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Postby Sciongrad » Mon Feb 13, 2017 10:13 pm

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Galloism wrote:I'm pretty sure banning political parties violates the first amendment.


But, as the mantra the left likes to push a lot, "Racism is not counted as free speech."

Is that the mantra of the left? I must have missed that bit at the last meeting of the global leftist cabal.

You're not a leftist though, so obviously you don't subscribe to that view, right?
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Postby SP Rebellion » Mon Feb 13, 2017 10:14 pm

Sciongrad wrote:
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The solution? Outlaw BLM, outlaw the KKK, and any other hate group like this who pushes blatant racism.

And just to state it, before anyone feels the need to reply, Nationalism =/= Racism.

Yes, the only way to stop BLM from assuming unchecked power in society to carry out their secret goal of genocide, which the left is clearly oblivious to, is take away their first amendment rights.

The amount of misinformation and just naked racism in this thread is staggering.


Would you care to explain as to how banning every racist group like this constitutes racism?
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Postby Galloism » Mon Feb 13, 2017 10:14 pm

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Galloism wrote:I'm pretty sure banning political parties violates the first amendment.


But, as the mantra the left likes to push a lot, "Racism is not counted as free speech."

Well, I disagree with this quasi-mythical left you're talking about.

Racist words are definitely free speech, as is sexism, homophobia, anti-government sentiment, and liking Carrot Top.

Despicable sure, but you have the right to say it.
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Postby The Black Forrest » Mon Feb 13, 2017 10:15 pm

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Galloism wrote:I'm pretty sure banning political parties violates the first amendment.


But, as the mantra the left likes to push a lot, "Racism is not counted as free speech."


Not really. If that was true, the KKK would have been gone a long time ago.

Racism to antagonize is not freedom of speech.
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Postby SP Rebellion » Mon Feb 13, 2017 10:15 pm

Sciongrad wrote:
SP Rebellion wrote:
But, as the mantra the left likes to push a lot, "Racism is not counted as free speech."

Is that the mantra of the left? I must have missed that bit at the last meeting of the global leftist cabal.

You're not a leftist though, so obviously you don't subscribe to that view, right?


Are you implying because I am a right-winger I support racist policies? No, actually I support getting rid of racism in it's full. But for that to happen, the left has to acknowledge that non-white racism can actually happen, and work at getting rid of it aswell.
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Postby Neanderthaland » Mon Feb 13, 2017 10:15 pm

Sciongrad wrote:
SP Rebellion wrote:
The solution? Outlaw BLM, outlaw the KKK, and any other hate group like this who pushes blatant racism.

And just to state it, before anyone feels the need to reply, Nationalism =/= Racism.

Yes, the only way to stop BLM from assuming unchecked power in society to carry out their secret goal of genocide, which the left is clearly oblivious to, is take away their first amendment rights.

The amount of misinformation and just naked racism in this thread is staggering.

Well these are Canadians, so I'm not sure they're protected by the First Amendment.

Though it is a special kind of stupid to want to violate your own citizen's rights for what people in another country said.
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Postby Sciongrad » Mon Feb 13, 2017 10:16 pm

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Sciongrad wrote:Yes, the only way to stop BLM from assuming unchecked power in society to carry out their secret goal of genocide, which the left is clearly oblivious to, is take away their first amendment rights.

The amount of misinformation and just naked racism in this thread is staggering.


Would you care to explain as to how banning every racist group like this constitutes racism?

Your premise that BML is racist is unsubstantiated. Your conception of violent black protesters is a racist caricature. I've asked maybe 8 times in this thread and not a single person can produce empirical evidence for me that proves BML protesters are more predisposed to violence, racism, or genocide than any other population. The onus is on you to prove your premise, not on me to disprove it.
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Postby Catochristoferson » Mon Feb 13, 2017 10:17 pm

SP Rebellion wrote:
Galloism wrote:I'm pretty sure banning political parties violates the first amendment.


