The NationStates Feminist Thread III

[Fahran]

Well, no!

We are sentient beings with free will. However, ultimate meaning exists independently of our subjective interpretations.

Life has no meaning beyond our subjective interpretations.

That's just like your opinion, man/woman.

[Fahran]

That's all well and good, but I'm not atheist. I simply know history well enough to say with certainty that the Church is not gonna provide any useful answers to the situation at hand. In fact, given their histories, I am fairly certain that most of the religions factions are gonna fail to provide any insight on this front.

Feminism cannot simply disregard social institutions and their impact on gender, gendered behavior, and gender relations. Religion especially is integral a believer's construction of and beliefs about gender. Unless we're simply going to leave all religious women behind and wholly neglect their experiences. I think it's poor activism and poor scholarship to just dismiss these concerns out of hand.

[Rojava Free State]

That's all well and good, but I'm not atheist. I simply know history well enough to say with certainty that the Church is not gonna provide any useful answers to the situation at hand. In fact, given their histories, I am fairly certain that most of the religions factions are gonna fail to provide any insight on this front.

Feminism cannot simply disregard social institutions and their impact on gender, gendered behavior, and gender relations. Religion especially is integral a believer's construction of and beliefs about gender. Unless we're simply going to leave all religious women behind and wholly neglect their experiences. I think it's poor activism and poor scholarship to just dismiss these concerns out of hand.

Religion is very related to gender, in the sense that abrahamic religions have relegated women to basically being property for thousands of years. Religion in my opinion has been one of the biggest purveyors of sexism and continues to impinge upon equality. I never understood why women were more religious on average than men considering the western religions give men a huge privilege compared to females

[Totenborg]

Feminism cannot simply disregard social institutions and their impact on gender, gendered behavior, and gender relations. Religion especially is integral a believer's construction of and beliefs about gender. Unless we're simply going to leave all religious women behind and wholly neglect their experiences. I think it's poor activism and poor scholarship to just dismiss these concerns out of hand.

Religion is very related to gender, in the sense that abrahamic religions have relegated women to basically being property for thousands of years. Religion in my opinion has been one of the biggest purveyors of sexism and continues to impinge upon equality. I never understood why women were more religious on average than men considering the western religions give men a huge privilege compared to females

I couldn't have said it better.

[Totenborg]

Life has no meaning beyond our subjective interpretations.

That's just like your opinion, man/woman.

Of course, but I'm not claiming that my opinion has divine inspiration.

[Totenborg]

That's all well and good, but I'm not atheist. I simply know history well enough to say with certainty that the Church is not gonna provide any useful answers to the situation at hand. In fact, given their histories, I am fairly certain that most of the religions factions are gonna fail to provide any insight on this front.

Feminism cannot simply disregard social institutions and their impact on gender, gendered behavior, and gender relations. Religion especially is integral a believer's construction of and beliefs about gender. Unless we're simply going to leave all religious women behind and wholly neglect their experiences. I think it's poor activism and poor scholarship to just dismiss these concerns out of hand.

I'm not suggesting that feminism disregard religious institutions. I'm suggesting that feminism develop an outright antagonistic attitude toward religious institutions, as most religious institutions have an antagonistic attitude toward feminism. There are definitely exceptions like Wicca and the Satanic Temple, but they're certainly in the minority.

[Tarsonis]

Feminism cannot simply disregard social institutions and their impact on gender, gendered behavior, and gender relations. Religion especially is integral a believer's construction of and beliefs about gender. Unless we're simply going to leave all religious women behind and wholly neglect their experiences. I think it's poor activism and poor scholarship to just dismiss these concerns out of hand.

I'm not suggesting that feminism disregard religious institutions. I'm suggesting that feminism develop an outright antagonistic attitude toward religious institutions, as most religious institutions have an antagonistic attitude toward feminism. There are definitely exceptions like Wicca and the Satanic Temple, but they're certainly in the minority.

Well its witchcraft made up in the 20th century, and proxy devil worship also made up in the 20th century. So that make sense they'd embrace such a depraved thing as 3rd wave feminism.

