The NationStates Feminist Thread III

[Purple Rats]

I don't understand why any man should want to not conform to traditional masculinity, just as I don't understand women who aren't traditionally feminine in nature. That is the ideal and the gold standard for how people should be in my view. So far as I can tell, people's rejection of their true biology/nature is individualism run amok. With few exceptions, following such a path tends to be more bad than good.

If they are not what you see "traditional way", then maybe it is not natural for them? So they don't reject their nature, they are how they feel is more natural to them.

[Tokuopolis]

That has never been an official policy anywhere, and the cultures that did marry off children viewed such people as practically adults in accordance to their circumstances at the given time and place. By medieval standards, 12 to 13 years of age was the age of adulthood for the most part, given that people typically died much earlier and the economy didn't demand as much education as today's societies do.

Child brides still exist, it's not medieval problem.

Should the age of consent be the same as the age you can get married? Just asking.

[Rojava Free State]

Raping kids has also been a thing for a long time. Are you saying child marriage should continue to exist?

That has never been an official policy anywhere, and the cultures that did marry off children viewed such people as practically adults in accordance to their circumstances at the given time and place. By medieval standards, 12 to 13 years of age was the age of adulthood for the most part, given that people typically died much earlier and the economy didn't demand as much education as today's societies do.

It should be noted that in today's context, there is no one left to look after the children, and daycares charge exorbitant amounts of money for their services whether people drop their kid(s) off or not. Whoever stays home to do childrearing is effectively written off as less employable or irrelevant if any major employment gap is accrued, given how businesses generally only care about the pursuit of more profits or maintaining their bottom line.

Half of the US as one example, still believes that kids are better off if one parent stays at home to attend to their needs, preferrably the mother. 40% of Americans say it should be mom, while only 5% say it should be dad that stays home to raise the children. That is why paid maternity leave can't be gotten. Tons of people aren't fully sold on the idea that women should even be in the workplace if they're mothers or are married and might become pregnant.

So let's marry 13 year olds girls to rich 25 year old men then? Cool.

[Rojava Free State]

I don't understand why any man should want to not conform to traditional masculinity, just as I don't understand women who aren't traditionally feminine in nature. That is the ideal and the gold standard for how people should be in my view. So far as I can tell, people's rejection of their true biology/nature is individualism run amok. With few exceptions, following such a path tends to be more bad than good.

I knew some men who fit your definition of masculinity sai. Guess what? They're dead. They took risks and asserted their dominance and couragenousness and one day they spun off the road and ended up in a fucking reservoir.

There was another one too. He was tied up and shot in his home in front of his family. Your definition of masculinity is primitive and uncivilized barbarism that leads to a short, violent existence. The only thing these so called men can say is "chaos is my life." They're mental slaves, easy for a less retarded man to take advantage of.

[Rojava Free State]

Child brides still exist, it's not medieval problem.

Should the age of consent be the same as the age you can get married? Just asking.

No, because marriage is a far greater commitment than sex.

I support the age of consent being about 16. That being said, I dont support getting married...ever, just fuck marriage. And if you're 30, you best be sticking to women your age.

[Rojava Free State]

I don't understand why any man should want to not conform to traditional masculinity, just as I don't understand women who aren't traditionally feminine in nature. That is the ideal and the gold standard for how people should be in my view. So far as I can tell, people's rejection of their true biology/nature is individualism run amok. With few exceptions, following such a path tends to be more bad than good.

If they are not what you see "traditional way", then maybe it is not natural for them? So they don't reject their nature, they are how they feel is more natural to them.

Many of the things I do don't fit the traditional concept of masculinity (exhibiting emotion, not wanting to fight every five seconds) and frankly I'm glad. I fit the traditional male role far better at 14, which is why I almost died several times at that age, because the "traditional male role" glorifies wonton violence and anger.

[Purple Rats]

Child brides still exist, it's not medieval problem.

Should the age of consent be the same as the age you can get married? Just asking.

