Des-Bal wrote:Just had a conversation so I thought I'd throw this out there:
Campaigns directed at believing or supporting female victims of sexual crimes seek to grant more privilege to an already privileged group.
I find the idea of "privilege" reductive and somewhat dehumanizing but female victims of sex crimes, without question, are taken much more seriously than male victims. To frame the way victims are doubted, dismissed, or ignored as being the result of women not being taken seriously ignores the fact that they're being treated better than the only other point of comparison. If feminism is about advancing women towards equality with men then advocating for better treatment of female victims is entirely non-feminist.
It's a welfare for whites moment certainly. I've been thinking about it recently and think it's an aspect of femininity and female identity post-feminism to behave this way. They changed the way women identify about themselves. That study showing in-group bias, more concern for women than men and all that supports it. You've got pretty much the same mechanisms they always blather on about, in this case the woman feels defeminized (the equivalent to emasculated) by the notion of male victims and female perpetrators, the existence of male disadvantage is a threat to her identity, so she throws a tantrum over it and tries to exclude men from that aspect of society and shut them down. All these organizations are just matriarchal institutions.
When feminists blithely waffle about how no its different because society is a patriarchy they're ignoring the fundamental aspect a play. Men gatekept masculine activities and recognition of masculinity in men. |Now women, and feminists, are doing the same for men, beyond that they've sanitized femininity and acted like it isn't harmful. This is a good example of how femininity is harmful. (I'd like to remind you that the Ruthman study showed the more strong a womans identity as a woman, the worse she was at all this chauvinism stuff. High femininity = more chauvinism = more gatekeeping.).
It's also hegemonic. Here, femininity is used to monopolize access to resources at the expense of others deemed less feminine or not traditionally feminine, social power is leveraged to create a hierarchy of access, feminine status, and recognition. That's pretty much a straight up example of oppression. By any reasonable definition, this is power, it merely doesn't present in masculine terms that feminists demand power be defined by, and if they ignore their ideologically induced pro-feminine chauvinism for a moment they'll realize, they think so too. (Take a look at all the "Empowering" rhjetoric they use about their activities.). This is the feminine version of hegemonic masculinity. They are obsessed with acquisition, perpetuation, and maintainence of female power and femininities gatekeeping of the sources and valid claimants of its power. They have, in effect, articulated an ideology of nothing more than projecting the negatives of femininity on to masculinity in addition to its own, with the effect of gatekeeping in this way, an ideology that is built to gatekeep power and acquire it at the expense of men.
When they waffle on about how its fine to just discuss womens issues, they're ignoring that's a direct parallel to "It's fine to have male only companies" and so on, and that the situation they are doing keeps in place systemic and widespread injustice.
The gatekeeping amounts to social violence to deny people attention and resources they need. This aspect of femininity is pretty much the direct result of the feminist movement and its redefining of femininity. It can't be blamed on patriarchal for women to behave this way, and the whole blaming patriarchy and misogyny for everything aspect is itself a manifestation of femininity and its negative attributes. Feminine chauvinism tends toward lack of responsibility for poor behavior, and while feminists blame this on patriarchy too, it's difficult to ignore that plenty of womens activists are currently pushing for things like an end to womens prisons.
This is because the feminist worldview is just the same thing. Feminist femininity causes these people to offload responsibility for negativity on to masculinity. The same dynamic we see between men and women exists between femininity and masculinity as concepts themselves, women downplay femininity and blame its negatives on men, and so on. The result is mistrust of men, and so on. The mechanism by which femininity harms others is, well, feminine, instead of masculine and direct. That can only really be laid at the feet of feminism, especially since it has taken active efforts to push the meme that women should not be the ones to care for men, without taking a critical eye to this female hegenomy over these attributes. (Equivalent to "We're not going to pay for shit anymore, go live on the street, this is about male liberation from your shit. No, you can't get a job, you're a woman, its fine to have male only companies.".)
Women feel defeminized when their agency isn't seen as wholly positive and reasonable at all times and places and they seen as the victims, and with the focus on them and their feelings and how anything done to harm them is wrong, even if greater harm is done to others in the process. Men gatekept respect and masculine status, women gatekeep empathy, attention, care, and so on. The stuff they say about "emasculating" applies to them too. Defeminizing. The tantrums they throw about it are equivalent to men throwing a tantrum about a woman doing something more masculine than them, like if a woman beats a man at a sport and he starts sulking and shouting and trying to get people to see a woman as having something wrong with her.
The MRM evaluation of feminism has been right from pretty much the beginning, albeit, also not as critical of femininity and feminisms' impact on it as they should have been. Much like happened with DV, rape, and so on, the negative aspects of womens identity, femininity, and how it does others harm, are ignored, and often projected on to men as their responsibility.
