NATION

PASSWORD

BLM leader calls whites "subhumans"

For discussion and debate about anything. (Not a roleplay related forum; out-of-character commentary only.)

Advertisement

Remove ads

User avatar
Hirota
Negotiator
 
Posts: 7318
Founded: Jan 22, 2004
Left-Leaning College State

Postby Hirota » Tue Feb 14, 2017 1:50 am

It's a tricky one.

On one hand, the leaders of any movement have more influence than it's rank and file, and therefore the opinions of a leader can easily (and probably unfairly) be taken as representative of the whole. I doubt most BLM advocates endorse such a view, but I'm a member of a group with much near non-existent leadership who regularly gets smeared as a broad demographic responsible for all the evil in the world, so I can relate to how the actions of one member can be twisted and exaggerated to reflect the whole by the press and whoever is opposed to that group.

On the other hand, it is down to BLM as a whole to decide if they want to allow racist hate-filled rhetoric to be repeated by this individual. If they did then it can easily be taken to be implicit endorsement of her views. Since this is the second time she has been in hot water for this kind of racism, it makes sense that many people believe BLM is as bad as the monsters it claims to fight. It's difficult to say they are wrong and dismiss their claims outright.

It's down to BLM to police their own and decide if they want this kind of shit to stick, or to be washed off.
Last edited by Hirota on Tue Feb 14, 2017 1:58 am, edited 3 times in total.
When a wise man points at the moon the imbecile examines the finger - Confucius
Known to trigger Grammar Nazis, Spelling Nazis, Actual Nazis, the emotionally stunted and pedants.
Those affected by the views, opinions or general demeanour of this poster should review this puppy picture. Those affected by puppy pictures should consider investing in an isolation tank.

Economic Left/Right: -3.25, Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.03
Isn't it curious how people will claim they are against tribalism, then pigeonhole themselves into tribes?

It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it.
I use obviously in italics to emphasise the conveying of sarcasm. If I've put excessive obviously's into a post that means I'm being sarcastic

User avatar
Calladan
Minister
 
Posts: 3064
Founded: Jul 28, 2016
Ex-Nation

Postby Calladan » Tue Feb 14, 2017 2:39 am

PaNTuXIa wrote:http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017/02/wow-black-lives-matter-leader-white-people-sub-human-blacks-can-kill-whites-power/
https://heatst.com/culture-wars/black-l ... c-defects/
Hoo boy.

A Black Lives Matter leader has come under fire after arguing on social media that white people are “sub-human” and suffer from “recessive genetic defects,” and musing about how the race could be wiped out.

In a Facebook post, Black Lives Matter Toronto co-founder Yusra Khogali went on a rant, arguing that black people are the superior race because white people posses “genetic defects” that make them lesser humans, according to the Toronto Sun.

She continued explaining her theory, claiming white people are lesser because “[they] have a higher concentration of enzyme inhibitors that suppress melanin production. They are genetically deficient because melanin is present at the inception of life.”

“Melanin enables black skin to capture light and hold it in its memory mode which reveals that blackness converts light into knowledge. Melanin directly communicates with cosmic energy,” she added.

Khogali then proclaimed: “White ppl are recessive genetic defects. This is factual.”

The Black Lives Matter leader then wondered how the white race could be wiped out. According to her, “Black ppl simply through their dominant genes can literally wipe out the white race if we had the power to.”

“Do you ever wonder how black ppl after centuries of colonial violence, genocide and destruction—no matter what systems created to make us extinct… How we keep coming back? It is because we are superhumxns,” she added.


OPINION
This is racism. The MSM will refuse to cover this, because it doesn't fit their narrative, but minorities can be racist too.

Why are celebrities like Beyonce still glorifying this hate group?

This is why the alt-right is growing. Because the left holds a ridiculous double standard and refuses to call out racism when it's on their side.

Thoughts?


Well - my first thought is that neither article, nor the original post, mentions that these comments were apparently written in 2015 (October apparent). I am not saying that makes them any better, but it does make me wonder WHY they are being brought up now, as if it just happened, with no context, no date, no mention of date.