I think so yes, as in these areas, where child brides are still a thing, people probably do not care about age of consent if they are all read married to that kid. And rape inside of marriage would also be just laughed off, as some people think that being married to someone already gives consent.

[Saiwania]

I fit the traditional male role far better at 14, which is why I almost died several times at that age, because the "traditional male role" glorifies wonton violence and anger.

No it doesn't. In my book, it is sufficient to be the main provider and protector of a household.

[Purple Rats]

I fit the traditional male role far better at 14, which is why I almost died several times at that age, because the "traditional male role" glorifies wonton violence and anger.

No it doesn't. In my book, it is sufficient to be the main provider and protector of a household.

And that pressure leads to depression in lot of men, if they have some period of time when they are not able to be provider, as "oh, no, I dont fill my duty of man"

Why does someone need to do something only because they are ___ gender? As a woman, I would never want a man to be provider and protector. If it happens that they have better job, sure, but not as a rule that it has to be that way.

[Rojava Free State]

I fit the traditional male role far better at 14, which is why I almost died several times at that age, because the "traditional male role" glorifies wonton violence and anger.

No it doesn't. In my book, it is sufficient to be the main provider and protector of a household.

Why must a man protect? Why can't a woman?

Why can't people just live how they wanna live? Do we really gotta have roles that are unnecessary dictating what people can do?

[Rojava Free State]

No it doesn't. In my book, it is sufficient to be the main provider and protector of a household.

And that pressure leads to depression in lot of men, if they have some period of time when they are not able to be provider, as "oh, no, I dont fill my duty of man"

Why does someone need to do something only because they are ___ gender? As a woman, I would never want a man to be provider and protector. If it happens that they have better job, sure, but not as a rule that it has to be that way.

Wait are you saying hypothetically as a woman, or are you a woman?

[Purple Rats]

And that pressure leads to depression in lot of men, if they have some period of time when they are not able to be provider, as "oh, no, I dont fill my duty of man"

Why does someone need to do something only because they are ___ gender? As a woman, I would never want a man to be provider and protector. If it happens that they have better job, sure, but not as a rule that it has to be that way.

Wait are you saying hypothetically as a woman, or are you a woman?

I am a woman.

[Saiwania]

And if you're 30, you best be sticking to women your age.

Women who're 30+ are of more limited utility if having children is a main objective for the man in question. That is quite absurd of a standard to live by, why adhere to that if 18 to 29 is perfectly acceptable should the woman be willing? 18 is clearly the age of adulthood in the vast majority of countries. Granted, if you're too old 18 to 21 or so is usually too low to realistically pull off. But 25+ is still easily done for a man who is in his early 30s.

[Rojava Free State]

And if you're 30, you best be sticking to women your age.

Women who're 30+ are of more limited utility if having children is a main objective for the man in question. That is quite absurd of a standard to live by, why adhere to that if 18 to 29 is perfectly acceptable should the woman be willing? 18 is clearly the age of adulthood in the vast majority of countries. Granted, if you're too old 18 to 21 or so is usually too low to realistically pull off. But 25+ is still easily done for a man who is in his early 30s.

Or you could just have kids when you're in your 20s, but I guess that's too difficult.

[Rojava Free State]

Wait are you saying hypothetically as a woman, or are you a woman?

I am a woman.

I haven't been this shocked since I found out Kowanii is black.

[Saiwania]

Or you could just have kids when you're in your 20s, but I guess that's too difficult.

People in their 20s typically aren't mature enough or don't have a lot of money or a good job lined up. If it is too late, yes it is impossible. Men don't have a biological clock to the same extent as women have, so it is generally seen as more permissable for the man to be older if that so happens to be the case. After all, no one is forcing any women to choose an older mate, just that this sometimes happens.

In my case anyways, I never managed to launch a career and perhaps never will to any great extent. Either I will eventually, or I'll reach the point where I have no path available but to die an early death having lost in life. When all money and support runs out, that is when I'll truly either survive or I won't.

