"Men Must Approve Abortion, Women Are Hosts"

[Ifreann]

For some reason I feel like this dude talks like he's a high schooler.

That's the cool new way to get political power in America.

[Neutraligon]

For some reason I feel like this dude talks like he's a high schooler.

That's the cool new way to get political power in America.

I thought that was talking like you where senile.

[Ashmoria]

That's the cool new way to get political power in America.

I thought that was talking like you where senile.

trump talks like a 2nd grader writes.

[Galloism]

I thought that was talking like you where senile.

trump talks like a 2nd grader writes.

I'd be careful about saying stuff like that.

2nd graders the world over might file a class action lawsuit against you for slander.

[New Larthinia]

I've been accused of being a 'goddamn fuckin liberal' before.
Why yes I do believe in civil rights thank you for noticing.

But the libs take it to the next level

[Galloism]

I've been accused of being a 'goddamn fuckin liberal' before.
Why yes I do believe in civil rights thank you for noticing.

But the libs take it to the next level

Ultra civil rights?

[Ashmoria]

trump talks like a 2nd grader writes.

I'd be careful about saying stuff like that.

2nd graders the world over might file a class action lawsuit against you for slander.

lol

i volunteered in the local school last year and helping 2nd graders write essays on <whatever> end up just like a trump speech.

"cowboys take care of cows. cows are good. cowboys are good."

[Mechanisburg]

I've been accused of being a 'goddamn fuckin liberal' before.
Why yes I do believe in civil rights thank you for noticing.

But the libs take it to the next level

Oh my, we liberals think people should have too many human rights!

What does this even mean?

[Ifreann]

But the libs take it to the next level

Oh my, we liberals think people should have too many human rights!

What does this even mean?

"liberals bad!"

[Gamergirl90]

I fail to see why this is a problem.

isn't everyone (who you want to associate with) a liberal feminist these days?

it's a bad insult, right? Like, "hey, you! You're an attractive and successful person, SO THERE!"

[Ashmoria]

I've been accused of being a 'goddamn fuckin liberal' before.
Why yes I do believe in civil rights thank you for noticing.

But the libs take it to the next level

EVERYONE gets civil rights?

we BELIEVE those who tell us that they are being discriminated against?

ohmygodno

[Dylar]

But the libs take it to the next level

EVERYONE gets civil rights?

we BELIEVE those who tell us that they are being discriminated against?

ohmygodno

Now, now, no need to start a fight on political affilations. That's for another thread, at another time.

[Neutraligon]

EVERYONE gets civil rights?

we BELIEVE those who tell us that they are being discriminated against?

ohmygodno

Now, now, no need to start a fight on political affilations. That's for another thread, at another time.

...Why are you talking to the poster who was replying to a comment trying to make it sound like liberal feminism is bad as if they were the one's starting a fight about political affiliation?

[Soldati Senza Confini]

"For some reason I feel like this dude talks like he's a high schooler."

That's the thing though, isn't it?

If you notice in this thread, beyond the usual abortion stuff, the entire argument FOR this... "bill", if you can call it that, is basically being defended by people with the knowledgebase of a high schooler who DEMAND, they're not just asking, they're DEMANDING to have a position of power and trust in the relationship.

"WHY ARE YOU NOT LETTING ME HAVE A SAY IN YOUR PREGNANCY?! YOU CAN TOTALLY TRUST ME! BELIEVE ME! I MAY NOT KNOW SHIT, I MAY NOT BE CAPABLE ENOUGH, BUT THAT DOESN'T MATTER! I IMPREGNATED YOU SO I HAVE A FUCKING RIGHT TO TELL YOU WHAT YOU CAN AND CAN'T DO!"

Man, if that was the way one could get a job or be an authority in a field, I'd be fucking Einstein by now.

[Galloism]

"For some reason I feel like this dude talks like he's a high schooler."

That's the thing though, isn't it?

If you notice in this thread, beyond the usual abortion stuff, the entire argument FOR this... "bill", if you can call it that, is basically being defended by people with the knowledgebase of a high schooler who DEMAND, they're not just asking, they're DEMANDING to have a position of power and trust in the relationship.