But, as the mantra the left likes to push a lot, "Racism is not counted as free speech."

Racism actually is protected by free speech.

But freedom of speech does not give you freedom from consequences. Like, people don't have to like what you have to say or anything. If they don't like it,that's fine, they don't have to be forced to tolerate it.
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Postby Sciongrad » Mon Feb 13, 2017 10:17 pm

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Sciongrad wrote:Is that the mantra of the left? I must have missed that bit at the last meeting of the global leftist cabal.

You're not a leftist though, so obviously you don't subscribe to that view, right?


Are you implying because I am a right-winger I support racist policies? No, actually I support getting rid of racism in it's full. But for that to happen, the left has to acknowledge that non-white racism can actually happen, and work at getting rid of it aswell.

Racism refers to a system, not someone's beliefs. Blacks in America can't be "racist" because they lack the component of systemic power over another group. Cry all you want that some black Americans are terrible and hate whites or other populations - and don't get me wrong, that's a bad thing - but you can't argue that blacks are racist towards whites when whites hold all the cards in society.
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Postby Mavorpen » Mon Feb 13, 2017 10:18 pm

Galloism wrote:
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I mean the whole of the BLM movement, not just this one delusional Canadian. Yet it is funny how these Delusional Canadians proceeded to elect the worst Prime Minister in Canadian History, Trudeau to power.

I guess I don't see it. How does pointing out there's a disparity in prosecutorial discretion make Trump win?

At this point, what hasn't made Trump win?
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Postby Neanderthaland » Mon Feb 13, 2017 10:19 pm

SP Rebellion wrote:
Sciongrad wrote:Is that the mantra of the left? I must have missed that bit at the last meeting of the global leftist cabal.

You're not a leftist though, so obviously you don't subscribe to that view, right?


Are you implying because I am a right-winger I support racist policies? No, actually I support getting rid of racism in it's full. But for that to happen, the left has to acknowledge that non-white racism can actually happen, and work at getting rid of it aswell.

I think he was implying that you are ignorantly strawmaning your opposition, but that's just what I got out of it.

I, for one, oppose policies that would require censoring every comedian from the 70s and 80s.
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Postby SP Rebellion » Mon Feb 13, 2017 10:19 pm

Sciongrad wrote:
SP Rebellion wrote:
Would you care to explain as to how banning every racist group like this constitutes racism?

Your premise that BML is racist is unsubstantiated. Your conception of violent black protesters is a racist caricature. I've asked maybe 8 times in this thread and not a single person can produce empirical evidence for me that proves BML protesters are more predisposed to violence, racism, or genocide than any other population. The onus is on you to prove your premise, not on me to disprove it.


Google is your best friend, mate. Just simply type into the search bar: "BLM Baltimore riots" and you will be provided with all the evidence you need.

And not to mention this twitter post, posted by a bloody co-founder of the damn organization, shows the evil it was founded on then imo.
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Postby Seperates » Mon Feb 13, 2017 10:19 pm

Sciongrad wrote:
SP Rebellion wrote:
But, as the mantra the left likes to push a lot, "Racism is not counted as free speech."

Is that the mantra of the left? I must have missed that bit at the last meeting of the global leftist cabal.

You're not a leftist though, so obviously you don't subscribe to that view, right?

I've always found 'left' and 'right' to be unhelpful.
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Postby Neanderthaland » Mon Feb 13, 2017 10:19 pm

SP Rebellion wrote:
Sciongrad wrote:Is that the mantra of the left? I must have missed that bit at the last meeting of the global leftist cabal.

You're not a leftist though, so obviously you don't subscribe to that view, right?


Are you implying because I am a right-winger I support racist policies? No, actually I support getting rid of racism in it's full. But for that to happen, the left has to acknowledge that non-white racism can actually happen, and work at getting rid of it aswell.

I think he was implying that you are ignorantly strawmaning your opposition, but that's just what I got out of it.

