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Postby Hammer Britannia » Thu Feb 16, 2017 11:34 am

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No, they should not be working with a literal hate group. That's not a road to equality and easing racial tensions.

But the best road to easing racial tensions is establishing justice, which means fighting the white supremacist establishment. If the NoI is doing that, they may be doing more good than harm, racism notwithstanding. When you're in a state of existential threat, you tend to take help where you can get it.

Oh, you mean the Magic White Supremacy Establishments that don't exist within our Government right?
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Postby Cold Time » Thu Feb 16, 2017 11:36 am

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No, they should not be working with a literal hate group. That's not a road to equality and easing racial tensions.

But the best road to easing racial tensions is establishing justice, which means fighting the white supremacist establishment. If the NoI is doing that, they may be doing more good than harm, racism notwithstanding. When you're in a state of existential threat, you tend to take help where you can get it.


What White establishment?
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Postby Hammer Britannia » Thu Feb 16, 2017 11:37 am

Cold Time wrote:
Thunder Place wrote:But the best road to easing racial tensions is establishing justice, which means fighting the white supremacist establishment. If the NoI is doing that, they may be doing more good than harm, racism notwithstanding. When you're in a state of existential threat, you tend to take help where you can get it.


What White establishment?

You know, the White Establishment that was abolished in the 1960's
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Postby Cymrea » Thu Feb 16, 2017 11:38 am

Cold Time wrote:
Thunder Place wrote:But the best road to easing racial tensions is establishing justice, which means fighting the white supremacist establishment. If the NoI is doing that, they may be doing more good than harm, racism notwithstanding. When you're in a state of existential threat, you tend to take help where you can get it.


What White establishment?

The one folks of your political bent are wilfully blind to.

Look, you have to be guzzling the KoolAid not to recognise there's systemic racism in many western countries. The question is how to go about addressing it without being just as racist in turn, or overcompensating with "guilt".
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Postby Cold Time » Thu Feb 16, 2017 11:42 am

Cymrea wrote:
Cold Time wrote:
What White establishment?

The one folks of your political bent are wilfully blind to.

Look, you have to be guzzling the KoolAid not to recognise there's systemic racism in many western countries. The question is how to go about addressing it without being just as racist in turn, or overcompensating with "guilt".


There is no "systematic" racism, only people who are pushing that there is like BLM, who think that every white person is racist
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Postby Hammer Britannia » Thu Feb 16, 2017 11:46 am

Cymrea wrote:
Cold Time wrote:
What White establishment?

The one folks of your political bent are wilfully blind to.

Look, you have to be guzzling the KoolAid not to recognise there's systemic racism in many western countries. The question is how to go about addressing it without being just as racist in turn, or overcompensating with "guilt".

You must be blind as a bat if you think that there is any Racism in the "System" that allows whites to get more of a advantage.

There is a huge difference between 1 or two racists in government and Businesses, and a entire "System" which prevents anyone from being This and that because of their race.
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Postby Cymrea » Thu Feb 16, 2017 11:47 am

Cold Time wrote:
Cymrea wrote:The one folks of your political bent are wilfully blind to.

Look, you have to be guzzling the KoolAid not to recognise there's systemic racism in many western countries. The question is how to go about addressing it without being just as racist in turn, or overcompensating with "guilt".


There is no "systematic" racism, only people who are pushing that there is like BLM, who think that every white person is racist

Case in point: wilfully blind.

I'm not saying every white person is racist, and anyone claiming affiliation with BLM who says so is wrong. Systemic racism does exist and has for many decades. Choosing not to acknowledge it is typical of white conservatives and liberals alike because there's no simple sound-bite answer to the problem.
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Postby Uiiop » Thu Feb 16, 2017 11:49 am

Cold Time wrote:
Cymrea wrote:The one folks of your political bent are wilfully blind to.

Look, you have to be guzzling the KoolAid not to recognise there's systemic racism in many western countries. The question is how to go about addressing it without being just as racist in turn, or overcompensating with "guilt".


