"Men Must Approve Abortion, Women Are Hosts"

[Gauthier]

Utterly disgusting and disgraceful.

I wouldn't be surprised if some parts in the US turned into a Christian version of one of the worst countries in the world, Saudi Arabia.

But they would be okay to most people since they don't say "Allahu Akbar".

[Calladan]

I have to agree with the senator. Both parties should consent.

And if the baby was conceived during a rape? A woman should REALLY have to find the man who raped her and get his consent for an abortion?

Or a fourteen year old girl is impregnated by her father - she should have his consent before she gets an abortion? She has to tell her doctor, her mother and the world that her father has been abusing her for years before she can have an abortion?

This..... I can't even begin to fathom the mind of a government official who thinks this law is a good idea. And the fact they can justify it with the claim that "women are hosts and no longer have bodily autonomy"?

Also - I am in no way a constitutional scholar in any sense of the word - but doesn't Roe vs Wade give every single woman a right to privacy in regard to the decision to have an abortion? And wouldn't that by definition make this entirely illegal?

[States of Glory]

Pretty bad wording, but if the killing of children is going to be legal, at least get both parents' permission first, eh?

An abortion is a private decision between a a woman and her doctor. A man does not and should have the right to block that decision.

Unless that man is the doctor, of course, but that's neither here nor there.

[Proctopeo]

Pretty bad wording, but if the killing of children is going to be legal, at least get both parents' permission first, eh?

An abortion is a private decision between a a woman and her doctor. A man does not and should have the right to block that decision.

He should be allowed to weigh in. Perhaps required - no right to block the decision, but might as well let him have a say.
And then let men opt out of parenthood, and all is rosy.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

I have to agree with the senator. Both parties should consent.

And if the baby was conceived during a rape? A woman should REALLY have to find the man who raped her and get his consent for an abortion?

Or a fourteen year old girl is impregnated by her father - she should have his consent before she gets an abortion? She has to tell her doctor, her mother and the world that her father has been abusing her for years before she can have an abortion?

This..... I can't even begin to fathom the mind of a government official who thinks this law is a good idea. And the fact they can justify it with the claim that "women are hosts and no longer have bodily autonomy"?

Also - I am in no way a constitutional scholar in any sense of the word - but doesn't Roe vs Wade give every single woman a right to privacy in regard to the decision to have an abortion? And wouldn't that by definition make this entirely illegal?

Well, these 2 instances obviously shouldn't need male consent. But for the instance of "I don't want this baby cuz I don't want it" should be talked about. But IMO, that instance should be illegal.

[Crockerland]

I have to agree with the senator. Both parties should consent.

And if the baby was conceived during a rape? A woman should REALLY have to find the man who raped her and get his consent for an abortion?

"Don't leave your room, you're grounded"
"Even if there's a fire?"

Unspoken, obvious exceptions are unspoken, obvious exceptions.

[Dumb Ideologies]

Huh. So you can't have a respect for basic bodily autonomy without being a feminist?

no but feminism does respect basic bodily autonomy.

Apart from TERFs, SWERFs, sex negative feminists, and feminist organizations and theorists who massage statistics to downplay the proportion of domestic violence victims and sexual assault victims who are men in order to maintain their monopolies on funding and media attention.

...this is turning into "what have the Romans done for us"

[Vassenor]

So what happens if the father refuses consent even when there is a clear medical need for the procedure?

[Alvecia]

An abortion is a private decision between a a woman and her doctor. A man does not and should have the right to block that decision.

He should be allowed to weigh in. Perhaps required - no right to block the decision, but might as well let him have a say.
And then let men opt out of parenthood, and all is rosy.

I don't believe the bloke should have a say in whether or not she has an abortion, but I do think he should have the ability to opt out without legal consequences.

[Ashmoria]

And if the baby was conceived during a rape? A woman should REALLY have to find the man who raped her and get his consent for an abortion?

Or a fourteen year old girl is impregnated by her father - she should have his consent before she gets an abortion? She has to tell her doctor, her mother and the world that her father has been abusing her for years before she can have an abortion?

This..... I can't even begin to fathom the mind of a government official who thinks this law is a good idea. And the fact they can justify it with the claim that "women are hosts and no longer have bodily autonomy"?

