"Men Must Approve Abortion, Women Are Hosts"

[Lady Scylla]

I have some crazy news for you. Lesbians can raise families too.

I don't believe so. Not in the traditional sense, anyway.

Wow. My SO is going to be delighted to hear this. BRB.

[Utceforp]

Guys, ignore "Knights of Columbia". He's a fascist with nothing of value to contribute.

[Walrusvylon]

Yer a troll

Just because my beliefs make you angry doesn't mean I'm doing it on purpose.

They don't make me angry.

[Neutraligon]

Why does the traditional sense matter. How does two women living together as a married couple prevent them from having a family?

It depends on how you define family.

Have fun trying to do that in a way that is not completely and utterly arbitrary.Of course this is a threadjack so I will not continue to discuss it.

[Finium]

Guys, ignore "Knights of Columbia". He's a fascist with nothing of value to contribute.

I always wanted to be a fascist myself, but I can still contribute.

[Lady Scylla]

And we can't have a family?

Apparently being raised by a lesbian couple doesn't count as a "family".

Boy, I wonder what they think about single-parent family units.

If family is that important, then perhaps everyone should adopt the practise of the Hapsburgs.

[Knights of Columbia]

prison? for not allowing the father a veto?

But they do reflect the facial gymnastics I had.

Look at the guy's flag and name - he's clearly some variety of Fascist. (Or a Fascist in denial.)

There's no point in engaging him, just ignore him.

I am a fascist, thank you for noticing. And why not engage me? We both might learn something. Or are you afraid of argument?

[Walrusvylon]

Guys, ignore "Knights of Columbia". He's a fascist with nothing of value to contribute.

See? I am right. Also, don't throw around the word fascist like an insult or slur. It just demeans the actual horror that facsism is.

[Galloism]

Then you admit children do not have a right to support from both parents.

If you do not have the strength of your convictions, you should abandon them.

I thought you were against mandatory child support from absent fathers?

Abandoning that is one possible solution. There are other nonsexist propositions, but they require substantially more governmental intervention.

My primary concern is lack of sexism in law.

[Ashmoria]

pffft

I am not so rigid that I would let babies die instead of allowing a compassionate law to exist that can save lives.

Then you should support parental relinquishment for both genders - to save lives.

Babies are killed every year by parents who cannot either mentally or financially support their children and have no choice.

It is blatantly hypocritical to support parental relinquishment that in practice can only be used by parents of your preferred gender, in the same way poll tests with grandfather clauses were pure hypocrisy.

I don't have a problem with men relinquishing infants. I'm just not concerned enough to make it my lifes work to change the laws in states that don't allow it.

[Knights of Columbia]

Apparently being raised by a lesbian couple doesn't count as a "family".

Boy, I wonder what they think about single-parent family units.

If family is that important, then perhaps everyone should adopt the practise of the Hapsburgs.

Family is actually the most important factor in the creation and maintenance of Western civilization. Also, completely unrelated. Why does recognizing the importance of family immediately mean that I support inbreeding? You're not making any sense.

[Utceforp]

Guys, ignore "Knights of Columbia". He's a fascist with nothing of value to contribute.

See? I am right. Also, don't throw around the word fascist like an insult or slur. It just demeans the actual horror that facsism is.

"Fascist" is an actual word with an actual definition, and KoC self-admittedly fits that definition.

[Ashmoria]

yes we are.

a woman has the right to control her own body and make her own medical decisions.

Well, as long as the women buys out the other half of the genes before she liquidates, I suppose it's fine.

buys out? whats the price of 23 chromosomes?

[Walrusvylon]

Look at the guy's flag and name - he's clearly some variety of Fascist. (Or a Fascist in denial.)

There's no point in engaging him, just ignore him.

I am a fascist, thank you for noticing. And why not engage me? We both might learn something. Or are you afraid of argument?

I doubt you really are a true fascist. If you in fact are, shame on you.

[Joisha]

Which is again rather funny since it is based around the idea that women are the better caregivers, something that many feminists where fighting against.

Actually, at that time, many feminists were fighting for that notion. Prior to that, men were assumed to be superior parents - or, at least, more needed by their children.

