normal society.

Now this may seem ridiculous, the whole reason you are so scared for your kids is because they are already out there. However, they are, for the most part, in hiding.

For many years the LGBT has faced similar discrimination because they were misunderstood, however we feel that pedophiles do not have equal representation.

We thrive on the motto: Look, Don't Touch.

We do not condone child pornography or any sort of violation of laws or legal rights, and we definitely do no support rape, kidnapping, or murder. Any of these acts is a separate thing from our movement.

Thank you!


The disclaimer:
Any opinions stated here are opinions and as such are protected by the First Amendment. Anyone who is found to be flaming, posting rude threads, will have their comments removed. Anyone linking to pornography, legal or illegal, will be deleted. I am not a member of NAMBLA or any other pedophile group, I speak for myself and the pedophiles who agree with me. I do not advocate any sort of pornography. Any links that are located on this page will be one of two things: A pro-pedophile news-piece or a link to a support group/therapy/assistance.

Anyone who has serious thoughts about performing sexual acts on a minor is advised to seek help. Please help keep our reputation from sinking any lower. If you have knowledge of child pornography or of an active sexual predator we would like to think you would report it to the police. In that spirit, enjoy the blog and help us reach for the sun.

[Person012345]

My blog opener, since none of you will VISIT IT.

For those among us in society who believe that people have the right to love who they love, no matter what the age. Our aim isn't to display sexually explicit pictures or allow others to access porn. This is merely to explain who we pedophiles are, and why we aren't as the media claims we are. Please no flaming.

The welcome message:
Welcome!
As stated, we are here for one purpose: to allow for the integration of pedophiles into normal society.

Now this may seem ridiculous, the whole reason you are so scared for your kids is because they are already out there. However, they are, for the most part, in hiding.

For many years the LGBT has faced similar discrimination because they were misunderstood, however we feel that pedophiles do not have equal representation.

We thrive on the motto: Look, Don't Touch.

We do not condone child pornography or any sort of violation of laws or legal rights, and we definitely do no support rape, kidnapping, or murder. Any of these acts is a separate thing from our movement.

Thank you!


The disclaimer:
Any opinions stated here are opinions and as such are protected by the First Amendment. Anyone who is found to be flaming, posting rude threads, will have their comments removed. Anyone linking to pornography, legal or illegal, will be deleted. I am not a member of NAMBLA or any other pedophile group, I speak for myself and the pedophiles who agree with me. I do not advocate any sort of pornography. Any links that are located on this page will be one of two things: A pro-pedophile news-piece or a link to a support group/therapy/assistance.

Anyone who has serious thoughts about performing sexual acts on a minor is advised to seek help. Please help keep our reputation from sinking any lower. If you have knowledge of child pornography or of an active sexual predator we would like to think you would report it to the police. In that spirit, enjoy the blog and help us reach for the sun.

I went to it, btw. I clicked the first time you posted it. It's good.

[Utopia-Heaven]

>.< Yes, but no one will comment on it or follow it! You can comment annon. Person! You don't have to say your name or anything! >.<

[Utopia-Heaven]

Roughly 33% of girls and 14% of boys are molested before becoming adults. Given such statistics and the life deep emotional and sometimes physical pain such molestation typically brings a person it is understandable and fully reasonable that people would be very upset in seeing a person who self identifies as a pedophile being treated respectably by society.

Now I understand that the OP here claims he has not acted on his urges. Well that is good but many people will see any sort of niceties in communicating with him to be implicit endorsement of pedophiles in general and specifically the pedophile who hurt him or her. For some such discussion may even give flashbacks of the event forcing them to relive it. Some past victims of abuse revert to child like mentalities when this occurs to protect themselves.

Given the above truth I hope the OP and others can understand why certain individuals would be unable to calmly and politely discuss anything with him without using emotionally charged language.

What is the source of those statistics? My statistics say: "Approximately 15% to 25% of women and 5% to 15% of men were sexually abused when they were children."

I'll call it "you believe that because that's what you've been told to believe". How does that sound?
Multiple victims per molestor usually.

Harder to measure but more significant is the proportion of adults who are pedophiles. That would give us some idea of what proportion of pedophiles actually molest children. I remember reading somewhere that when measured in a lab, a surprisingly high proportion of men (the study was done with men) have some paedophilic attraction. It was mentioned in a previous thread.

And I very much doubt many are even aware of those types of numbers. Or have been abused. Whilst I have utmost sympathy for those who have, I know a few people who were abused, and most of them, if not all of them are happy to talk to me. The worst people for us are people who don't actually know anything and simply need something to hate, or those who have been brainwashed by society into having an immediate "OMG you disgust me, go die" reaction.

I'd drop the word "brainwashed" from your vocabulary if I were you.

Otherwise, I've enjoyed your posts. A bit confronting I guess but you keep your temper well.

I'm not sure what else you would call having opinions drilled into you from early on in life, however I will take the advice.

"Indoctrination" perhaps,

"Brainwashed" isn't quite a tinfoil-hat word, but it sounds a bit nutty. And it's easily turned around, "you are!" "no you are!"
For me it's an image of tall woman named Natasha stalking me with the mindray gun in one hand and a bottle of vodka in the other.
That's not an unpleasant image, it just distracts from the question at hand.

Tinfoilhatword really should be a word, btw.

Did anyone else notice this subtle thing? ^^^^ He did it in all white though.