Whatever happens will happen- so be it. Everything was for a reason.

[Purple Rats]

I am a woman.

I haven't been this shocked since I found out Kowanii is black.

That's why we should not assume anything from anyone

Also, we are running out of pages soon, should there be new thread?

[Galloism]

That has never been an official policy anywhere, and the cultures that did marry off children viewed such people as practically adults in accordance to their circumstances at the given time and place. By medieval standards, 12 to 13 years of age was the age of adulthood for the most part, given that people typically died much earlier and the economy didn't demand as much education as today's societies do.

It should be noted that in today's context, there is no one left to look after the children, and daycares charge exorbitant amounts of money for their services whether people drop their kid(s) off or not. Whoever stays home to do childrearing is effectively written off as less employable or irrelevant if any major employment gap is accrued, given how businesses generally only care about the pursuit of more profits or maintaining their bottom line.

Half of the US as one example, still believes that kids are better off if one parent stays at home to attend to their needs, preferrably the mother. 40% of Americans say it should be mom, while only 5% say it should be dad that stays home to raise the children. That is why paid maternity leave can't be gotten. Tons of people aren't fully sold on the idea that women should even be in the workplace if they're mothers or are married and might become pregnant.

So let's marry 13 year olds girls to rich 25 year old men then? Cool.

We (as a society, I mean) actually often marry 12 and 13 year old girls to 13 or 14 year old boys.

We also often think about the former and ignore the latter.

[Nakena]

So let's marry 13 year olds girls to rich 25 year old men then? Cool.

We (as a society, I mean) actually often marry 12 and 13 year old girls to 13 or 14 year old boys.

We also often think about the former and ignore the latter.

Is there sauce on how widespread this is?

[Tokuopolis]

Should the age of consent be the same as the age you can get married? Just asking.

No, because marriage is a far greater commitment than sex.

I support the age of consent being about 16. That being said, I dont support getting married...ever, just fuck marriage. And if you're 30, you best be sticking to women your age.

What do you think of Radfem Julie Bindel? She hates marriage so much that she ignores how the concept has evolved over time and varies across cultures.

Me, personally, I also support the Age of Consent being 16, but I think the age for Marriage should be 18 and up. If two people want to get married, they should be allowed to.

[Galloism]

We (as a society, I mean) actually often marry 12 and 13 year old girls to 13 or 14 year old boys.

We also often think about the former and ignore the latter.

Is there sauce on how widespread this is?

Enough to be disturbing.

[Purple Rats]

Should the age of consent be the same as the age you can get married? Just asking.

Me, personally, I also support the Age of Consent being 16, but I think the age for Marriage should be 18 and up. If two people want to get married, they should be allowed to.

I think I misunderstood your question before. What I wanted to say is that age of marriage should never be younger than age of consent.

In our country, age of consent is 14!! FUCKING 14!! That is... way too low. I do understand that lot of people are having sex on that age already, but still, 20 year old and 14 year old?

Age of marriage is 18 normally, but from age of 15 can go to court, with parents permission, and get married.

[Auze]

Should the age of consent be the same as the age you can get married? Just asking.

Me, personally, I also support the Age of Consent being 16, but I think the age for Marriage should be 18 and up. If two people want to get married, they should be allowed to.

I think I misunderstood your question before. What I wanted to say is that age of marriage should never be younger than age of consent.

In our country, age of consent is 14!! FUCKING 14!! That is... way too low. I do understand that lot of people are having sex on that age already, but still, 20 year old and 14 year old?

Lemme guess, Japan?

[Purple Rats]

In our country, age of consent is 14!! FUCKING 14!! That is... way too low. I do understand that lot of people are having sex on that age already, but still, 20 year old and 14 year old?

Lemme guess, Japan?

Not even close.

[Kowani]

I am a woman.

I haven't been this shocked since I found out Kowanii is black.

Don’t worry, you’re not the only one.

But in the Kowáni conlang, since you put it as Kowanii, that should be Kowanî.