I, for one, oppose policies that would require censoring every comedian from the 70s and 80s.
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Postby Senkaku » Mon Feb 13, 2017 10:20 pm

"a lady in canada who associates with a chapter of this movement said this thing therefore the entire movement in the united states espouses the same batshit beliefs" - Pantuxia, 2/13/17 (citing The Gateway Pundit and Heatstreet)

but for real I want whatever drugs that lady is on if they make her dream up shit like “Melanin enables black skin to capture light and hold it in its memory mode which reveals that blackness converts light into knowledge. Melanin directly communicates with cosmic energy"
it's super racist for sure but also like damn you gotta be high af to think of that shit
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Postby Hardened Pyrokinetics » Mon Feb 13, 2017 10:20 pm

This is BLM Toronto. The same group of morons who demanded that Toronto Police be banned from participating in the annual Toronto Pride Parade, and will block all Pride Parades forever unless that ban is carried out. Of course they're led by a lunatic racist.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Mon Feb 13, 2017 10:20 pm

Sciongrad wrote:
SP Rebellion wrote:
Are you implying because I am a right-winger I support racist policies? No, actually I support getting rid of racism in it's full. But for that to happen, the left has to acknowledge that non-white racism can actually happen, and work at getting rid of it aswell.

Racism refers to a system, not someone's beliefs. Blacks in America can't be "racist" because they lack the component of systemic power over another group. Cry all you want that some black Americans are terrible and hate whites or other populations - and don't get me wrong, that's a bad thing - but you can't argue that blacks are racist towards whites when whites hold all the cards in society.


Now that's just not true.
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Postby Galloism » Mon Feb 13, 2017 10:21 pm

Sciongrad wrote:
SP Rebellion wrote:
Are you implying because I am a right-winger I support racist policies? No, actually I support getting rid of racism in it's full. But for that to happen, the left has to acknowledge that non-white racism can actually happen, and work at getting rid of it aswell.

Racism refers to a system, not someone's beliefs. Blacks in America can't be "racist" because they lack the component of systemic power over another group. Cry all you want that some black Americans are terrible and hate whites or other populations - and don't get me wrong, that's a bad thing - but you can't argue that blacks are racist towards whites when whites hold all the cards in society.

Let's not start the "prejudice + power" bullshit again. You can't redefine words to make certain actions acceptable or not based on who the victim of it is.
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Postby The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp » Mon Feb 13, 2017 10:21 pm

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Galloism wrote:Delusional people in Canada made Trump win?


I mean the whole of the BLM movement, not just this one delusional Canadian. Yet it is funny how these Delusional Canadians proceeded to elect the worst Prime Minister in Canadian History, Trudeau to power.


You misspelled Steven Harper.




As for BLM, this is unforgivable. I no longer can support this shity oginastion.

If I can shit on Trump for all the unforgivable shit he said on Twitter, I can now shit on you for this.

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Postby Sciongrad » Mon Feb 13, 2017 10:22 pm

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Sciongrad wrote:Your premise that BML is racist is unsubstantiated. Your conception of violent black protesters is a racist caricature. I've asked maybe 8 times in this thread and not a single person can produce empirical evidence for me that proves BML protesters are more predisposed to violence, racism, or genocide than any other population. The onus is on you to prove your premise, not on me to disprove it.


Google is your best friend, mate. Just simply type into the search bar: "BLM Baltimore riots" and you will be provided with all the evidence you need.

And not to mention this twitter post, posted by a bloody co-founder of the damn organization, shows the evil it was founded on then imo.

No, I will not do that, because you're making the claim, not me. If you want to substantiate your own claim, provide me evidence that BLM activists are statistically more likely to commit some type of violent crime than other populations. I'm not doing your homework for you. Clearly, your opinion on this issue is fairly well developed, so you must have clear evidence you can point to that substantiates your claim. I'm sure you wouldn't be basing your opinion on internet forum threads and Fox News caricatures, right?
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Postby Seperates » Mon Feb 13, 2017 10:22 pm

Catochristoferson wrote:
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But, as the mantra the left likes to push a lot, "Racism is not counted as free speech."

