Russian ship near the coast

[Neuwland]

While this would make a very interesting RP scenario millions dying in an repeat of WWI is less than ideal. We have international law for a reason. It is actually a pragmatic thing.

My evil hypothetical alter ego would be down with this. But in real life it is not the right, nor sane thing to do.

There cannot be a "repeat of WWI", because WWI was made possible by the existence of multiple, more-or-less-equally powerful, empires that were struggling for global dominance.

That is simply not the world we live in any more. Today there is a single global hegemonic power (the United States) and a number of vastly inferior mini-empires that can jockey for position with each other but have no hope of challenging the hegemon.

Russia isn't an empire too or China?

[New Axiom]

While this would make a very interesting RP scenario millions dying in an repeat of WWI is less than ideal. We have international law for a reason. It is actually a pragmatic thing.

My evil hypothetical alter ego would be down with this. But in real life it is not the right, nor sane thing to do.

There cannot be a "repeat of WWI", because WWI was made possible by the existence of multiple, more-or-less-equally powerful, empires that were struggling for global dominance.

That is simply not the world we live in any more. Today there is a single global hegemonic power (the United States) and a number of vastly inferior mini-empires that can jockey for position with each other but have no hope of challenging the hegemon.

Right. Yeah, totally. Murican supremacy. In case you haven't noticed, that's been kind of a joke lately.

[Surkiea]

I think we should sink that thing.

[Neuwland]

There cannot be a "repeat of WWI", because WWI was made possible by the existence of multiple, more-or-less-equally powerful, empires that were struggling for global dominance.

That is simply not the world we live in any more. Today there is a single global hegemonic power (the United States) and a number of vastly inferior mini-empires that can jockey for position with each other but have no hope of challenging the hegemon.

Right. Yeah, totally. Murican supremacy. In case you haven't noticed, that's been kind of a joke lately.

Earlier he was saying that Russia is beating America now Russia is the victim.

[Militant Costco]

There cannot be a "repeat of WWI", because WWI was made possible by the existence of multiple, more-or-less-equally powerful, empires that were struggling for global dominance.

That is simply not the world we live in any more. Today there is a single global hegemonic power (the United States) and a number of vastly inferior mini-empires that can jockey for position with each other but have no hope of challenging the hegemon.

Right. Yeah, totally. Murican supremacy. In case you haven't noticed, that's been kind of a joke lately.

Murica is a joke until megatons of democracy either vaporizes you or leaves you and your family with 3rd degree burns, mutations and horrible radiation sickness and your entire home and city you grew up into a wasteland.

Not so much of a joke now huh?

[Neuwland]

Right. Yeah, totally. Murican supremacy. In case you haven't noticed, that's been kind of a joke lately.

Murica is a joke until megatons of democracy either vaporizes you or leaves you and your family with 3rd degree burns, mutations and horrible radiation sickness and your entire home and city you grew up into a wasteland.

Not so much of a joke now huh?

Thankfully this isn't Fallout, although I wonder that the people in Fallout would do if Trump was their President Pre-war and he had it good with the Chinese.

[Delator]

I think we should fire a missile into the Baltic to 'test' Putin and we should send 2 spy ships to Vladivostok.

Where is the condemnations where was the coast guard?

The next person I see with a Confederate flag in their avatar who understands the slightest thing about international power politics, will be the first...

No but we should have helped the Germans in the Eastern Front in WW2.

...see what I mean????

[The Corparation]

There cannot be a "repeat of WWI", because WWI was made possible by the existence of multiple, more-or-less-equally powerful, empires that were struggling for global dominance.

That is simply not the world we live in any more. Today there is a single global hegemonic power (the United States) and a number of vastly inferior mini-empires that can jockey for position with each other but have no hope of challenging the hegemon.

Right. Yeah, totally. Murican supremacy. In case you haven't noticed, that's been kind of a joke lately.

For now he's right. Even if you do think the country is on a downward slide, the US is still currently the only world power able to use force wherever and whenever it wants. Russia and China are powerful, but in terms of actually being able to project force beyond their front and back yards they're both lacking.

[Frank Zipper]

Do Americans have a reaction to Russia somewhere between Trump's sycophancy and McCarthyite paranoia? Something more reasonable.

[Militant Costco]

Right. Yeah, totally. Murican supremacy. In case you haven't noticed, that's been kind of a joke lately.