Also - I am in no way a constitutional scholar in any sense of the word - but doesn't Roe vs Wade give every single woman a right to privacy in regard to the decision to have an abortion? And wouldn't that by definition make this entirely illegal?

Well, these 2 instances obviously shouldn't need male consent. But for the instance of "I don't want this baby cuz I don't want it" should be talked about. But IMO, that instance should be illegal.

not wanting a baby is an excellent reason to get an abortion. these days you can drop by the doc's office and get a medical abortion at a very early date.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

So what happens if the father refuses consent even when there is a clear medical need for the procedure?

That's why there's c-sections.

[Calladan]

And if the baby was conceived during a rape? A woman should REALLY have to find the man who raped her and get his consent for an abortion?

Or a fourteen year old girl is impregnated by her father - she should have his consent before she gets an abortion? She has to tell her doctor, her mother and the world that her father has been abusing her for years before she can have an abortion?

This..... I can't even begin to fathom the mind of a government official who thinks this law is a good idea. And the fact they can justify it with the claim that "women are hosts and no longer have bodily autonomy"?

Also - I am in no way a constitutional scholar in any sense of the word - but doesn't Roe vs Wade give every single woman a right to privacy in regard to the decision to have an abortion? And wouldn't that by definition make this entirely illegal?

Well, these 2 instances obviously shouldn't need male consent. But for the instance of "I don't want this baby cuz I don't want it" should be talked about. But IMO, that instance should be illegal.

So it's a matter of degrees? If a woman is - say - four weeks pregnant and her husband beats her to within an inch of her life. He goes to jail, and during the trial it comes out there has been years of abuse, but she's been too afraid to leave him. Now he is in jail, she decides to divorce him and get an abortion because she never wanted this child but got pregnant because HE wanted it.

Should SHE have to beg HIM for an abortion for a child SHE never wanted?

There are thousands of shades of gray to decisions like this, and unless the law is going to be written to cover all of them, then quite honestly it should never be written at all.

[States of Glory]

So what happens if the father refuses consent even when there is a clear medical need for the procedure?

Unborn foetuses have a greater right to life than living, breathing human beings. *nods*

[El-Amin Caliphate]

Well, these 2 instances obviously shouldn't need male consent. But for the instance of "I don't want this baby cuz I don't want it" should be talked about. But IMO, that instance should be illegal.

not wanting a baby is an excellent reason to get an abortion. these days you can drop by the doc's office and get a medical abortion at a very early date.

Is this sarcasm or for reals?

[Alvecia]

not wanting a baby is an excellent reason to get an abortion. these days you can drop by the doc's office and get a medical abortion at a very early date.

Is this sarcasm or for reals?

Sarcasm or not, I agree with it.

[The Shady Looking Vukmiri Delegates]

I can sorta see where he is going with this. Sexual intercourse is about realizing, accepting and understanding if things go wrong. One should use the proper birth control and preparation to undergo this act. However if the woman does get pregnant I believe that a man should have a role in the decision making processes of abortion itself, considering that he put effort into conceiving a child as well. If it's a case of something like sexual assault or a smash and pass where the male is not present, then that's understandable and the woman should be able to continue unhindered.

[Ashmoria]

An abortion is a private decision between a a woman and her doctor. A man does not and should have the right to block that decision.

He should be allowed to weigh in. Perhaps required - no right to block the decision, but might as well let him have a say.
And then let men opt out of parenthood, and all is rosy.

so just to make it even harder on him you would call him into the doctors office, let him beg her to keep the pregnancy, and have it be a useless appeal since its her decision and she wouldn't be there if she wasn't sure?

seems a bit cruel.

[Chaotic Seperation]

Okay...I can kind of see, but there are a lot of issues here. First and foremost, the being inside the womans body is still a part of her until it can leave the womb. It's everyone's choice to do whatever they feel is necessary or acceptable to their own body.
Second, what if she doesn't know who the father is? A woman could intentionally ask the wrong guy for his permission...ok, I'm just...no. Agreement? Idk how to word it without feeling like I was just shot back in time a hundred years or so.
Whatever, I get why people want the guy to be involved, but there shouldn't be a law to enforce the sentiment. If a woman is in fact a host, that's accepting the idea that a pregnancy is an illness and the fetus is the virus/bacteria/parasite. We normally treat those according to however the ill person decides in the end.

