BLM leader calls whites "subhumans"

[Uiiop]

And here we go with the whataboutism again.

It's not whataboutism but literalism instead.

That's not exactly true....http://blacklivesmatter.com/about/
In here they complain about more things than just police killings.

[Vassenor]

I mean it's interesting that the large number of neo-Nazis that rocked up at Trump rallies aren't representative of his entire supporter base, but when it comes to BLM we are required to judge the entire disparate movement based on isolated clusters of vocal extremists.

[New haven america]

Welp, can't argue with those facts.

[Washington Resistance Army]

It's not whataboutism but literalism instead.

That's not exactly true....http://blacklivesmatter.com/about/
In here they complain about more things than just police killings.

Boy that's a whole lot of nonsense.

[Republic of Tacos]

I mean it's interesting that the large number of neo-Nazis that rocked up at Trump rallies aren't representative of his entire supporter base, but when it comes to BLM we are required to judge the entire disparate movement based on isolated clusters of vocal extremists.

That's about right.

[Equestria and Griffon]

How Black girls are used as negotiating chips during times of conflict and war.


That is actually somewhat bad.

[Kubra]

Because if you go to literally any mass gathering ever you can pick and choose from every sort of wingnut and moonbat at ones pleasure, and then throw a spin on it for ones publishers.
What do you think fox is doing when they cover protests and interview the kids dressed up as red army soldiers, or when vice shows up to something right wing?

Actually, to Vice's credit, they did have a reporter who went to an MRA gathering and said something along the lines of "even though there's scumbags here, most of the guys here are decent people, just a bit confused over how things are going for them." But their video coverage is way different from their print coverage.

Everybody knows that. It also doesn't answer the question.

How do you decide between whether or not the movement is being unfairly cherrypicked or if the movement actually has a problem?

When what folks don't like is elevated to explict written policy by movements in question.
When Lenin was robbing banks and telling everyone how necessary bank robbery was, that was very clearly an explicit policy of bank robbery for the bolshevik faction. There's also the matter of nation of islam, already covered by other posters.

[Seangoli]

I mean it's interesting that the large number of neo-Nazis that rocked up at Trump rallies aren't representative of his entire supporter base, but when it comes to BLM we are required to judge the entire disparate movement based on isolated clusters of vocal extremists.

The honest truth is that both groups have their fair share of giant piles of racist shit. The majority of both probably aren't, but boy is there a fairly sizable population of wretched people about. And these sort of movements draw them like moths to a flame and give them a soapbox to preach their drivel to.

[The Lone Alliance]

It's not whataboutism but literalism instead.

That's not exactly true....http://blacklivesmatter.com/about/
In here they complain about more things than just police killings.

So it's actually worse?

[Galloism]

I learn so much from Nationstates.

Took some digging, but here's the wiki that provides more details. It's truly a bizarre story, to say the least.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yakub_(Nation_of_Islam)

Edit: Apparently Gorillas were white people who tried to become black again. Neat.

Poe's law literally knows no bounds.

[Iridencia]

I mean it's interesting that the large number of neo-Nazis that rocked up at Trump rallies aren't representative of his entire supporter base, but when it comes to BLM we are required to judge the entire disparate movement based on isolated clusters of vocal extremists.

Extremists do not need to make up the majority of a base to still be considered a problem.

Also, I highly doubt that when you look at those Neo-Nazis you're brushing them off and doing your best to reassure that they aren't any serious indication of a glaring flaw in Trump's following.

[Geilinor]

BLM: Fighting for equality by proving black people can be racist too.

[Kollin]

I mean it's interesting that the large number of neo-Nazis that rocked up at Trump rallies aren't representative of his entire supporter base, but when it comes to BLM we are required to judge the entire disparate movement based on isolated clusters of vocal extremists.

Because the majority of observed BLM behavior is exactly what everyone is saying.

Meanwhile, the behavior of those Neo Nazi groups was pretty different from the average Trump Supporter. Who, like most americans, tend to abso-fucking-lutely hate Nazis and any kind of fascist.
Hell, i can't quite remember, but i don't think those Nazis ever rioted, did they? I may be forgetting, but i don't recall that happening. And since this is America, they can think whatever they want. As long as they don't use it for a springboard to actually harm others or infringe on their rights. Thinking Hitler was a genius, while a very silly opinion, isn't going to hurt anyone. Thinking he was a genius, and then getting your friends together to recreate the Night of Broken Glass in your city's minority/religious communities, is a LOT closer to what people think BLM protests are.

But seriously, can someone remind me if those Neo Nazis did anything bad other than have really awful opinions?

[Vassenor]

I mean it's interesting that the large number of neo-Nazis that rocked up at Trump rallies aren't representative of his entire supporter base, but when it comes to BLM we are required to judge the entire disparate movement based on isolated clusters of vocal extremists.

Extremists do not need to make up the majority of a base to still be considered a problem.

Also, I highly doubt that when you look at those Neo-Nazis you're brushing them off and doing your best to reassure that they aren't any serious indication of a glaring flaw in Trump's following.

No, but apparently we're expected to.

[New haven america]

I mean it's interesting that the large number of neo-Nazis that rocked up at Trump rallies aren't representative of his entire supporter base, but when it comes to BLM we are required to judge the entire disparate movement based on isolated clusters of vocal extremists.