Not exactly, mens at the time were expected to pay for the expenses of every member of the family, even in the case of a divorced wife. So they just gave the children to the father because he was(suposeddly) the parent with more money and the "natural" provider. The Tender Years Doctrine was not exactly a revolution in the field of gender dynamics.

[Utceforp]

Look at the guy's flag and name - he's clearly some variety of Fascist. (Or a Fascist in denial.)

There's no point in engaging him, just ignore him.

I am a fascist, thank you for noticing. And why not engage me? We both might learn something. Or are you afraid of argument?

[Neutraligon]

Well, as long as the women buys out the other half of the genes before she liquidates, I suppose it's fine.

buys out? whats the price of 23 chromosomes?

Depends, some people give it away for free while others sell it to be used in sperm banks. Of course since this is an issue of an unwanted pregnancy I think the assumption is that the sperm was given for free, otherwise they would be doing prostitution.

[Galloism]

Then you should support parental relinquishment for both genders - to save lives.

Babies are killed every year by parents who cannot either mentally or financially support their children and have no choice.

It is blatantly hypocritical to support parental relinquishment that in practice can only be used by parents of your preferred gender, in the same way poll tests with grandfather clauses were pure hypocrisy.

I don't have a problem with men relinquishing infants. I'm just not concerned enough to make it my lifes work to change the laws in states that don't allow it.

You should allow men to relinquish responsibility, just as the law allows women to relinquish responsibilities.

There are numerous cases of unwilling parents facing poverty by order of the court murdering their children. They should have a way out.

[Knights of Columbia]

I am a fascist, thank you for noticing. And why not engage me? We both might learn something. Or are you afraid of argument?

I doubt you really are a true fascist. If you in fact are, shame on you.

I subscribe to and believe in many doctrines of fascism. Also, I can shame too. Shame on you for supporting democracy.

[Trotza]

I obviously don't support this Oklahoman measure, but I would prefer at least an attempt to implement a sort of McCulley male abortion concept (though I'm not too fond of the name) to give men a bit more of an option.

[Knights of Columbia]

I am a fascist, thank you for noticing. And why not engage me? We both might learn something. Or are you afraid of argument?

Nice strawman. Neither do I want to kill anyone, nor was Hitler a fascist. He was a national socialist. Before you rag on me for splitting hairs, there are many noticeable differences in ideology.

[Wallenburg]

You do not live on Earth, do you?

No. I live on Mars, where men apparently come from.

I fucking knew NASA was covering something up!

You literally said that "men have the right to dictate a woman's medical decisions to her".

Show me in writing where I said that. Actually show me the quote where I said "women have the right to dictate a woman's medical decisions to her". I know that someone else asked me a question along those lines to me in an earlier post. Perhaps you got confused?

Here Neutraligon asked, "Why should men have the right to dictate a woman's medical decisions to her?" You then responded with "why shouldn't he?" Anyone with even a kindergarten familiarity with English can put two and two together.

Really? When?

Genital mutilation happening to both girls and boys. Kinda off topic but it's hard to justify bodily sovereignty given that both young girls and boys are subject to things they cannot consent to.

Ah, I see. I'm glad that your standard for human rights reaches as high as the backwards social policy of Islamic theocratic regimes.

Also, you conveniently ignored this part of my post:

Because they're being denied the opportunity to be a father, if that is what the father wants to be.

You aren't entitled to be a parent. Just like no woman is entitled to make a man impregnate her so she can have a child, no man is entitled to force a woman to carry to term so he can have one.

[Walrusvylon]

I doubt you really are a true fascist. If you in fact are, shame on you.

I subscribe to and believe in many doctrines of fascism. Also, I can shame too. Shame on you for supporting democracy.

When has facsism ever worked as a form of government that didn't result in a disaster or a collapse of said government?

[Knights of Columbia]

I don't believe so. Not in the traditional sense, anyway.

Wow. My SO is going to be delighted to hear this. BRB.

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[Joisha]

I obviously don't support this Oklahoman measure, but I would prefer at least an attempt to implement a sort of McCulley male abortion concept (though I'm not too fond of the name) to give men a bit more of an option.

It would be kind of difficult because It would be opposed by both sides of the argument