"WHY ARE YOU NOT LETTING ME HAVE A SAY IN YOUR PREGNANCY?! YOU CAN TOTALLY TRUST ME! BELIEVE ME! I MAY NOT KNOW SHIT, I MAY NOT BE CAPABLE ENOUGH, BUT THAT DOESN'T MATTER! I IMPREGNATED YOU SO I HAVE A FUCKING RIGHT TO TELL YOU WHAT YOU CAN AND CAN'T DO!"

Man, if that was the way one could get a job or be an authority in a field, I'd be fucking Einstein by now.

Even if I was gay, I wouldn't fuck Einstein.

But hey, whatever floats your boat.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

"For some reason I feel like this dude talks like he's a high schooler."

That's the thing though, isn't it?

If you notice in this thread, beyond the usual abortion stuff, the entire argument FOR this... "bill", if you can call it that, is basically being defended by people with the knowledgebase of a high schooler who DEMAND, they're not just asking, they're DEMANDING to have a position of power and trust in the relationship.

"WHY ARE YOU NOT LETTING ME HAVE A SAY IN YOUR PREGNANCY?! YOU CAN TOTALLY TRUST ME! BELIEVE ME! I MAY NOT KNOW SHIT, I MAY NOT BE CAPABLE ENOUGH, BUT THAT DOESN'T MATTER! I IMPREGNATED YOU SO I HAVE A FUCKING RIGHT TO TELL YOU WHAT YOU CAN AND CAN'T DO!"

Man, if that was the way one could get a job or be an authority in a field, I'd be fucking Einstein by now.

Even if I was gay, I wouldn't fuck Einstein.

But hey, whatever floats your boat.

I'd be fucking a female authority in the field of physics, actually. That way I can claim I am an authority in physics.

After all, fucking someone and getting them pregnant means you get to tell them what to do even if you have no idea what the fuck you're doing, somehow.

[Gauthier]

Even if I was gay, I wouldn't fuck Einstein.

But hey, whatever floats your boat.

I'd be fucking a female authority in the field of physics, actually. That way I can claim I am an authority in physics.

After all, fucking someone and getting them pregnant means you get to tell them what to do even if you have no idea what the fuck you're doing, somehow.

"It's blue? Guess what bitch, cold fusion is a fact now."

[The of Japan]

"For some reason I feel like this dude talks like he's a high schooler."

That's the thing though, isn't it?

If you notice in this thread, beyond the usual abortion stuff, the entire argument FOR this... "bill", if you can call it that, is basically being defended by people with the knowledgebase of a high schooler who DEMAND, they're not just asking, they're DEMANDING to have a position of power and trust in the relationship.

"WHY ARE YOU NOT LETTING ME HAVE A SAY IN YOUR PREGNANCY?! YOU CAN TOTALLY TRUST ME! BELIEVE ME! I MAY NOT KNOW SHIT, I MAY NOT BE CAPABLE ENOUGH, BUT THAT DOESN'T MATTER! I IMPREGNATED YOU SO I HAVE A FUCKING RIGHT TO TELL YOU WHAT YOU CAN AND CAN'T DO!"

Man, if that was the way one could get a job or be an authority in a field, I'd be fucking Einstein by now.

So everyone defending the provision are stupid high schoolers? I myself don't support it, but name calling seems like a bit much.

[Dylar]

did this thread just die from everyone not fighting back in forth and in circles? Or is it just old news that no one cares about anymore? Either way, back to Forum 7 with me!

[Neutraligon]

did this thread just die from everyone not fighting back in forth and in circles? Or is it just old news that no one cares about anymore?

What's the point of continuing to comment if there is no actual discussion taking place?

[Neutraligon]

"For some reason I feel like this dude talks like he's a high schooler."

That's the thing though, isn't it?

If you notice in this thread, beyond the usual abortion stuff, the entire argument FOR this... "bill", if you can call it that, is basically being defended by people with the knowledgebase of a high schooler who DEMAND, they're not just asking, they're DEMANDING to have a position of power and trust in the relationship.