Almost as if someone wants to make it look like this is happening in real time - as if it is a reaction to events in the USA now, as opposed to something that happened nearly eighteen months ago. As if someone wants to cause shock and outrage and hatred towards this woman NOW as opposed to wondering why she wrote it eighteen months ago, and finding out if - in the past year and a half - she has changed her point of view.

And my second thought is - how many others in BLM share this view? How many others are utterly appalled by it? Why is it AUTOMATICALLY assumed that members of Black Lives Matter must follow every thought their leader has?

When a radical Muslim blows himself up, the entire right-wing condemns Islam. Yet when a radical Christian blows himself up, the entire right says "It was one guy acting alone". Now that there is a post from eighteen months ago suggesting the co-founder of BLM has some offensive views, the right is going to tar and feather the whole of BLM with the same views?

Isn't there a word for judging an entire group of people by the same standards just because they have one thing in common? (I know the word is on the tip of my tongue...... can't quite remember it right now......).

These views are offensive. But the post is eighteen months old (and there is no mention made of it in either news story or the original post, which is very curious and more than a little questionable) and it is a post from one person in a huge organisation. I think - at the very least - we should ask more questions before jumping on the "THIS IS RACISM AND BLM IS A HATE GROUP" bandwagon that people seem eager to leap on to.
Tara A McGill, Ambassador to Lucinda G Doyle III
"Always be yourself, unless you can be Zathras. Then be Zathras"
A Rough Guide To Calladan | The Seven Years of Darkness | Ambassador McGill's Facebook Page
"Give me your tired, your poor, Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, providing they are Christian & white" - Trump

User avatar
Uxupox
Postmaster-General
 
Posts: 13447
Founded: Nov 13, 2014
Ex-Nation

Postby Uxupox » Tue Feb 14, 2017 3:08 am

The BLM has always been a terrorist organization akin to the KKK. This ain't something new.
Economic Left/Right: 0.00
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 0.00

User avatar
Magical Cynicism
Civil Servant
 
Posts: 7
Founded: Feb 13, 2017
Ex-Nation

Postby Magical Cynicism » Tue Feb 14, 2017 3:19 am

Hansdeltania wrote:Which BLM are we talking about here? The one that says "Kill all cops!" or the ones that demand police accountability?

The co-founder of BLM claimed this, I think it's pretty obvious what that means.

Another example that ideal =/= practical application.

Cynicism 1 idealism 0
''The only thing that keeps me living is the fact I haven't committed suicide yet''
Moral Nihilist, Cynic

User avatar
Imperium Sidhicum
Senator
 
Posts: 4324
Founded: May 28, 2013
Ex-Nation

Postby Imperium Sidhicum » Tue Feb 14, 2017 3:23 am

I for one find remarks like this from someone in a position of authority within that poisonous little group a good thing. Statements like that discredit BLM as whole, detract moderate members from it, and will hopefully serve to relegate it to the fringe of extremists where it belongs, to be tolerated by the authorities while they are merely a nuisance, and cracked down on brutally if they become anything more than that.

In truth, I wouldn't be surprised if the person who made this statement is actually a stooge for the authorities, infiltrated there to discredit and divide the movement with comments like that, radicalize the hardcore members and provide a lawful excuse to dismantle the group by force. It's been done in the past with commie and white supremacist groups.
Freedom doesn't mean being able to do as one please, but rather not to do as one doesn't please.

A fool sees religion as the truth. A smart man sees religion as a lie. A ruler sees religion as a useful tool.

The more God in one's mouth, the less in one's heart.

User avatar
Ergoth I
Secretary
 
Posts: 29
Founded: Jan 27, 2017
Ex-Nation

Postby Ergoth I » Tue Feb 14, 2017 3:30 am

Hansdeltania wrote:Which BLM are we talking about here? The one that says "Kill all cops!" or the ones that demand police accountability?


They are one and the same.

