"Men Must Approve Abortion, Women Are Hosts"

[Lady Scylla]

And, again, I got into a topic I wish I didn't know so much of.

I will never see sperm the same way again, damn it Walrusvylon.

You'll soon turn into me, where you'll have relative knowledge of many things; none of it very useful.

[Neutraligon]

Neutraligon v Internationalist Bastard: Dawn of General

Can I be Poison Ivy?

Beautiful, lethal, and able to control people with hormones?

[Soldati Senza Confini]

And, again, I got into a topic I wish I didn't know so much of.

I will never see sperm the same way again, damn it Walrusvylon.

You'll soon turn into me, where you'll have relative knowledge of many things; none of it very useful.

I already do *cries*

[Neutraligon]

Umm if you are talking about using aborted fetus's for research, those cannot be sold for profit in the US.

Not legally. That doesn't stop planned parenthood from doing it.

Show evidence they have done so. Just so you know you are allowed to attempt to recoop costs from the transportation of fetal tissues.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

And, again, I got into a topic I wish I didn't know so much of.

I will never see sperm the same way again, damn it Walrusvylon.

Thank you.

No problem

[Internationalist Bastard]

Neutraligon v Internationalist Bastard: Dawn of General

Can I be Poison Ivy?

Only if you star in a romantic relationship with Harley Quinn, cuz that ships my life

[Walrusvylon]

Fair enough. Allow me to reiterate: You're lucky that your mom didn't abort you.

It's scary when you realize that they could have.

Can't feel fear if you're not born, and if you're born you have no need to fear it, so that problem kind of solves itself.

You can feel fear long before your are born. How does going from inside a uterus to outside of one change your ability to have emotions? Check yourself before you shrek yourself.

[Paledonn]

A fetus does not exist in a vasectomy. You are not reacting to something that has happened, that is preventative. There was no news, pregnancy, or new life in the world. Your analogy does not stand.

Sure it does.

X person is doing Y thing with their own body. No one is entitled to damages.

No, no child has been conceived. I am fairly certain that your body shares one genetic code. The fetus and the mother do not share the same genetic code. However, they are related. Half of the chromosomes come of the father and half the mother. In a sense, the child is half the fathers.

I am fairly certain you have one circulatory and nervous system. A fetus and the mother do not have the same circulatory and nervous system. Thus the fetus is a seperate body. A mother can die and a baby can live. A baby can die and a mother can live. This would not be the case if they were one organism. If I implanted an African fetus or zygote into a Caucasian, the fetus would not develop as a Caucasian.

If a fetus is part of the mother's body then the mother is a strange 4 armed 4 legged being with multiple sets of genetic code, 2 sets of genitalia, and 2 brains. Compounding on this strange circumstance is that half of these are uselessly stored inside, until they come out and magically are bestowed with value and protection under the law.

Besides from this, why shouldn't a father have access to the decisions involving the unborn child he helped create?

PS: Am not angry or something, and am enjoying having to substantiate my views.

[Neutraligon]

Can't feel fear if you're not born, and if you're born you have no need to fear it, so that problem kind of solves itself.

You can feel fear long before your are born. How does going from inside a uterus from outside of one change your ability to have emotions?

I am sure you can provide evidence for this too.

[Lady Scylla]

Can I be Poison Ivy?

Beautiful, lethal, and able to control people with hormones?

Sign me up.

[The Portland Territory]

A. Knowing the fact that your child's body parts are being sold is also emotionally hard

Umm if you are talking about using aborted fetus's for research, those cannot be sold for profit in the US.

Neither can marijuana in Wisconsin, but it's still relatively widely used there

[Trotza]

Can't feel fear if you're not born, and if you're born you have no need to fear it, so that problem kind of solves itself.

You can feel fear long before your are born. How does going from inside a uterus to outside of one change your ability to have emotions? Check yourself before you shrek yourself.

(That last line though?)

The next time you ask a fetus if it's worried about being aborted and it says "yes", call me.

[Luminesa]

You'll soon turn into me, where you'll have relative knowledge of many things; none of it very useful.

I already do *cries*

I can name multiple classic rock bands' songs by their opening notes, and can explain the meanings behind songs and why they were written...BUT THAT WON'T HELP ME PASS GEOMETRY DANG IT.

Ah, but now I am getting off-topic.

[Neutraligon]

Umm if you are talking about using aborted fetus's for research, those cannot be sold for profit in the US.

Neither can marijuana in Wisconsin, but it's still relatively widely used there

So once again show this is happening. And I believe that most of what is happening in Wisconsin is them not enforcing federal laws.

[Neutraligon]

Besides from this, why shouldn't a father have access to the decisions involving the unborn child he helped create?

PS: Am not angry or something, and am enjoying having to substantiate my views.

because his body is not affected by the pregnancy, nor is the medical procedure happen to his body. he is left physically unaffected by the woman having an abortion.

[Galloism]

Sure it does.

X person is doing Y thing with their own body. No one is entitled to damages.

No, no child has been conceived. I am fairly certain that your body shares one genetic code.