For now he's right. Even if you do think the country is on a downward slide, the US is still currently the only world power able to use force wherever and whenever it wants. Russia and China are powerful, but in terms of actually being able to project force beyond their front and back yards they're both lacking.

That doesn't make America a hegemony. A hegemony would be if every country in the world could be destroyed and America would still be standing.

America can certainly take out every country. But without countries like China making America's products, the Middle East fueling America and South America sending America resources, America and the people living inside would wish they were dead. Having a military that reaches around the world isn't the only requirement for world domination.

After-all the Brit's didn't conquer the world with a cup of tea and a musket.

[Kubra]

For now he's right. Even if you do think the country is on a downward slide, the US is still currently the only world power able to use force wherever and whenever it wants. Russia and China are powerful, but in terms of actually being able to project force beyond their front and back yards they're both lacking.

That doesn't make America a hegemony. A hegemony would be if every country in the world could be destroyed and America would still be standing.

America can certainly take out every country. But without countries like China making America's products, the Middle East fueling America and South America sending America resources, America and the people living inside would wish they were dead. Having a military that reaches around the world isn't the only requirement for world domination.

After-all the Brit's didn't conquer the world with a cup of tea and a musket.

What global hegemon has ever had the power to withstand the total destruction of the world around it
what are these global empires that weren't into the whole trade thing
and don't say costco

[New Axiom]

Right. Yeah, totally. Murican supremacy. In case you haven't noticed, that's been kind of a joke lately.

Murica is a joke until megatons of democracy either vaporizes you or leaves you and your family with 3rd degree burns, mutations and horrible radiation sickness and your entire home and city you grew up into a wasteland.

Not so much of a joke now huh?

I hope you realize it's that kind of...diplomacy...that makes me think so low of America.

[Militant Costco]

That doesn't make America a hegemony. A hegemony would be if every country in the world could be destroyed and America would still be standing.

America can certainly take out every country. But without countries like China making America's products, the Middle East fueling America and South America sending America resources, America and the people living inside would wish they were dead. Having a military that reaches around the world isn't the only requirement for world domination.

After-all the Brit's didn't conquer the world with a cup of tea and a musket.

What global hegemon has ever had the power to withstand the total destruction of the world around it
what are these global empires that weren't into the whole trade thing
and don't say costco

The point is that no modern country can be a hegemony. No country can achieve total self-reliance. The only way a country can be a hegemony is if it controlled every place in the world and everything about the world.

The American economy is like a Jenga tower, it's where it is because of the contributions of all the little Jenga blocks, but if the Jenga tower decided to destroy all the little Jenga blocks, there would be nothing left for the Jenga tower to build on.

"and don't say costco"
Costco

[Militant Costco]

Murica is a joke until megatons of democracy either vaporizes you or leaves you and your family with 3rd degree burns, mutations and horrible radiation sickness and your entire home and city you grew up into a wasteland.

Not so much of a joke now huh?

I hope you realize it's that kind of...diplomacy...that makes me think so low of America.

You realize that "diplomacy" is the reason you're alive and that the Soviets and Americans didn't fight a war to end all wars?

This is why I have so low opinions of these American haters. Hating America because we destroyed your homeland or tortured you is a legitimate reason. Hating America because it's so dominant is B.S.

[Constantinopolis]

Earlier he was saying that Russia is beating America now Russia is the victim.

When did I ever say that Russia is "beating America"? Of course it isn't. Not even Russia and China put together could beat America. All they can do is persuade America to leave them alone to do their thing.

[Esternial]

Because politics isn't like kindergarten enough already.

[Constantinopolis]

There cannot be a "repeat of WWI", because WWI was made possible by the existence of multiple, more-or-less-equally powerful, empires that were struggling for global dominance.

That is simply not the world we live in any more. Today there is a single global hegemonic power (the United States) and a number of vastly inferior mini-empires that can jockey for position with each other but have no hope of challenging the hegemon.

Right. Yeah, totally. Murican supremacy. In case you haven't noticed, that's been kind of a joke lately.

The point is that no modern country can be a hegemony. No country can achieve total self-reliance. The only way a country can be a hegemony is if it controlled every place in the world and everything about the world.