Also can we please, oh please, oh please stop this nonsense that "blacks cant be racists" or "white people in america cant experience racism" and stop breaking racism down into sub-groups to make it fit people's specific narratives.
Last edited by Ergoth I on Tue Feb 14, 2017 3:33 am, edited 1 time in total.

User avatar
Tananat
Diplomat
 
Posts: 779
Founded: Mar 02, 2016
Ex-Nation

Postby Tananat » Tue Feb 14, 2017 3:30 am

Magical Cynicism wrote:
Hansdeltania wrote:Which BLM are we talking about here? The one that says "Kill all cops!" or the ones that demand police accountability?

The co-founder of BLM claimed this, I think it's pretty obvious what that means.

Another example that ideal =/= practical application.

Cynicism 1 idealism 0

The co-founder of the Toronto chapter of BLM, for the record, which isn't the same as being a co-founder of BLM as a whole.

User avatar
Vassenor
Khan of Spam
 
Posts: 66773
Founded: Nov 11, 2010
Left-wing Utopia

Postby Vassenor » Tue Feb 14, 2017 3:31 am

Ergoth I wrote:
Hansdeltania wrote:Which BLM are we talking about here? The one that says "Kill all cops!" or the ones that demand police accountability?


They are one and the same


Well then I guess all Trump supporters are hardcore white nationalists then. If we're judging massive groups by their vocal minorities.
Jenny / Sailor Astraea
WOMAN

MtF trans and proud - She / Her / etc.
100% Asbestos Free

Team Mystic
#iamEUropean

"Have you ever had a moment online, when the need to prove someone wrong has outweighed your own self-preservation instincts?"

User avatar
SUNTHREIT
Diplomat
 
Posts: 703
Founded: Oct 12, 2015
Ex-Nation

Postby SUNTHREIT » Tue Feb 14, 2017 4:27 am

PaNTuXIa wrote:"It is because we are superhumxns,”

WE
Last edited by SUNTHREIT on Tue Feb 14, 2017 4:28 am, edited 1 time in total.
No matter what you do, hold back the end of history however you can.

User avatar
Dumb Ideologies
Post Czar
 
Posts: 45248
Founded: Sep 30, 2007
Mother Knows Best State

Postby Dumb Ideologies » Tue Feb 14, 2017 4:33 am

BLMs ideas are intriguing to me and I wish to subscribe to their Beobachter
Are these "human rights" in the room with us right now?
★彡 Professional pessimist. Reactionary socialist and gamer liberationist. Coffee addict. Fun at parties 彡★
Freedom is when people agree with you, and the more people you can force to act like they agree the freer society is
You are the trolley problem's conductor. You could stop the train in time but you do not. Nobody knows you're part of the equation. You satisfy your bloodlust and get away with it every time

User avatar
Ergoth I
Secretary
 
Posts: 29
Founded: Jan 27, 2017
Ex-Nation

Postby Ergoth I » Tue Feb 14, 2017 4:39 am

Vassenor wrote:
Ergoth I wrote:
They are one and the same


Well then I guess all Trump supporters are hardcore white nationalists then. If we're judging massive groups by their vocal minorities.


As usual you don't know what you're talking about...this is quite tiresome really. :roll:

Both groups referenced, the ones saying "kill all cops", and the ones saying "we just want accountability" are part of BLM a whole...one sub-group may have warped/radical views, but they're still part of the same group as those who dont have the warped/radical views falling under the BLM umbrella.

Just like some trump supporters are in fact white nationalists, some are not, they are both trump supporters however.
Or some women who call themselves feminists want equality, some women who call themselves feminists think women should be superior to men, they dont agree but they're still both feminists.
Last edited by Ergoth I on Tue Feb 14, 2017 4:42 am, edited 1 time in total.

User avatar
Deutsch Mitteleuropa
Envoy
 
Posts: 324
Founded: Dec 27, 2016
Ex-Nation

Postby Deutsch Mitteleuropa » Tue Feb 14, 2017 4:41 am

Vassenor wrote:
Ergoth I wrote:
They are one and the same


Well then I guess all Trump supporters are hardcore white nationalists then. If we're judging massive groups by their vocal minorities.