There is no "systematic" racism, only people who are pushing that there is like BLM, who think that every white person is racist

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/won ... ed-for-it/
https://www.justice.gov/sites/default/files/opa/press-releases/attachments/2015/03/04/ferguson_police_department_report.pdf
https://www.justice.gov/opa/file/883366/download
http://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/fsd0512.pdf
http://repository.law.umich.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=2413&context=articles
I'll assume you can disprove all of this then....
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Postby Hammer Britannia » Thu Feb 16, 2017 11:49 am

Cymrea wrote:
Cold Time wrote:
There is no "systematic" racism, only people who are pushing that there is like BLM, who think that every white person is racist

Case in point: wilfully blind.

I'm not saying every white person is racist, and anyone claiming affiliation with BLM who says so is wrong. Systemic racism does exist and has for many decades. Choosing not to acknowledge it is typical of white conservatives and liberals alike because there's no simple sound-bite answer to the problem.

If there was a system, then why aren't all the Unemployed Homeless whites rich and people like Micheal Jordan a homeless guy on the streets begging for money?
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Postby Cymrea » Thu Feb 16, 2017 11:49 am

Hammer Britannia wrote:
Cymrea wrote:The one folks of your political bent are wilfully blind to.

Look, you have to be guzzling the KoolAid not to recognise there's systemic racism in many western countries. The question is how to go about addressing it without being just as racist in turn, or overcompensating with "guilt".

You must be blind as a bat if you think that there is any Racism in the "System" that allows whites to get more of a advantage.

There is a huge difference between 1 or two racists in government and Businesses, and a entire "System" which prevents anyone from being This and that because of their race.

One or two racists...lol.

You're misunderstanding the word systemic and how it relates to racism in western countries.
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Postby Uiiop » Thu Feb 16, 2017 11:50 am

Hammer Britannia wrote:
Cymrea wrote:Case in point: wilfully blind.

I'm not saying every white person is racist, and anyone claiming affiliation with BLM who says so is wrong. Systemic racism does exist and has for many decades. Choosing not to acknowledge it is typical of white conservatives and liberals alike because there's no simple sound-bite answer to the problem.

If there was a system, then why aren't all the Unemployed Homeless whites rich and people like Micheal Jordan a homeless guy on the streets begging for money?

Just because one group is treated like shit doesn't mean everything's a cakewalk for another group.
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Postby Cold Time » Thu Feb 16, 2017 11:51 am

Cymrea wrote:
Cold Time wrote:
There is no "systematic" racism, only people who are pushing that there is like BLM, who think that every white person is racist

Case in point: wilfully blind.

I'm not saying every white person is racist, and anyone claiming affiliation with BLM who says so is wrong. Systemic racism does exist and has for many decades. Choosing not to acknowledge it is typical of white conservatives and liberals alike because there's no simple sound-bite answer to the problem.


Explain specifically what is systematic racism, not a description, I need an actual example
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Postby Luminesa » Thu Feb 16, 2017 11:51 am

Cymrea wrote:
Cold Time wrote:
What White establishment?

The one folks of your political bent are wilfully blind to.

Look, you have to be guzzling the KoolAid not to recognise there's systemic racism in many western countries. The question is how to go about addressing it without being just as racist in turn, or overcompensating with "guilt".

This is a fair presumption. Rather than seeking one of two extremes, seek the in-between. :)
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Postby Hammer Britannia » Thu Feb 16, 2017 11:52 am

Cold Time wrote:
Cymrea wrote:Case in point: wilfully blind.

I'm not saying every white person is racist, and anyone claiming affiliation with BLM who says so is wrong. Systemic racism does exist and has for many decades. Choosing not to acknowledge it is typical of white conservatives and liberals alike because there's no simple sound-bite answer to the problem.


Explain specifically what is systematic racism, not a description, I need an actual example

Yeah, give us a example before you claim

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Postby Cymrea » Thu Feb 16, 2017 11:57 am

Cold Time wrote:
Cymrea wrote:Case in point: wilfully blind.

I'm not saying every white person is racist, and anyone claiming affiliation with BLM who says so is wrong. Systemic racism does exist and has for many decades. Choosing not to acknowledge it is typical of white conservatives and liberals alike because there's no simple sound-bite answer to the problem.