[Totenborg]

I'm not suggesting that feminism disregard religious institutions. I'm suggesting that feminism develop an outright antagonistic attitude toward religious institutions, as most religious institutions have an antagonistic attitude toward feminism. There are definitely exceptions like Wicca and the Satanic Temple, but they're certainly in the minority.

Well its witchcraft made up in the 20th century, and proxy devil worship also made up in the 20th century. So that make sense they'd embrace such a depraved thing as 3rd wave feminism.

What's wrong with a little proxy devil worship?

[Galloism]

Feminism cannot simply disregard social institutions and their impact on gender, gendered behavior, and gender relations. Religion especially is integral a believer's construction of and beliefs about gender. Unless we're simply going to leave all religious women behind and wholly neglect their experiences. I think it's poor activism and poor scholarship to just dismiss these concerns out of hand.

I'm not suggesting that feminism disregard religious institutions. I'm suggesting that feminism develop an outright antagonistic attitude toward religious institutions, as most religious institutions have an antagonistic attitude toward feminism. There are definitely exceptions like Wicca and the Satanic Temple, but they're certainly in the minority.

The world is weird.

People who want equality are antagonistic towards feminism for fighting against equality, and religions who are against equality are antagonistic towards feminism for fighting against equality the wrong way (from their point of view).

[Nakena]

I'm not suggesting that feminism disregard religious institutions. I'm suggesting that feminism develop an outright antagonistic attitude toward religious institutions, as most religious institutions have an antagonistic attitude toward feminism. There are definitely exceptions like Wicca and the Satanic Temple, but they're certainly in the minority.

Well its witchcraft made up in the 20th century, and proxy devil worship also made up in the 20th century. So that make sense they'd embrace such a depraved thing as 3rd wave feminism.

The Satanic Temple is a setup to prove points in regards to religious freedom.

[Totenborg]

Well its witchcraft made up in the 20th century, and proxy devil worship also made up in the 20th century. So that make sense they'd embrace such a depraved thing as 3rd wave feminism.

The Satanic Temple is a setup to prove points in regards to religious freedom.

I know. I'm just being a smartass.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

Calling a person a baby factory is like calling a country a car factory because it's got a car factory in it tbh. Reductive.

Also, You may as well call someone a poop factory, or a carbon dioxide production plant.

At least with the latter two we don't have a choice and it's literally something we're built to have to do. If people were going round getting apoplectic over weirdos up and deciding it's their human right to have their poop surgically removed daily rather than shit it out i'd understand (In that stupid human way) where the disagreement came from and why people were so mad about it. Angry people shouting how it's unnatural and we're supposed to take shits and it's how we're built and so on and how the people are just degenerates winding people up for the sake of winding them up V You're treating me like i'm nothing but a poop factory because you hate me and so on.

You are a poop factory. That's literally what you are.

Incidentally, it is their human right to deal with their poop however they want, no matter how stupid it is.

With babies though, it's like, no. That's an option, not a fundamental aspect of existence. You can also do a handstand if you like, but you don't have to do one.

I'm just glad we figured out how to stand on two legs before social conservatism was a thing, can you imagine?

MARXIST CONSPIRACY TO UNSETTLE HONEST MAMMALS WITH JEWISH BIPEDAL MOTION PLOT, INTERRACIAL CHILD RAPE NEXT?! - The Daily Mail

Thank you, for the bold text.

[Nakena]

The Satanic Temple is a setup to prove points in regards to religious freedom.

I know. I'm just being a smartass.

Your edit came too late.

[Totenborg]

I know. I'm just being a smartass.

Your edit came too late.

Oopsy daisy.

[Ostroeuropa]

Lesbian marriages ending in divorce at twice the rate of gay marriages. This would appear to undermine Fahrans explanations for why women initiate most divorces with men and leans more toward the MRM interpretation of those stats.

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Lesbian marriages ending in divorce at twice the rate of gay marriages. This would appear to undermine Fahrans explanations for why women initiate most divorces with men and leans more toward the MRM interpretation of those stats.

Could you provide me a short summary of MRM theory on the high lesbian divorce rate?