"WHY ARE YOU NOT LETTING ME HAVE A SAY IN YOUR PREGNANCY?! YOU CAN TOTALLY TRUST ME! BELIEVE ME! I MAY NOT KNOW SHIT, I MAY NOT BE CAPABLE ENOUGH, BUT THAT DOESN'T MATTER! I IMPREGNATED YOU SO I HAVE A FUCKING RIGHT TO TELL YOU WHAT YOU CAN AND CAN'T DO!"

Man, if that was the way one could get a job or be an authority in a field, I'd be fucking Einstein by now.

So everyone defending the provision are stupid high schoolers? I myself don't support it, but name calling seems like a bit much.

At no point did the person claim that only high schoolers support the bill, rather that the knowledge level is at the high school level.

[Dylar]

did this thread just die from everyone not fighting back in forth and in circles? Or is it just old news that no one cares about anymore?

What's the point of continuing to comment if there is no actual discussion taking place?

There is no point, just wondering if it died or if it went dormant until someone decides to start a fight.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

So everyone defending the provision are stupid high schoolers? I myself don't support it, but name calling seems like a bit much.

If their only defense is "We fucked and inseminated a woman so I demand to be heard by them and for them to trust me, even if I haven't showed why they should trust me or hear me"? Yes, yes they are posing a defense only a high schooler would. Note, I am not saying they are "stupid high schoolers", but rather that their defense is basically what a stupid high schooler would make to demand to be trusted.

Actual adults who, you know, do adult things, don't demand to be heard or to be trusted, they prove they can be trusted and that their opinions are sound. That demanding bit is high school cafeteria shit, and it should be treated as such.

Whether you're working, or you're living with someone, you don't "demand" anything. You can only demand something when someone owes you something. People don't owe you shit when it comes to it being either trust, or power over them.

[The V O I D]

After seeing some of the arguments employed by the pro-life side and supporting side, I have come to the conclusion that they either cover their eyes or simply ignore the counterarguments that disprove their arguments in the first place. Let's see if I can fix that:

Bodily autonomy is always more important than life. The fetus does not matter - it doesn't matter if that fetus could become the next FDR/JFK or if that fetus could be the next Hitler - it does not matter. What is up for debate here is bodily autonomy, and pretty much all the pro-choicers here have been pointing that out. The woman has ownership and sovereignty over every aspect of her body. Even if we give human rights to the fetus, fine; sure. The fetus has bodily autonomy. It still resides in the woman's uterus, uses the woman's resources, and the woman's bodily space. This means the fetus is in constant violation of the woman's bodily sovereignty every single moment it resides inside the woman, if the woman does not wish to be pregnant and seeks an abortion. Abortion, if she chooses it, is the solution and protection of the woman's bodily sovereignty.

There, are we clear now? Don't think you can ignore this one. Try some new arguments, please.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

At no point did the person claim that only high schoolers support the bill, rather that the knowledge level is at the high school level.

More accurately, their knowledge about people's relationships can be boiled down to the naivette of a high school kid.

When it comes to relationships, shit's hard, yo'.

There's plenty of variables you cannot plan for, including financials. You simply have to show you're better at managing things as they spring up in order for someone to trust you with more responsibility. Being the one who calls the shots in a relationship doesn't happen overnight and simply because I am the man. It happens because one proves to be more competent at calling the shots than the other. When it comes to abortion, that's a really hard decision, and you have to prove a lot more than simply being able to manage things in order for someone to trust you at that level. I don't know what your standard is, but I'd think a reasonable standard is to show they can competently manage their emotions and not let their emotions overwhelm them and choose what's idealistic over what's practical, if a woman is going to leave such an important decision to a man.

If my girlfriend/wife proved to be better at adapting and calling the shots then she probably will be the one who's going to be making the decisions at home. I'd trust anyone who can make competent decisions constantly any day of the week rather than someone who demands for me to trust them in making competent decisions.

The entire concept of the man always dictating what the woman should do falls apart if the man is incompetent. No person will want to live with someone who likes to call the shots but can hardly tie their shoes.