BLM leader calls whites "subhumans"

[Uiiop]

How? Frankly, I don't give a damn what some social science class taught by a white, Subaru driving, latte sipping professor says about racism, you cannot redefine the term to fit your agenda.

It has always, always meant what it means in the sociological context. It's whites like us that have changed the meaning to fit a political agenda. When all mean actions based on race are racist, the term is diluted when it's use to criticize actual structural racism.

:/ I've never experienced what you're talking about man. People can recognize from context the difference you know...well some people at least.
On second thought...maybe you have a point but it's not necessarily the solution to put into two words.

[Kollin]

Are you implying because I am a right-winger I support racist policies? No, actually I support getting rid of racism in it's full. But for that to happen, the left has to acknowledge that non-white racism can actually happen, and work at getting rid of it aswell.

Racism refers to a system, not someone's beliefs. Blacks in America can't be "racist" because they lack the component of systemic power over another group. Cry all you want that some black Americans are terrible and hate whites or other populations - and don't get me wrong, that's a bad thing - but you can't argue that blacks are racist towards whites when whites hold all the cards in society.

Funnily enough, that's actually NOT the definition.

rac·ism
ˈrāˌsizəm/Submit
noun
prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against someone of a different race based on the belief that one's own race is superior.

Now, the woman this thread spawned over? Is definitely a racist. The definition leaves that pretty damned easy to figure out. As for BLM, we've seen lots n lots of sects that also seem to fit this definition. I'd like to know where those who don't are at.
Of course, your definition does exist as a secondary. However, since the government is not actually built to be racist, but the problem comes from society itself, it's the first definition that matters. The second did matter, until there were constitutional amendments in the US, and whatever Canada did for it. People in government, may be racist. The government itself, is not, it has to follow it's own laws afterall.

[The Black Forrest]

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How? Frankly, I don't give a damn what some social science class taught by a white, Subaru driving, latte sipping professor says about racism, you cannot redefine the term to fit your agenda.

Like you just did?

[Seperates]

There are many black people who would disagree with you on what racism means.

And they would be just as wrong. But again, this is a semantic digression. Calling someone a cracker is wrong, but doesn't have the same weight as calling someone the n word. All violence is wrong when it's based on hate. My only argument is that we need to use language more carefully, not that some victims are less worthy than others.

It probably doesn't. But it comes from the same place. Which is why it is important to identify that root ideology. Which is 'racism'.

[SP Rebellion]

And then you actually have to try and comprehend how this organization is actually spreading to Europe. Black Lives Matter Germany is actually a thing now.

Well, as long as they all heil der merkelführer, and praise the Fourth Reich of the EUSSR, I guess no one in the German Establishment cares.

[Uiiop]

While i find his view of it wrong...i'd doubt someone calling what happens "Bad things" are actually defending it.

Manslaughter is a bad thimg, but I think you would find it suspicious if when a black man was killed in cold blood I called it manslaughter but only whites could be truly murdered.

Granted but the analogy falls apart since the distinction isn't about viewing one practically the same action more lightly than the other.
I guess one can say that racially motivated murder isn't in itself racist no matter who did it to whom. Racism only actually comes in when it's supported by the state.
I'm not Sciongrad though so maybe they agree with this or they think something else entirely.

[Seperates]

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How? Frankly, I don't give a damn what some social science class taught by a white, Subaru driving, latte sipping professor says about racism, you cannot redefine the term to fit your agenda.

Like you just did?

I don't know, TBF.

I've had plenty of SS classes, specifically anthropology classes, and our way of discussing it was by first identifying the root ideology of the act and then further distinguishing what levels of societal affect that the act had. Increased specificity with what the words mean so as to be able to more accurately describe what is happening at multiple levels. Especially given that power and privilege are not really static things (at least if you go by Foucault's definitions).

But I suppose a more Marxist approach would say that they are firmly grounded. Even then, I would still want to specify ideology and level with accuracy.

I'd never heard 'racism' used in that sort of academic context until the internet became enthralled in it. Perhaps I should have taken an African-American Studies Class... Or more Gender Studies...

[Infected Mushroom]

Because of this, BLM should be outlawed.

I can't see that gaining much political clout.

It can easily. There are more non-members than members.

[Saiwania]

Black Lives Matter Germany is actually a thing now.

How many Black people do you suppose live in Germany and why would there be a need for such an organization over there? German law enforcement doesn't have a great reputation for police brutality. I'm in agreement that ethnic Germans aren't Black and never have been. Germany is supposed to be a majority White nation. Now unfortunately in my view, they accepted in a bunch of Turks; but they're not too far gone yet but will be if Angela Merkel never loses power.

[SP Rebellion]

Black Lives Matter Germany is actually a thing now.