[Totenborg]

Lesbian marriages ending in divorce at twice the rate of gay marriages. This would appear to undermine Fahrans explanations for why women initiate most divorces with men and leans more toward the MRM interpretation of those stats.

Could you provide me a short summary of MRM theory on the high lesbian divorce rate?

I'm sure it's just something about how women are bad, so two women have a bad marriage. Women bad! is usually the MRM interpretation of most things.

[The Xenopolis Confederation]

Could you provide me a short summary of MRM theory on the high lesbian divorce rate?

I'm sure it's just something about how women are bad, so two women have a bad marriage. Women bad! is usually the MRM interpretation of most things.

Men's rights =/= misogyny.

[New Paine]

I'm sure it's just something about how women are bad, so two women have a bad marriage. Women bad! is usually the MRM interpretation of most things.

Men's rights =/= misogyny.

The only part of the Men’s Rights movements that I actually have a decent amount respect for is the Father’s rights movement. There have been many Fathers that have been unjustly alienated from their children and They face systemic misandry in the courts. The other parts of the MRA mainly became MIGTOW and Incels....and I can’t say that I have that much respect for....

[The Xenopolis Confederation]

Men's rights =/= misogyny.

The only part of the Men’s Rights movements that I actually have a decent amount respect for is the Father’s rights movement. There have been many Fathers that have been unjustly alienated from their children and They face systemic misandry in the courts. The other parts of the MRA mainly became MIGTOW and Incels....and I can’t say that I have that much respect for....

My experience of MRAs has been much better.

Also, are you quite sure that those MGTOWs and incels explicitly identified as MRAs?

[Totenborg]

I'm sure it's just something about how women are bad, so two women have a bad marriage. Women bad! is usually the MRM interpretation of most things.

Men's rights =/= misogyny.

While that's technically true, MRAs that I've talked to, seen, and read about, have generally done very little to disentangle the two. I'm sure there are plenty of exceptions, but I've personally seen very few.

[Ors Might]

Men's rights =/= misogyny.

While that's technically true, MRAs that I've talked to, seen, and read about, have generally done very little to disentangle the two. I'm sure there are plenty of exceptions, but I've personally seen very few.

Could you provide examples, if possible? While I don’t deny that there are times when MRA’s (mostly justified, imo) beef with feminism can hinder the movement, I’ve personally not encountered many instances of misogynists in the movement. They’re there, of course, but they don’t make up a sizable bloc in the movement.

[The Xenopolis Confederation]

Men's rights =/= misogyny.

While that's technically true, MRAs that I've talked to, seen, and read about, have generally done very little to disentangle the two. I'm sure there are plenty of exceptions, but I've personally seen very few.

I would've thought you'd have seen more than very few exceptions on NS alone, given the amount of non-misogynistic MRAs I've seen you debate in this thread.

[Totenborg]

While that's technically true, MRAs that I've talked to, seen, and read about, have generally done very little to disentangle the two. I'm sure there are plenty of exceptions, but I've personally seen very few.

I would've thought you'd have seen more than very few exceptions on NS alone, given the amount of non-misogynistic MRAs I've seen you debate in this thread.

Maybe. To be fair, I may not be the best judge of this particular thing. I may just be too close to the subject, as I've never faced any discrimination on virtue of being a man, but I've witnessed tons of misogyny. So, I just come down on the feminism side of the coin. I'm trying to be less confrontational about it now, as I realize that I've come off as more than a bit aggressive in the past. The #gamergate crowd like a very particular poster here boil my blood to a point where I borderline get a rage headache, though.

[Loben The 2nd]

I would've thought you'd have seen more than very few exceptions on NS alone, given the amount of non-misogynistic MRAs I've seen you debate in this thread.

Maybe. To be fair, I may not be the best judge of this particular thing. I may just be too close to the subject, as I've never faced any discrimination on virtue of being a man, but I've witnessed tons of misogyny. So, I just come down on the feminism side of the coin. I'm trying to be less confrontational about it now, as I realize that I've come off as more than a bit aggressive in the past. The #gamergate crowd like a very particular poster here boil my blood to a point where I borderline get a rage headache, though.

why is that?