The American economy is like a Jenga tower, it's where it is because of the contributions of all the little Jenga blocks, but if the Jenga tower decided to destroy all the little Jenga blocks, there would be nothing left for the Jenga tower to build on.

Self-reliance is not required for hegemony. In fact, no hegemon or imperial power has EVER been self-reliant, as that would be completely ridiculous. The whole point of having power over other countries is to get stuff from them, not to be self-sufficient and economically separated from them.

Every imperial power and hegemon that has ever existed has always depended on its provinces, colonies or puppet states for supplies of cheap goods. Rome was fed with grain from Egypt. This is imperialism 101: You dominate other countries, they sell you stuff for less money. Of course it means that, theoretically, if they decided to blockade you and stop selling you cheap stuff, your economy would collapse. But that's why you've got your huge military to keep them in line. And you apply the principle of divide and conquer to ensure that your provinces/colonies/puppets never join together against you.

Ancient Rome or Britain during its imperial phase didn't even grow enough food to feed their own populations at home - they got their food from their colonies. The United States is actually MORE self-reliant than many of history's greatest imperial centers.

[New Axiom]

I hope you realize it's that kind of...diplomacy...that makes me think so low of America.

You realize that "diplomacy" is the reason you're alive and that the Soviets and Americans didn't fight a war to end all wars?

This is why I have so low opinions of these American haters. Hating America because we destroyed your homeland or tortured you is a legitimate reason. Hating America because it's so dominant is B.S.

Hey now, I don't hate America, just some of its tactics.

Sure, diplomacy is why we didn't become crispy corpses. But when I said diplomacy in the post you quoted, I was being sarcastic, in case the italics didn't give it away, ya know, cause nukes don't sound like a good method of sensible diplomacy.

[USHALLNOTPASS]

I'm not saying that you would've deported your Jews to Germany, I'm saying that there probably would be riots. China was in no shape to fight Japan at the start of WW2. China had no experience in the type of warfare present in WW2, they had a few German trained divisions, but the rest were poorly trained and equipped. Why, you had Chinese suicide bombers being used to destroy tanks. Thus, why would Germany want to waste resources on China? As a Chinese person myself, I can say that Japan didn't completely annex China because the Chinese military essentially drew the war out and used attrition. China then was also riddled with corruption, which thus caused Joseph Stilwell, the American General sent to China, to essentially give up. Afghanistan was your excuse to target Al Qaeda operatives who later fled the country. And you can't ignore ISIS, or ISIL, if they have claimed committed terrorist attacks in allied territory. Have you also considered the fact that Syria and Iraq would be screwed over more under ISIS? Following your logic, the Middle East would be better if the US did not invade Iraq.

The world didn't know about the camps until allied soldiers found them when invading Germany, China could have been in shape to fight Japan had Germany intervened and sent enough equipment for China to sustain a modern army and unify the warlords. The corruption in China is not our problem our problem was Japan. Afghanistan was not my excuse to target Al-Qaeda because like I said I would have never supported Israel's creation or the Gulf War thus the organization would have very little to have against us, their rhetoric is based on our Federal Reserve system which I oppose, our war stationing of troops in Saudi Arabia to fight Iraq which I wouldn't have done, so in reality they'd probably still be in Sudan or Afghanistan running religious institutions, plus we would have supported them against the Soviets. I wouldn't have the allies that we have they are all terrible they are literally carbon-copies of each other they are all just small European nations with ultra-liberal governments all claiming to be socialist, I don't like our allies or care for them, I wouldn't make alliances with a bunch of countries and claim to be their defenders this is where isolationism is useful, as for ISIS running Iraq or Syria in a theoretical world where we do leave them alone and they defeated every faction that opposed and stayed in Iraq and Syria (or the greater Levant) they'd run it just fine, like I said they'd be a proxy like Pinochet or Baptista. Plus having them run this ultra-conservative nation claiming to be the Caliphate would be useful in terms of giving Muslims who are disatisifed with our governments a place to go to live while serving our interests, they could export oil from Iraq and Syria, and they could replace the Saudis or we could use them both ISIS would also act as a buffer against Iran, ISIS would also take the place of the Ottoman Empire if we where successful in restoring the Central Powers.