How many Black people do you suppose live in Germany and why would there be a need for such an organization over there? German law enforcement doesn't have a great reputation for police brutality. I'm in agreement that ethnic Germans aren't Black and never have been.

Search up "BLM Protests Berlin".

[Luminesa]

Are you implying because I am a right-winger I support racist policies? No, actually I support getting rid of racism in it's full. But for that to happen, the left has to acknowledge that non-white racism can actually happen, and work at getting rid of it aswell.

Racism refers to a system, not someone's beliefs. Blacks in America can't be "racist" because they lack the component of systemic power over another group. Cry all you want that some black Americans are terrible and hate whites or other populations - and don't get me wrong, that's a bad thing - but you can't argue that blacks are racist towards whites when whites hold all the cards in society.

Racism is not just a widespread system, it is an individual system. Any system of thought starts with individual people, after all. "Oh, that kid is getting into that college only because he is black, that's the only way black kids get into college." "Oh, that kid got the A on his exam because he's white." Those are personal thoughts, and both thoughts are seeds of hatred and conflict with others.

If the woman in the OP is thinking and saying whites are subhuman because of their lack of melanin, and that being black somehow automatically makes you closer to being one with the cosmos or whatever, that is implying that whites are somehow less capable of acquiring spiritual heights simply due to their skin. It is claiming that a group of people, based on their skin, which has no connection to their brain's ability to philosophize and to reason, have less of an ability to do both because they were "unfortunate" enough to be born a certain external color. It is saying they are closer to being animals than humans.

A long time ago, settlers to North America considered Native Americans to be "cursed" somehow because of their dark skin. They were considered by some to even be "the Devil's children" or something like that. That is claiming a group of people are spiritually evil based on something not even nominally related to their soul or intellect. If it is racist for one group of people to say such things, it is racist for any group of people.

[Seperates]

Black Lives Matter Germany is actually a thing now.

How many Black people do you suppose live in Germany and why would there be a need for such an organization over there? German law enforcement doesn't have a great reputation for police brutality. I'm in agreement that ethnic Germans aren't Black and never have been. Germany is supposed to be a majority White nation. Now unfortunately in my view, they accepted in a bunch of Turks; but they're not too far gone yet but will be if Angela Merkel never loses power.

Eww... "Supposed to be"

Where are the Calvinists when you need them?

[Kollin]

Racism refers to a system, not someone's beliefs. Blacks in America can't be "racist" because they lack the component of systemic power over another group. Cry all you want that some black Americans are terrible and hate whites or other populations - and don't get me wrong, that's a bad thing - but you can't argue that blacks are racist towards whites when whites hold all the cards in society.

Racism is not just a widespread system, it is an individual system. Any system of thought starts with individual people, after all. "Oh, that kid is getting into that college only because he is black, that's the only way black kids get into college." "Oh, that kid got the A on his exam because he's white." Those are personal thoughts, and both thoughts are seeds of hatred and conflict with others.

If the woman in the OP is thinking and saying whites are subhuman because of their lack of melanin, and that being black somehow automatically makes you closer to being one with the cosmos or whatever, that is implying that whites are somehow less capable of acquiring spiritual heights simply due to their skin. It is claiming that a group of people, based on their skin, which has no connection to their brain's ability to philosophize and to reason, have less of an ability to do both because they were "unfortunate" enough to be born a certain external color. It is saying they are closer to being animals than humans.

A long time ago, settlers to North America considered Native Americans to be "cursed" somehow because of their dark skin. They were considered by some to even be "the Devil's children" or something like that. That is claiming a group of people are spiritually evil based on something not even nominally related to their soul or intellect. If it is racist for one group of people to say such things, it is racist for any group of people.

More and more do i wonder how it is we started off so poorly, Lumi
Probably has to do with my emotions being as stable as early nitroglycerin, ah well. Well said, and goodnight to you.

[Grenartia]

This statement by a member of a very unorganized group is obviously the worst act of bigotry ever perpetrated by a member of one race to another.

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

You misspelled Steven Harper.

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As for BLM, this is unforgivable. I no longer can support this shity oginastion.

If I can shit on Trump for all the unforgivable shit he said on Twitter, I can now shit on you for this.

>USD/CAD fucked up like 15 times under Harper, usually resolved within a month on each occasion, and CAD ends up a few cents stronger
>USD/CAD fucked up once under Trudeau as he took office, still not resolved to this day.

The amount of CAD I have lost thanks to Trudeau due to my trading with US Companies down South is bloody insane.

And the shoppers that come over here and profit from the high US Dollar?

Did Trudeau make a bullshit hotline? Did he try to ban Gay marriage? No, that was Harper.

Also, there is a thread for this.

[Chinese Peoples]

If you want to watch stereotypical minority comedy sketches, I recommend Goodness Gracious Me.