Racism actually is protected by free speech.

But freedom of speech does not give you freedom from consequences. Like, people don't have to like what you have to say or anything. If they don't like it,that's fine, they don't have to be forced to tolerate it.

Depends on what you mean by consequences. In the U.S. at least, there can be no legal consequences unless the speech falls under the historically exempt categories of speech.

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Postby Sciongrad » Mon Feb 13, 2017 10:23 pm

Galloism wrote:
Sciongrad wrote:Racism refers to a system, not someone's beliefs. Blacks in America can't be "racist" because they lack the component of systemic power over another group. Cry all you want that some black Americans are terrible and hate whites or other populations - and don't get me wrong, that's a bad thing - but you can't argue that blacks are racist towards whites when whites hold all the cards in society.

Let's not start the "prejudice + power" bullshit again. You can't redefine words to make certain actions acceptable or not based on who the victim of it is.

Like I said in that post, whites that are harmed by black bigotry are victims too and black bigots are awful people. My point was that racism in sociology indisputably requires a systemic component. When white people cry about how blacks are racist, they obfuscate what racism really is. Whites don't know what racism is.
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Postby Major-Tom » Mon Feb 13, 2017 10:24 pm

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Canada, I know. But that doesn't matter. When the average person looks at this, they associate BLM with America, because thats pretty much the country most associated with the movement.

Sounds like people should not be stupid then.
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It's not fallacious. Black people have been demonized at literally every point in the history of the country.
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No, it isn't stupid. If you turn on the news or if you live in an area with a BLM presence and see rioting, looting, and behavior such as the one displayed here, you will likely have a negative image of BLM.

Yes, yes they have. Doesn't excuse shit like this, though.

We(I too am supportive of advancing civil rights), need to distance ourselves from this sort of stupidity. Call it disorganized, call it whenever, but when few members of the movement fail to condemn this sort of behavior, it shows that people who care about civil rights need to take a different approach.

Quite frankly, I think BLM has harmed the image of the black community. Prior to all this race relations bullshit, we had some of the best race relations in our country's history. Perfect? Not at all. But the protests and whatnot carried out in the name of BLM has been horrible.

I'll leave you with an anecdote, take it as you will. I attended my city (Phoenix)'s MLK rally this year. It was actually fairly large, probably around 4500 people went through the downtown of Phoenix. A lot of friendly families, Black, White, Hispanic, whatever, they all attended. Really good people remembering a really good man. But then there were these hateful, ignorant shitheads with BLM posters and shit shouting "PIGS IN A BLANKET," even though the police on the sidewalk were there protecting our right to free speech.

It just pisses me off, really.

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Postby Pasong Tirad » Mon Feb 13, 2017 10:24 pm

Sciongrad wrote:
SP Rebellion wrote:
Are you implying because I am a right-winger I support racist policies? No, actually I support getting rid of racism in it's full. But for that to happen, the left has to acknowledge that non-white racism can actually happen, and work at getting rid of it aswell.

Racism refers to a system, not someone's beliefs. Blacks in America can't be "racist" because they lack the component of systemic power over another group. Cry all you want that some black Americans are terrible and hate whites or other populations - and don't get me wrong, that's a bad thing - but you can't argue that blacks are racist towards whites when whites hold all the cards in society.

Hear hear.

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Postby Galloism » Mon Feb 13, 2017 10:25 pm

Sciongrad wrote:
Galloism wrote:Let's not start the "prejudice + power" bullshit again. You can't redefine words to make certain actions acceptable or not based on who the victim of it is.

Like I said in that post, whites that are harmed by black bigotry are victims too and black bigots are awful people. My point was that racism in sociology indisputably requires a systemic component. When white people cry about how blacks are racist, they obfuscate what racism really is.

We're not talking your bullshit redefinitions.

Racism, here in the real world, requires no systemic component.
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