That's an okay analogy, but keep in mind that while BLM is a popular movement, Trump supporters are a broad, completely unorganized demographic. So I think it'd be easier for BLM's creators to make their racist splinters piss off.
I do not use NS Stats.
_[' ]_
(-_Q) If you support capitalism, put this in your signature

The Berliner News: Mitteleuropa grants limited sovereignty to its regions based on nationality | Yet another constitution | The Kaiser still hasn't grown hair on his face. What a wuss!

User avatar
Crockerland
Negotiator
 
Posts: 5456
Founded: Oct 15, 2015
Ex-Nation

Postby Crockerland » Tue Feb 14, 2017 5:09 am

BLM being racist? Whoa, how unexpected!
Free Taiwan, Hong Kong, and Tibet.
Gay not Queer / Why Abortion is Genocide / End Gay Erasure
PROUD SUPPORTER OF:
National Liberalism, Nuclear & Geothermal Power, GMOs, Vaccines, Biodiesel, LGBTIA equality, Universal Healthcare, Universal Basic Income, Constitutional Carry, Emotional Support Twinks, Right to Life


User avatar
HMS Queen Elizabeth
Ambassador
 
Posts: 1991
Founded: Feb 06, 2017
Ex-Nation

Postby HMS Queen Elizabeth » Tue Feb 14, 2017 5:13 am

Hirota wrote:It's a tricky one.

On one hand, the leaders of any movement have more influence than it's rank and file, and therefore the opinions of a leader can easily (and probably unfairly) be taken as representative of the whole. I doubt most BLM advocates endorse such a view, but I'm a member of a group with much near non-existent leadership who regularly gets smeared as a broad demographic responsible for all the evil in the world, so I can relate to how the actions of one member can be twisted and exaggerated to reflect the whole by the press and whoever is opposed to that group.

On the other hand, it is down to BLM as a whole to decide if they want to allow racist hate-filled rhetoric to be repeated by this individual. If they did then it can easily be taken to be implicit endorsement of her views. Since this is the second time she has been in hot water for this kind of racism, it makes sense that many people believe BLM is as bad as the monsters it claims to fight. It's difficult to say they are wrong and dismiss their claims outright.

It's down to BLM to police their own and decide if they want this kind of shit to stick, or to be washed off.

Those opinions aren't this person's own, they're Nation of Islam doctrine. BLM is not likely going to purge the Nation of Islam.
Crown the King with Might!
Let the King be strong,
Hating guile and wrong,
He that scorneth pride.
Fearing truth and right,
Feareth nought beside;
Crown the King with Might!

User avatar
Hirota
Negotiator
 
Posts: 7318
Founded: Jan 22, 2004
Left-Leaning College State

Postby Hirota » Tue Feb 14, 2017 5:22 am

HMS Queen Elizabeth wrote:Those opinions aren't this person's own, they're Nation of Islam doctrine. BLM is not likely going to purge the Nation of Islam.
I saw she'd reportedly asked for strength from Allah to resist killing men and whites. I kind of worry about anyone who needs religion to prevent them turning into some sort of genocidal maniac.

Add to that her apparent qualifications (depending on if you think Womyns studies is a real thing), and you've just got a perfect storm condensed into one really, really crazy person.
Last edited by Hirota on Tue Feb 14, 2017 5:23 am, edited 1 time in total.
When a wise man points at the moon the imbecile examines the finger - Confucius
Known to trigger Grammar Nazis, Spelling Nazis, Actual Nazis, the emotionally stunted and pedants.
Those affected by the views, opinions or general demeanour of this poster should review this puppy picture. Those affected by puppy pictures should consider investing in an isolation tank.

Economic Left/Right: -3.25, Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.03
Isn't it curious how people will claim they are against tribalism, then pigeonhole themselves into tribes?