[Seperates]

Melanism has been around for ages, and it's no surprise that some of its supporters would also want to be very involved in black lives matter. I'm sure there are some proponents of the nation of Islam, the black Hebrew Israelites, Moorish science, and afrocentrism in there too somewhere- why is any of that a problem? Of course those guys would be there, where else would they be? With the all lives matter crowd? Unlikely. I don't agree with the Mormons about God, but I don't take issue with it when they volunteer in a soup kitchen.

Probably because they dilute the movement through the very same problems that we are seeing. Media focusing on the wacky individual theories and demands of small groups as opposed to the larger message.

I would like to see BLM succeed in their more general goals of police reform, which is long overdue in the U.S. and likely abroad. And the same problems that BLM are experiencing is, in the circular way that most theory on human behavior goes, that is the general problem most people associated with police reform have with BLM is that there is too much focus on police reform, which they believe should probably take place within larger advocacy structures of criminal justice reform.

But, I am unlikely to see most of these come into fruition in my lifetime.

[Herskerstad]

“Melanin enables black skin to capture light and hold it in its memory mode which reveals that blackness converts light into knowledge. Melanin directly communicates with cosmic energy,” she added.

This is so absurd that either this is made up or drugs are somehow involved.

Oh she is not exclusive to this belief nor is it the first time black supremacist ontological statements has come from the higher echelons of BLM, but she herself was one of the ones who did this way back so this is nothing new.

[Militant Costco]

This statement by a member of a very unorganized group is obviously the worst act of bigotry ever perpetrated by a member of one race to another.

After all nothing promotes racial equality then calling your former slavers subhumans

amirite

[Herskerstad]

I mean the whole of the BLM movement, not just this one delusional Canadian. Yet it is funny how these Delusional Canadians proceeded to elect the worst Prime Minister in Canadian History, Trudeau to power.

You misspelled Steven Harper.

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As for BLM, this is unforgivable. I no longer can support this shity oginastion.

If I can shit on Trump for all the unforgivable shit he said on Twitter, I can now shit on you for this.

Eh, that's the problem with any such umbrella group, you can get anything from reasoned critiques to melanin supremacist melancholy.

I think that at it's core, BLM incorporates new language with old concepts, particularly class struggle ones. New proletariat and bourgeois. In the same way that I would not judge the tea party if a city-wide group would be rabid KKK figures who think whites ruled the world for 6000 years, I can't judge BLM as a whole because of this, though I do think it behoves BLM as a whole to distance themselves from her more than has been done which is part of the reason I agree it is a shitty organisation. Black liberation theorems are dead, and black integration which has made quite some headway is the way forward. Every black valedictorian is a victory in that sense and I do hope Trump cleans house in the inner cities, no matter how harsh taking down the most retrograde elements which stand in the way of their success, being the black gangs, turns out to be.

[The Forsworn Knights]

I still want to know how one can be the leader of a twitter hashtag.

[Senkaku]

I still want to know how one can be the leader of a twitter hashtag.

Say things the opponents of the cause represented by the hashtag can try to spin or inflate to discredit the whole thing. *nods*

[Lowell Leber]

My response to this lady's claims is one word: Rhodesia.

[Hexgard]

BLM in Canada call their PM a "white supremacist", you know, the overly tolerant liberal guy is now a racist to, since he white.
BLM leader in Washington said how black-on-black crime is a hoax, so, yeah, if you are a black person and lost someone due to criminals who were black, it was just a hoax.

All in all, BLM is a rotten organization, lead by outright evil people, used as a jump point for thug to riot, and the people who actually stand with BLM because they believe in anit-racism and equality are the ones being used and lied to.

[New haven america]

Are you implying because I am a right-winger I support racist policies? No, actually I support getting rid of racism in it's full. But for that to happen, the left has to acknowledge that non-white racism can actually happen, and work at getting rid of it aswell.

Racism refers to a system, not someone's beliefs. Blacks in America can't be "racist" because they lack the component of systemic power over another group. Cry all you want that some black Americans are terrible and hate whites or other populations - and don't get me wrong, that's a bad thing - but you can't argue that blacks are racist towards whites when whites hold all the cards in society.

No. No, no, no, no, no. You are referring to Institutional Racism (Prejudice+Power), even though there are actually two types or racism.

You are ignoring Individual Racism, which is when an individual or group/race discriminates against another race/group. With or without power, it doesn't really matter. Black people can be racist towards white people, white people can be racist towards black people, there are no exceptions based on which group holds more power.

I'm sorry I might have blown up earlier, but using Institutional Racism as an argument for why black people can be racist really fucking annoys me, considering Institutional Racism=/=Individual Racism. They are both very different things, and are not interchangeable. Black people can be racist, White people can, Asians can, everyone can be racist, no matter what power one may hold over the others.