[Ashmoria]

I can sorta see where he is going with this. Sexual intercourse is about realizing, accepting and understanding if things go wrong. One should use the proper birth control and preparation to undergo this act. However if the woman does get pregnant I believe that a man should have a role in the decision making processes of abortion itself, considering that he put effort into conceiving a child as well. If it's a case of something like sexual assault or a smash and pass where the male is not present, then that's understandable and the woman should be able to continue unhindered.

in the real world men DO get to discuss it whenever it is appropriate for him to do so.

[Ashmoria]

Okay...I can kind of see, but there are a lot of issues here. First and foremost, the being inside the womans body is still a part of her until it can leave the womb. It's everyone's choice to do whatever they feel is necessary or acceptable to their own body.
Second, what if she doesn't know who the father is? A woman could intentionally ask the wrong guy for his permission...ok, I'm just...no. Agreement? Idk how to word it without feeling like I was just shot back in time a hundred years or so.
Whatever, I get why people want the guy to be involved, but there shouldn't be a law to enforce the sentiment. If a woman is in fact a host, that's accepting the idea that a pregnancy is an illness and the fetus is the virus/bacteria/parasite. We normally treat those according to however the ill person decides in the end.

there are 2 issues. one is the idea that the father should have a say. the other is that a woman is just a HOST for the baby.

most people are horrified that the man justified the whole thing by suggesting that a woman is just some kind of vessel for a baby that makes itself.

[Frenequesta]

If it's an undue burden to just notify the spouse, what makes them think that consent is any less?

This..... I can't even begin to fathom the mind of a government official who thinks this law is a good idea. And the fact they can justify it with the claim that "women are hosts and no longer have bodily autonomy"?

Also - I am in no way a constitutional scholar in any sense of the word - but doesn't Roe vs Wade give every single woman a right to privacy in regard to the decision to have an abortion? And wouldn't that by definition make this entirely illegal?

The standard is undue burden. It's hardly absolute.

[Ifreann]

Utterly disgusting and disgraceful.

I wouldn't be surprised if some parts in the US turned into a Christian version of one of the worst countries in the world, Saudi Arabia.

Not allowing a woman to kill her son or daughter without the father's consent and women actually being treated as property by the law are basically the same *nod*

I understand that they feel like that is their body. I feel like it is a separate — what I call them is, is you’re a ‘host.’ And you know when you enter into a relationship you’re going to be that host and so, you know, if you pre-know that then take all precautions and don’t get pregnant.

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And if the baby was conceived during a rape? A woman should REALLY have to find the man who raped her and get his consent for an abortion?

"Don't leave your room, you're grounded"
"Even if there's a fire?"

Unspoken, obvious exceptions are unspoken, obvious exceptions.

Exceptions kinda need to be written into laws.

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So what happens if the father refuses consent even when there is a clear medical need for the procedure?

What happens if the father wants the mother to have an abortion but she doesn't want to have one? Since his wishes override hers in the opposite case, do they also in this case? The senator's reasoning would suggest so.

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So what happens if the father refuses consent even when there is a clear medical need for the procedure?

That's why there's c-sections.

Do you think that terminating a pregnancy somehow doesn't count as an abortion if its done by c-section?

[The One True Benxboro Empire]

Utterly disgusting and disgraceful.

I wouldn't be surprised if some parts in the US turned into a Christian version of one of the worst countries in the world, Saudi Arabia.

But they would be okay to most people since they don't say "Allahu Akbar".

"GLORIA DEUM! THE BENX IS WITH US!"

[Senkaku]

Ah yes! Welcome to Saudi Arabia!

Not allowing a woman to kill her son or daughter without the father's consent and women actually being treated as property by the law are basically the same *nod*

I too would want to have to get written permission from my rapist to get an abortion for a baby I can't support

[Gauthier]

So what happens if the father refuses consent even when there is a clear medical need for the procedure?

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