It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it.
I use obviously in italics to emphasise the conveying of sarcasm. If I've put excessive obviously's into a post that means I'm being sarcastic

User avatar
Esternial
Technical Moderator
 
Posts: 54369
Founded: May 09, 2009
Inoffensive Centrist Democracy

Postby Esternial » Tue Feb 14, 2017 6:45 am

Don't see anyone holding the moral high ground here, considering this entire narrative seems to be based on ignoring leftists that do call out racism on the left and the right.

Pot. Kettle. Black/White (I don't discriminate).

User avatar
Galloism
Khan of Spam
 
Posts: 72197
Founded: Aug 20, 2005
Father Knows Best State

Postby Galloism » Tue Feb 14, 2017 6:45 am

Uiiop wrote:
Galloism wrote:Manslaughter is a bad thimg, but I think you would find it suspicious if when a black man was killed in cold blood I called it manslaughter but only whites could be truly murdered.

Granted but the analogy falls apart since the distinction isn't about viewing one practically the same action more lightly than the other.
I guess one can say that racially motivated murder isn't in itself racist no matter who did it to whom. Racism only actually comes in when it's supported by the state.
I'm not Sciongrad though so maybe they agree with this or they think something else entirely.

The analogy does not fall apart - because it IS about viewing one practically the same action more lightly than the other based on the identity of the victim. To use a very specific (and true) example, England has both sexual assault in the first degree and rape statutes. They have the same maximum penalty. Only women can be raped, and rape is viewed, by society at large, as more "heinous" than sexual assault, and whether or not a person is raped is based on the gender of the victim.

This is wrong. It's also wrong when people do it with racism "Oh, that isn't REALLY racism. It's a form of bigotry sure, but it's not racism."

It's meant to, and does, diminish the wrongness of the act into a less wrong act in the minds of the recipient.

Words are symbols. Symbols have meanings. The reason they've reinvented the definition of racism is to try and make sure that their symbols diminish the wrongness of acts committed against certain people.
Venicilian: wow. Jesus hung around with everyone. boys, girls, rich, poor(mostly), sick, healthy, etc. in fact, i bet he even went up to gay people and tried to heal them so they would be straight.
The Parkus Empire: Being serious on NSG is like wearing a suit to a nude beach.
New Kereptica: Since power is changed energy over time, an increase in power would mean, in this case, an increase in energy. As energy is equivalent to mass and the density of the government is static, the volume of the government must increase.


User avatar
Stormwrath
Negotiator
 
Posts: 6898
Founded: Feb 08, 2014
Ex-Nation

Postby Stormwrath » Tue Feb 14, 2017 6:52 am

I think I need a swig after reading this. This just makes me want to cringe into a black hole.

Which is not racist, no. Not at all! :unsure:

User avatar
Jello Biafra
Negotiator
 
Posts: 6401
Founded: Antiquity
Left-wing Utopia

Postby Jello Biafra » Tue Feb 14, 2017 7:03 am

Obvious troll is obvious.

User avatar
Nimzonia
Ambassador
 
Posts: 1671
Founded: Feb 27, 2004
Capitalist Paradise

Postby Nimzonia » Tue Feb 14, 2017 7:29 am

Sounds like a few idiots in Toronto getting a disproportionate amount of attention, in the hopes of tarring the majority of normal protesters with the same brush.

User avatar
Pavelania
Envoy
 
Posts: 311
Founded: Nov 15, 2016
Ex-Nation

Postby Pavelania » Tue Feb 14, 2017 7:39 am

The left wing liberals are losing because the sleeping giant of the true people of America has awoken, and realized the corruption and irony in the left wing liberals and their ideas.
Pro: Trump/Pence, Gun rights, Christianity, Aviation, Centrists, Libertarians, Conservatives, Ronald Reagan, Israel, More Jobs, Efficient/Renewable Energy, Hunting,
Freedom of Speech

Anti: Obama, Clintons, Bernie Sanders, Communism, Islam, Terrorists, Globalization, UN, Abortion, Pagans, SJWs, Liberalism, Socialism, BLM, Nuclear Weapons, Sharia Law, Fake News, LGBTQ, Feminism, PC Culture, Stupid Chemtrail Conspiracy (Bro it's just condensed water vapor!), Flat Earthers, News Media Reporting on Aviation (They always get it horribly wrong), the way the general public sees general aviation...
YouTube|The Truth About "Assault Weapons"|PNW Simulations
PAC
Aviation to me is more then a hobby, it's a passion that us pilots love!

