"Men Must Approve Abortion, Women Are Hosts"

[Internationalist Bastard]

No, unless I did take to much meds today, I do that sometimes. But this is something I always think of when I think of abortion

I doubt it's meds. I only asked because on of my friends always types like that when they're high. I was going to tell you to go lie down, but nevermind.

I think the closest I could relate are those that were my friends who joined service, where I was 'denied'. After a few of them were killed, it just didn't feel quite right, and in someways, I felt like I should've been the one in the casket.

Oh survivors guilt, that's a killer, I could go all night on that, bit that'd be a severe threadjack

[Trotza]

I know, it is awful.

You're lucky your mom was pro-life.

Pro-life people have had abortions.

And Pro-choice people have not had them.

[Walrusvylon]

I know, it is awful.

You're lucky your mom was pro-life.

My mother was and is pro-choice, and she very well could have ended up aborting me due to her pregnancy causing her to be very very sick.

If it did make her very sick she did have the right to abort you. Be happy that she didn't.

[Internationalist Bastard]

Clearly you were destined to be The Batman.

You kind of need to be rich for that...

Damnit why am I Superman! I don't wanna be Superman!

[Luminesa]

...I've never had that, but it sounds rather awful. Is everything okay?

I know, it is awful.

You're lucky your mom was pro-life.

My mom has never been for abortion, but she wasn't active in any ministry until post-Katrina. And she always wanted kids anyway...and then she got three of us!

[Neutraligon]

My mother was and is pro-choice, and she very well could have ended up aborting me due to her pregnancy causing her to be very very sick.

If it did make her very sick she did have the right to abort you. Be happy that she didn't.

I am, she chose not to do so, she was still pro-choice.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

Maybe it doesn't take a lot of calories, but that sperm has to be made of something.

You said it takes a lot of bodily resources, all body resources are measured in their ATP cost because it requires energy to drive the body's processes to create the cells and structures required.

The "calories" in 7.3 are actually not dietary calories by the way, it's even less than I estimated at 10 kcal, these are 7.3 scientific calories, or cal. So the entire process of creating a sperm cell, let alone 1500 per second, is extremely trivial. Your eyelids consume more energy moving than your body does creating sperm.

[Walrusvylon]

Pro-life people have had abortions.

And Pro-choice people have not had them.

Fair enough. Allow me to reiterate: You're lucky that your mom didn't abort you.

It's scary when you realize that they could have.

[Luminesa]

You kind of need to be rich for that...

Damnit why am I Superman! I don't wanna be Superman!

But if you're Superman, you can use 3 Doors Down's "Kryptonite" as your theme song! ^^

[Neutraligon]

You kind of need to be rich for that...

Damnit why am I Superman! I don't wanna be Superman!

Because I am vengeance, I am the night, I AM BATMAN!

[Internationalist Bastard]

I doubt it's meds. I only asked because on of my friends always types like that when they're high. I was going to tell you to go lie down, but nevermind.

I think the closest I could relate are those that were my friends who joined service, where I was 'denied'. After a few of them were killed, it just didn't feel quite right, and in someways, I felt like I should've been the one in the casket.

Oh survivors guilt, that's a killer, I could go all night on that, bit that'd be a severe threadjack

Edit to myself, I will be happy to answer tgs relating to mental health if anyone wants to talk, and tomorrow I may make a thread for it.

[Luminesa]

If it did make her very sick she did have the right to abort you. Be happy that she didn't.

I am, she chose not to do so, she was still pro-choice.

And we are happy you are here!

[Ashmoria]

If it did make her very sick she did have the right to abort you. Be happy that she didn't.

I am, she chose not to do so, she was still pro-choice.

yeah she freely made her choice.

that's a good thing.

its so much worse to be forced to endure a pregnancy that makes you so sick you want to abort it instead.

[Lady Scylla]

Of what? That the human body is efficient? Any physiology book will tell you that much.

That men use less than 10 calories per second to create said sperm? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spermatogenesis

For context, my estimate of 10 calories (or 10kcal) is based upon the energy required for a cell to undergo mitosis and meiosis. For context, mitosis takes about 1/2 hour for somatic cells, so for a gamete cell like spermatocytes we can estimate about half of that, or a quarter of an hour. A typical cell division consumes 10 exp 7 ATP per second.

For reference, there are 7.3 calories in one mole of ATP (6.02214179 × 10 exp 23 molecules of ATP), so you need a shitload of ATP before you can even get to 7.3 calories, and cell division only expends 10 exp 7. In one second, your body expends 15,000,000,000 ATP units in the mitosis part of spermatogenesis, assuming meiosis takes double the amount of ATP units: 45,000,000,000 ATP units.