[Person012345]

>.< Yes, but no one will comment on it or follow it! You can comment annon. Person! You don't have to say your name or anything! >.<

I can comment? Oh, I didn't realise.

[Person012345]

Roughly 33% of girls and 14% of boys are molested before becoming adults. Given such statistics and the life deep emotional and sometimes physical pain such molestation typically brings a person it is understandable and fully reasonable that people would be very upset in seeing a person who self identifies as a pedophile being treated respectably by society.

Now I understand that the OP here claims he has not acted on his urges. Well that is good but many people will see any sort of niceties in communicating with him to be implicit endorsement of pedophiles in general and specifically the pedophile who hurt him or her. For some such discussion may even give flashbacks of the event forcing them to relive it. Some past victims of abuse revert to child like mentalities when this occurs to protect themselves.

Given the above truth I hope the OP and others can understand why certain individuals would be unable to calmly and politely discuss anything with him without using emotionally charged language.

What is the source of those statistics? My statistics say: "Approximately 15% to 25% of women and 5% to 15% of men were sexually abused when they were children."

I'll call it "you believe that because that's what you've been told to believe". How does that sound?
Multiple victims per molestor usually.

Harder to measure but more significant is the proportion of adults who are pedophiles. That would give us some idea of what proportion of pedophiles actually molest children. I remember reading somewhere that when measured in a lab, a surprisingly high proportion of men (the study was done with men) have some paedophilic attraction. It was mentioned in a previous thread.

And I very much doubt many are even aware of those types of numbers. Or have been abused. Whilst I have utmost sympathy for those who have, I know a few people who were abused, and most of them, if not all of them are happy to talk to me. The worst people for us are people who don't actually know anything and simply need something to hate, or those who have been brainwashed by society into having an immediate "OMG you disgust me, go die" reaction.

I'd drop the word "brainwashed" from your vocabulary if I were you.

Otherwise, I've enjoyed your posts. A bit confronting I guess but you keep your temper well.

I'm not sure what else you would call having opinions drilled into you from early on in life, however I will take the advice.

"Indoctrination" perhaps,

"Brainwashed" isn't quite a tinfoil-hat word, but it sounds a bit nutty. And it's easily turned around, "you are!" "no you are!"
For me it's an image of tall woman named Natasha stalking me with the mindray gun in one hand and a bottle of vodka in the other.
That's not an unpleasant image, it just distracts from the question at hand.

Tinfoilhatword really should be a word, btw.

Did anyone else notice this subtle thing? ^^^^ He did it in all white though.

Yes. Highlight it and it appears, as if by magic.

[Utopia-Heaven]

You click on the individual story titles, or the 0 comments at the bottom by all the tags.

http://pedofriends.blogspot.com/2010/03 ... l#comments
http://pedofriends.blogspot.com/2010/03 ... l#comments

See?

[Utopia-Heaven]

Oh and if you were to send me YOUR story, we could get some non-gay perspective. >.>

[Natapoc]

(snip)

This is the third time in this thread you have linked to your blog. It makes it seem like you are trying to advertise it. You probably want to avoid that.

[Person012345]

You click on the individual story titles, or the 0 comments at the bottom by all the tags.

http://pedofriends.blogspot.com/2010/03 ... l#comments
http://pedofriends.blogspot.com/2010/03 ... l#comments

See?

It seems to want me to pick an ID. Is that anonymous still?

[Utopia-Heaven]

>.> Well, yeah, a little. I'm trying to point out where there may be further info. >.>

And for someone with Anarchy in a heart and power to the people fists, you're kind of.... Not so liberal-e. You're kind of... Negative-e.

[Person012345]

Oh and if you were to send me YOUR story, we could get some non-gay perspective. >.>

My story is I'm attracted to little girls, have been for as long as I can remember (back to about 14 or so). That's really all I can think of to tell. Feel free to question me some.

[Utopia-Heaven]

You click on the individual story titles, or the 0 comments at the bottom by all the tags.

http://pedofriends.blogspot.com/2010/03 ... l#comments
http://pedofriends.blogspot.com/2010/03 ... l#comments

See?

It seems to want me to pick an ID. Is that anonymous still?

Yes, you just type random, or anonymous. Don't bother doing your actual name.

[Person012345]

>.> Well, yeah, a little. I'm trying to point out where there may be further info. >.>

And for someone with Anarchy in a heart and power to the people fists, you're kind of.... Not so liberal-e. You're kind of... Negative-e.

He's actually kinda right, advertising isn't usually accepted on forums.

[Utopia-Heaven]

>.< You know what, just e-mail me. We'll talk.

[Utopia-Heaven]

Oops. Okay, well they can erase those posts then. It won't let me.

[Person012345]

You click on the individual story titles, or the 0 comments at the bottom by all the tags.

http://pedofriends.blogspot.com/2010/03 ... l#comments
http://pedofriends.blogspot.com/2010/03 ... l#comments

See?

It seems to want me to pick an ID. Is that anonymous still?

Yes, you just type random, or anonymous. Don't bother doing your actual name.

It says google profile etc. blah blah, the only one I have (well, i assume it works on that site as it did on a diff blog one... not solid logic I understand, but still) is an AIM ID. So if I use that it will log who I am right? Well, saying that my AIM ID is as anonymous as anything I have online. But still... I guess I should use that right? xD