Totally didn't draw my flag on MSpaint...

User avatar
Community Values
Minister
 
Posts: 2880
Founded: Nov 14, 2015
Ex-Nation

Postby Community Values » Tue Feb 14, 2017 7:40 am

Pavelania wrote:The left wing liberals are losing because the sleeping giant of the true people of America has awoken, and realized the corruption and irony in the left wing liberals and their ideas.


What does this have to do with the co-founder of the Toronto BLM? I never knew the sleeping giant of America was about to invade.
"Corrupted by wealth and power, your government is like a restaurant with only one dish. They've got a set of Republican waiters on one side and a set of Democratic waiters on the other side. But no matter which set of waiters brings you the dish, the legislative grub is all prepared in the same Wall Street kitchen."
-Huey Long

User avatar
Jello Biafra
Negotiator
 
Posts: 6401
Founded: Antiquity
Left-wing Utopia

Postby Jello Biafra » Tue Feb 14, 2017 7:49 am

Uxupox wrote:The BLM has always been a terrorist organization akin to the KKK. This ain't something new.

Really? BLM kills people?

User avatar
DEMOLITION HAMMER
Attaché
 
Posts: 78
Founded: Mar 10, 2016
Ex-Nation

Postby DEMOLITION HAMMER » Tue Feb 14, 2017 7:57 am

Seangoli wrote:Apparently Gorillas were white people who tried to become black again. Neat.


Could you show me where you found that lmao

User avatar
Pavelania
Envoy
 
Posts: 311
Founded: Nov 15, 2016
Ex-Nation

Postby Pavelania » Tue Feb 14, 2017 8:03 am

Community Values wrote:
Pavelania wrote:The left wing liberals are losing because the sleeping giant of the true people of America has awoken, and realized the corruption and irony in the left wing liberals and their ideas.


What does this have to do with the co-founder of the Toronto BLM? I never knew the sleeping giant of America was about to invade.


Because majority of the left wing liberals like CNN defend BLM and say black people can't be racist.
Pro: Trump/Pence, Gun rights, Christianity, Aviation, Centrists, Libertarians, Conservatives, Ronald Reagan, Israel, More Jobs, Efficient/Renewable Energy, Hunting,
Freedom of Speech

Anti: Obama, Clintons, Bernie Sanders, Communism, Islam, Terrorists, Globalization, UN, Abortion, Pagans, SJWs, Liberalism, Socialism, BLM, Nuclear Weapons, Sharia Law, Fake News, LGBTQ, Feminism, PC Culture, Stupid Chemtrail Conspiracy (Bro it's just condensed water vapor!), Flat Earthers, News Media Reporting on Aviation (They always get it horribly wrong), the way the general public sees general aviation...
YouTube|The Truth About "Assault Weapons"|PNW Simulations
PAC
Aviation to me is more then a hobby, it's a passion that us pilots love!

Totally didn't draw my flag on MSpaint...

PreviousNext

Advertisement

Remove ads

Return to General

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: Abserdia, American Legionaries, Arikea, Bradfordville, Cannot think of a name, Equai, Ethel mermania, EuroStralia, Galloism, Great Britain eke Northern Ireland, Hauthamatra, Hirota, Ifreann, Immoren, Kenmoria, La Xinga, Lord Dominator, Narland, Ostroeuropa, Port Caverton, Riviere Renard, The Jamesian Republic, The Snazzylands, The Two Jerseys, Trollgaard, Valyxias

Advertisement

Remove ads