For context, 6.02214179 x 10 exp 23 is a fuckload of 0s.

Maybe it doesn't take a lot of calories, but that sperm has to be made of something.

Think of your desktop. On this desktop is a file. This file has some scripts in it. These scripts serve certain functions. Take a file from someone else's desktop, now put them together. Match the scripts and run the .exe and voila, you have a specific program. That's it. It's not as marvellous as it sounds. It's just replicated genetic information about you in certain configurations. Bacteria has more information than sperm.

[The Portland Territory]

With adoption as an option - why do we even have abortion?

You do know that:

A: Putting up your child for adoption is incredibly hard. Emotionally it is nigh impossible to do so.

B: Not all orphanages are kind and friendly places.

A. Knowing the fact that your child's body parts are being sold is also emotionally hard

B. Neither are trash cans, your point?

[Internationalist Bastard]

Damnit why am I Superman! I don't wanna be Superman!

Because I am vengeance, I am the night, I AM BATMAN!

Neutraligon v Internationalist Bastard: Dawn of General

[Neutraligon]

I am, she chose not to do so, she was still pro-choice.

yeah she freely made her choice.

that's a good thing.

its so much worse to be forced to endure a pregnancy that makes you so sick you want to abort it instead.

Oh my mom not only did it with me, she also did it with my brother after a good long discussion with my dad. Funny thing, originally my dad and mom did not want children, at all. It was only later that they together made the decision to try for one. I could very easily have never existed.

[Walrusvylon]

Maybe it doesn't take a lot of calories, but that sperm has to be made of something.

You said it takes a lot of bodily resources, all body resources are measured in their ATP cost because it requires energy to drive the body's processes to create the cells and structures required.

The "calories" in 7.3 are actually not dietary calories by the way, it's even less than I estimated at 10 kcal, these are 7.3 scientific calories, or cal. So the entire process of creating a sperm cell, let alone 1500 per second, is extremely trivial. Your eyelids consume more energy moving than your body does creating sperm.

Wow. Perhaps I was wrong. (Bet you don't hear that a lot on NationStates.)

[Soldati Senza Confini]

And, again, I got into a topic I wish I didn't know so much of.

I will never see sperm the same way again, damn it Walrusvylon.

[Galloism]

Then you're ok with children being murdered, but only if it's mostly fathers doing the murdering.

Mothers need a way out, but fathers... fuck em, I don't care how many dead kids there are.

Hypocrisy.

wow where did that come from?

what way out does a mother have that a father doesn't?

Mothers have physical control of the child the entire time that the safe haven window exists. There is no practical way for a father to ever have physical custody unless she first cedes it to him or she gave birth while in jail (and even then it's unlikely).

Because of the way custody works after birth, even in states where the law is in text gender neutral, women and only women can effectively use such a law, either themselves or through an agent.

A father can use it if the mother consents. A mother can use it regardless of the fathers consent.

This is what's called the law being de facto sexist.

In every state, women have responsibility after birth only if they choose, and men have responsibilities only if the women choose not to surrender them.

It's poll tests with grandfather clauses all over again. I'm saying it's racist, and you're on the side of Oklahoma legislature arguing that because you didn't write "no niggers voting" into the text of the law, it's not racist.

[Lady Scylla]

Because I am vengeance, I am the night, I AM BATMAN!

Neutraligon v Internationalist Bastard: Dawn of General

Can I be Poison Ivy?

[Trotza]

And Pro-choice people have not had them.

Fair enough. Allow me to reiterate: You're lucky that your mom didn't abort you.

It's scary when you realize that they could have.

Can't feel fear if you're not born, and if you're born you have no need to fear it, so that problem kind of solves itself.

[Walrusvylon]

And, again, I got into a topic I wish I didn't know so much of.

I will never see sperm the same way again, damn it Walrusvylon.

Thank you.

[Neutraligon]

You do know that:

A: Putting up your child for adoption is incredibly hard. Emotionally it is nigh impossible to do so.

B: Not all orphanages are kind and friendly places.

A. Knowing the fact that your child's body parts are being sold is also emotionally hard

Umm if you are talking about using aborted fetus's for research, those cannot be sold for profit in the US.

[Walrusvylon]

A. Knowing the fact that your child's body parts are being sold is also emotionally hard

Umm if you are talking about using aborted fetus's for research, those cannot be sold for profit in the US.

Not legally. That doesn't stop planned parenthood from doing it.