Funnily enough, most major BLM controversy I've seen comes from Canada.

I don't doubt that it happens in the US, but the most I've seen it reported from is Canada.

[Kollin]

I mean it's interesting that the large number of neo-Nazis that rocked up at Trump rallies aren't representative of his entire supporter base, but when it comes to BLM we are required to judge the entire disparate movement based on isolated clusters of vocal extremists.

Extremists do not need to make up the majority of a base to still be considered a problem.

Also, I highly doubt that when you look at those Neo-Nazis you're brushing them off and doing your best to reassure that they aren't any serious indication of a glaring flaw in Trump's following.

I mean they're existence was bad, though Trump doesn't particularly like them despite their love for him.
Americans, once again, tend to REALLY hate Nazis, Fascists, and Communists.

[Luminesa]

I mean it's interesting that the large number of neo-Nazis that rocked up at Trump rallies aren't representative of his entire supporter base, but when it comes to BLM we are required to judge the entire disparate movement based on isolated clusters of vocal extremists.

This is true. Neither is totally representative of their respective movements.

[Vassenor]

Extremists do not need to make up the majority of a base to still be considered a problem.

Also, I highly doubt that when you look at those Neo-Nazis you're brushing them off and doing your best to reassure that they aren't any serious indication of a glaring flaw in Trump's following.

I mean they're existence was bad, though Trump doesn't particularly like them despite their love for him.
Americans, once again, tend to REALLY hate Nazis, Fascists, and Communists.

And yet one has managed to end up with his hand up the president's backside.

[Republic of Tacos]

BLM: There are a few of us who are very radical and stand for black supremacy, but we just want equal rights.

[Luminesa]

I mean they're existence was bad, though Trump doesn't particularly like them despite their love for him.
Americans, once again, tend to REALLY hate Nazis, Fascists, and Communists.

And yet one has managed to end up with his hand up the president's backside.

So are you saying that Richard Spencer is representative of every Trump supporter?

[Socialist Tera]

I mean it's interesting that the large number of neo-Nazis that rocked up at Trump rallies aren't representative of his entire supporter base, but when it comes to BLM we are required to judge the entire disparate movement based on isolated clusters of vocal extremists.

Because the majority of observed BLM behavior is exactly what everyone is saying.

Meanwhile, the behavior of those Neo Nazi groups was pretty different from the average Trump Supporter. Who, like most americans, tend to abso-fucking-lutely hate Nazis and any kind of fascist.
Hell, i can't quite remember, but i don't think those Nazis ever rioted, did they? I may be forgetting, but i don't recall that happening. And since this is America, they can think whatever they want. As long as they don't use it for a springboard to actually harm others or infringe on their rights. Thinking Hitler was a genius, while a very silly opinion, isn't going to hurt anyone. Thinking he was a genius, and then getting your friends together to recreate the Night of Broken Glass in your city's minority/religious communities, is a LOT closer to what people think BLM protests are.

But seriously, can someone remind me if those Neo Nazis did anything bad other than have really awful opinions?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wisconsin ... e_shooting
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dylann_Roof
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overland_ ... r_shooting
That's a simple google shirt. Neo Nazis are known to go on massacres in other countries as well. This is a tip on the iceberg.

[Seangoli]

Took some digging, but here's the wiki that provides more details. It's truly a bizarre story, to say the least.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yakub_(Nation_of_Islam)

Edit: Apparently Gorillas were white people who tried to become black again. Neat.

Poe's law literally knows no bounds.

Hrm. If you are referring to me making it up for satire reasons, that would be wrong. It appears my link was copied wrong. I literally could not make this up if I wanted to.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yakub_(Nation_of_Islam)

Edit: For the life of me, the link won't work. Just click on the "Did you mean: Yaku_Nation_of_Islam" link.

[Vassenor]

And yet one has managed to end up with his hand up the president's backside.

So are you saying that Richard Spencer is representative of every Trump supporter?

No, I'm saying that as much as Americans hate those sorts of views it seems like there is a lot of apathy regarding Bannon pulling the strings.

[Galloism]

Poe's law literally knows no bounds.

Hrm. If you are referring to me making it up for satire reasons, that would be wrong. It appears my link was copied wrong. I literally could not make this up if I wanted to.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yakub_(Nation_of_Islam)

If not referencing that, then I'm utterly confused.

No, i mean that's fucking ridiculous, like if a person came into nationstates claiming to believe that, I would think they were putting me on.

But yet... real people apparently do.

It's Poe's Law in action.

[Kollin]

I mean it's interesting that the large number of neo-Nazis that rocked up at Trump rallies aren't representative of his entire supporter base, but when it comes to BLM we are required to judge the entire disparate movement based on isolated clusters of vocal extremists.

This is true. Neither is totally representative of their respective movements.

On the other hand, one was a pretty visible minority, while the other, according to reported observed behavior, looks like it has alot more pull, maybe even a majority pull.

Of course, if it's just that the peaceful sane people are more chill and quiet, maybe they should be a little louder about disassociating these people. Throw a proper, massive peaceful protest. Make it so big everyone has to notice even if no one gets beat over the head with a shoe. Announce it there.

I'd be perfectly happy for them to show me that's the case, but all i get to see the most of is the opposite. If it's how the media reports, fine, do something to get their attention without rioting and make the more peaceful side of the coin more well known.