Allow me to send you this: http://www.theholocaustexplained.org/ks ... KVvfFV97SE

Anywho, the point of Japan being the problem may have been valid if it were not for utter contempt the Allies showed Japan after WW1. The reason why Japan became nationalistic was because of the events that occurred during the Paris Peace Conference. And, in the light of your pro-Third Reich views, support of China ended when Hitler rose to power. China then was essentially a drain on German resources.

Your current allies are not useless. The UK helped significantly in Iraq, and the existence of the EU is infinitely more beneficial than a Nazi regime.

ISIS will not stop after conquering Iraq and Syria. Frankly, if they did conquer Iraq and Syria, minorities will be targeted, subjected or exterminated. Does it not trouble you that with your perceived 'perfect' world, thousands of innocents will die? Thousands, in this instance, is an underestimation at best. Imperialism typically involves the subjugation and dehumanisation of any native residents of an empire's colonies. A German Empire under Hitler will be very different to the German Empire under Kaiser Wilhelm.

[Wallenburg]

Um...so what?

[USHALLNOTPASS]

Um...so what?

Clusterfuck.

[Ethel mermania]

Because politics isn't like kindergarten enough already.

Finger painting, cookies and a nap. I like that idea.

[Saiwania]

Finger painting, cookies and a nap. I like that idea.

Finger painting isn't a useful activity, but it might foster some creativity so I could let that slide. Cookies are junk food which a school shouldn't be giving to children, it creates a bad influence in terms of diet from a young age and contributes to poorer dental hygiene. Naps, now that is definitely not a productive activity, if children want to sleep- they should have plenty of time to do so at home. They should be learning the alphabet, spelling, and etc. Children which are 5 years or older are definitely capable of staying awake for most of the entire day.

Yeah, the way kindergarten is conducted in the US is clearly far behind other countries. Not impressed.

[Ethel mermania]

Finger painting, cookies and a nap. I like that idea.

Finger painting isn't a useful activity, but it might foster some creativity so I could let that slide. Cookies are junk food which a school shouldn't be giving to children, it creates a bad influence in terms of diet from a young age and contributes to poorer dental hygiene. Naps, now that is definitely not a productive activity, if children want to sleep- they should have plenty of time to do so at home. They should be learning the alphabet, spelling, and etc. Children which are 5 year or older are definitely capable of staying awake the entire day.

Yeah, the way kindergarten is conducted in the US is clearly far behind other countries. Not impressed.

Children at that age still need naps a full day kindergarten it to long without one.

Maybe we need a few Russian warships to explain this.

[Chkalovsk II]

Tldr for new comers;

OP opposes the stabilization of US-Russia relations because "muh ebil kommiez of kuld wur11" and advocates the potential genocide of millions of innocent people due to the actions of a few people out of a country of 140 odd million people. What the OP fails to realise is that since the rise of Vladimir Putin, Russia has never been so far away from Communism in its history, and Communism is nowhere close enough politically to make a strong comeback in the Russian Federation. 343 seats of the State Duma are held by the Center-Right (and arguably solid Right Wing) Еди́ная Росси́я (United Russia) whilst only 104 seats are held by a combined opposition, only 42 of which are held by the КПРФ (Communist Party of the Russian Federation). Instead of aiming to restore relations with Russia to potential cooperative levels seen between the US and Russia during the rule of Boris Yeltsin (up until the Chechen War or Transnistria Conflict), the OP supports the braindead theory of needless military escalation and potentially starting a Third World War so that the entire world, billions of innocent civilians, can burn in some sort of nuclear holocaust.

The OP seems to be some sort of Nazi apologist, which is hypocritical when calling out Russian apologists, and puts a bad name on the State of Texas as it reinforces the uneducated redneck theory and a failing education system because of talks of some 'Nazi utopia' that I know is not true about a lot of Texans. Yes, lots of countries do their bad things, and most times they regret them, but the past is the past, if we want to survive until 2200 we have to learn how to put aside differences, even if it is only temporarily, so that the human race does not end at the single push of a button. Thankfully a good proportion of Americans are not as ignorant as the OP and recognize the fact that starting a nuclear war with Russia is not the way to go about things and there are quite a few supports of Trump's claimed "de-escalation & cooperation" talk with Russia, and the same can be said within Russia, it is no secret that an overwhelming amount of Russians supported Trump for the same reason, it is evident that both sides of this 'New Cold War' are tired of it and want to end our differences.