Explain specifically what is systematic racism, not a description, I need an actual example

I'm not your high school civics teacher, boyo. There's an entire internet chock full of all human knowledge for you to explore. Join the discussion when you're better informed.
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Postby Uiiop » Thu Feb 16, 2017 11:58 am

Cymrea wrote:
Cold Time wrote:
Explain specifically what is systematic racism, not a description, I need an actual example

I'm not your high school civics teacher, boyo. There's an entire internet chock full of all human knowledge for you to explore. Join the discussion when you're better informed.

:/ Not how discussion works....It's not like you can type shit into google and get the links i posted right away.
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Postby Proctopeo » Thu Feb 16, 2017 12:00 pm

Cymrea wrote:
Cold Time wrote:
Explain specifically what is systematic racism, not a description, I need an actual example

I'm not your high school civics teacher, boyo. There's an entire internet chock full of all human knowledge for you to explore. Join the discussion when you're better informed.

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Postby Cymrea » Thu Feb 16, 2017 12:00 pm

Hammer Britannia wrote:
Cold Time wrote:
Explain specifically what is systematic racism, not a description, I need an actual example

Yeah, give us a example before you claim

(Please type it down, my workplace banned all the New sites for some reason except Buzzfeed, a pile of Lying trash)

I agree that Buzzfeed is not a source.

Systemic racism has been covered ad nauseum by humanities departments in major universities for decades. Simply declaring the sky isn't blue until someone definitively explains light refraction to you doesn't make for a great argument.

So, in counter, provide your proof that systemic racism doesn't exist while I go do Cold Time's homework for him.
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Postby Proctopeo » Thu Feb 16, 2017 12:01 pm

Cymrea wrote:
Hammer Britannia wrote:Yeah, give us a example before you claim

(Please type it down, my workplace banned all the New sites for some reason except Buzzfeed, a pile of Lying trash)

I agree that Buzzfeed is not a source.

Systemic racism has been covered ad nauseum by humanities departments in major universities for decades. Simply declaring the sky isn't blue until someone definitively explains light refraction to you doesn't make for a great argument.

So, in counter, provide your proof that systemic racism doesn't exist while I go do Cold Time's homework for him.

The sky isn't a very good example - unless it's cloudy or nighttime, you can just look outside and say, "yep, that's blue all right". Can't do the same for systematic racism.
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Postby Cymrea » Thu Feb 16, 2017 12:04 pm

Proctopeo wrote:
Cymrea wrote:I agree that Buzzfeed is not a source.

Systemic racism has been covered ad nauseum by humanities departments in major universities for decades. Simply declaring the sky isn't blue until someone definitively explains light refraction to you doesn't make for a great argument.

So, in counter, provide your proof that systemic racism doesn't exist while I go do Cold Time's homework for him.

The sky isn't a very good example - unless it's cloudy or nighttime, you can just look outside and say, "yep, that's blue all right". Can't do the same for systematic racism.

If you want to get nit-picky and pedantic, sure. But the common understanding is that the sky is blue.
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Postby Cymrea » Thu Feb 16, 2017 12:06 pm

Uiiop wrote:
Cymrea wrote:I'm not your high school civics teacher, boyo. There's an entire internet chock full of all human knowledge for you to explore. Join the discussion when you're better informed.

:/ Not how discussion works....It's not like you can type shit into google and get the links i posted right away.

Yes, I'm aware the onus is on the one making the claim, but for a subject so thoroughly covered, it would be nice for someone to make the slightest effort to look into the topic.
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Postby Proctopeo » Thu Feb 16, 2017 12:07 pm

Cymrea wrote:
Proctopeo wrote:The sky isn't a very good example - unless it's cloudy or nighttime, you can just look outside and say, "yep, that's blue all right". Can't do the same for systematic racism.

If you want to get nit-picky and pedantic, sure. But the common understanding is that the sky is blue.

It's less a nit-pick and more of a "choose a more applicable analogy".
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Postby Cymrea » Thu Feb 16, 2017 12:11 pm

Proctopeo wrote:
Cymrea wrote:If you want to get nit-picky and pedantic, sure. But the common understanding is that the sky is blue.

It's less a nit-pick and more of a "choose a more applicable analogy".

Such as?
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Postby Proctopeo » Thu Feb 16, 2017 12:12 pm

Cymrea wrote:
Proctopeo wrote:It's less a nit-pick and more of a "choose a more applicable analogy".

Such as?

Can you think of something that's true, but can't be proven really easily under most circumstances?
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