Me, yeah, but my brother has two - he's a chimera. Very rare.

The fetus and the mother do not share the same genetic code. However, they are related.

Neither does my brother's skin and his blood.

Half of the chromosomes come of the father and half the mother. In a sense, the child is half the fathers.

Let's say I accept this.

I am fairly certain you have one circulatory and nervous system. A fetus and the mother do not have the same circulatory and nervous system. Thus the fetus is a seperate body. A mother can die and a baby can live.

This is only true beyond a certain point. About 24 weeks, iirc.

A baby can die and a mother can live. This would not be the case if they were one organism. If I implanted an African fetus or zygote into a Caucasian, the fetus would not develop as a Caucasian.

If a fetus is part of the mother's body then the mother is a strange 4 armed 4 legged being with multiple sets of genetic code, 2 sets of genitalia, and 2 brains. Compounding on this strange circumstance is that half of these are uselessly stored inside, until they come out and magically are bestowed with value and protection under the law.

So I'm going to go back to Neut's question earlier. A woman cuts off her body's attachments to the fetus, not touching the fetus.

What happens next?

Besides from this, why shouldn't a father have access to the decisions involving the unborn child he helped create?

My parents created me. Do they have a right to take a pint of blood from me against my will?

[The Portland Territory]

Neither can marijuana in Wisconsin, but it's still relatively widely used there

So once again show this is happening. And I believe that most of what is happening in Wisconsin is them not enforcing federal laws.

The video, you know which one I'm talking about. My mom was a distributor, she dealt with transportation costs, and to ship jars does not cost $100

[Walrusvylon]

Pregnancy is temporary. Death is permanent.

[Neutraligon]

So once again show this is happening. And I believe that most of what is happening in Wisconsin is them not enforcing federal laws.

The video, you know which one I'm talking about. My mom was a distributor, she dealt with transportation costs, and to ship jars does not cost $100

Umm, shipping jars in a sterile condition, yes it does. and that video was shown to be cut and clipped in ways to make it seem worse then it was by a group known for cutting and clipping things in such a way as to make people say one thing when they did not.

http://time.com/3958621/why-planned-par ... cientists/

Planned Parenthood Senior Director Deborah Nucatola says that receiving a fetus may cost $30-100 per specimen to allege that the organization violated AMA guidelines and federal law. But, as Planned Parenthood explained in a statement, the organization's policy allows recipients of fetal donations to reimburse the organization for costs associated with the donations.

http://www.factcheck.org/2015/07/unspin ... ood-video/

Sawyer, July 20: In reality, $30-100 probably constitutes a loss for [Planned Parenthood]. The costs associated with collection, processing, storage, and inventory and records management for specimens are very high. Most hospitals will provide tissue blocks from surgical procedures (ones no longer needed for clinical purposes, and without identity) for research, and cost recover for their time and effort in the range of $100-500 per case/block. In the realm of tissues for research $30-100 is completely reasonable and normal fee.

[Trotza]

Pregnancy is temporary. Death is permanent.

Except that child will still be there obviously, so you know it's not exactly like that means it's over and done.

[Galloism]

Pregnancy is temporary. Death is permanent.

You know what else is temporary?

Rape. Kidnapping. Aggravated assault. Home invasion. Forced organ donation. Forced blood donation.

[Lady Scylla]

Pregnancy is temporary. Death is permanent.

And like that, as if through some divine inspiration, all of human conflict had been resolved they were ne'er more to despair.

[Walrusvylon]

You can feel fear long before your are born. How does going from inside a uterus to outside of one change your ability to have emotions? Check yourself before you shrek yourself.

(That last line though?)

The next time you ask a fetus if it's worried about being aborted and it says "yes", call me.

You cannot be scared of something you cannot forsee. When the abortion is happening, it would be very scared. Also, fetuses can't respond to my questions.

[Ashmoria]

wow where did that come from?

what way out does a mother have that a father doesn't?

Mothers have physical control of the child the entire time that the safe haven window exists. There is no practical way for a father to ever have physical custody unless she first cedes it to him or she gave birth while in jail (and even then it's unlikely).

Because of the way custody works after birth, even in states where the law is in text gender neutral, women and only women can effectively use such a law, either themselves or through an agent.

A father can use it if the mother consents. A mother can use it regardless of the fathers consent.

This is what's called the law being de facto sexist.

In every state, women have responsibility after birth only if they choose, and men have responsibilities only if the women choose not to surrender them.

It's poll tests with grandfather clauses all over again. I'm saying it's racist, and you're on the side of Oklahoma legislature arguing that because you didn't write "no niggers voting" into the text of the law, it's not racist.

how many times do i have to say that i have no problem with men being able to use the emergency relinquishment law?

if its difficult that's not my problem. if the mother is taking good enough care of the baby that the father is never left alone with it long enough to take it to the firehouse then its probably not an emergency situation at all. (although most states allow fathers to have visitation with their infant children that they don't live with)

[The V O I D]

Pregnancy is temporary. Death is permanent.

And this changes what, exactly?