The Berkeley Incident and Free Speech

[Albithica]

Your right to free speech protects you from the government. Just because you want to spew crap, nobody has to listen, or let you have a place to say it.

But obviously justifies a riot.

No, it justifies the protest. I don't think anyone here (from what I read) is attempting to justify a riot.

[Minzerland II]

But obviously justifies a riot.

No, it justifies the protest. I don't think anyone here (from what I read) is attempting to justify a riot.

The statement attempts to justify the riot, though.

[Republic of Canador]

Going to an event being held by someone you hate, thus getting more attention (doubly so if it gets shut down) Isn't really an intelligent thing to do. Just ignore them. He hasn't hurt anybody.

Except for those trans students he outed, while they were sat in the audience, and he livestreamed him doing it.

But whatever, no-one cares about them.

Except he didn't hurt them.

Unless you are talking about "feelings", at which point you're being ridiculous.

[Gauthier]

What Milo and his ilk are trying to do in this country is far more authoritarian than anything the leftists are doing to stop them.

Yannoupoulos is like so many fictional mad scientists, so determined to carry out his agenda he doesn't even bother to wonder if when all is said and done he'd be the next to line up in the crosshairs for the agenda.

[Socialist Tera]

Free speech only seems to applies to people when the ruling party agrees with it. I wouldn't be surprised if BLM becomes labelled as a terrorist group by the Republican government soon.

[Gauthier]

Free speech only seems to applies to people when the ruling party agrees with it. I wouldn't be surprised if BLM becomes labelled as a terrorist group by the Republican government soon.

Only if someone can record a BLM rally where the protestors chanted "Allahu Akbar".

[Costa Fierro]

What Milo and his ilk are trying to do in this country is far more authoritarian than anything the leftists are doing to stop them.

Yannoupoulos is like so many fictional mad scientists, so determined to carry out his agenda he doesn't even bother to wonder if when all is said and done he'd be the next to line up in the crosshairs for the agenda.

So Yiannoupoulos is not some attention whore but an evil personality hellbent on world domination?

[I didnt vote for Trump]

Jeez, looks like a lot of people seem to disagree here but I didn't think the concept of freedom of speech was supposed to apply to incoherent chanting and physical violence in order to drown out the words of somebody else. Not a lot of people seem to realise that the word "speech" in "freedom of speech" actually refers to expressing an opinion, not making noise.

All the protesters needed to do was stand or sit near the front of the building and voice their opinion in a sensibly intellectual manner. Their insistence on doubling down on crazy just created a whole new wave of videos that are going to flood bookface and reddit, reaching out to the lowest common denominator about the evil leftists burning buildings and bashing those they disagree with. Practically handing your executioner his ammunition at this point. I can guarantee a video about "leftists gathering to listen to speaker outside brietbart editor speak" is going to attract a lot less hits.

[Balochistan and New York]

Vassenor was putting them all in the same bag, so I did as well.

When did I do that?

Read what you posted properly

[Hexgard]

Jeez, looks like a lot of people seem to disagree here but I didn't think the concept of freedom of speech was supposed to apply to incoherent chanting and physical violence in order to drown out the words of somebody else. Not a lot of people seem to realise that the word "speech" in "freedom of speech" actually refers to expressing an opinion, not making noise.

All the protesters needed to do was stand or sit near the front of the building and voice their opinion in a sensibly intellectual manner. Their insistence on doubling down on crazy just created a whole new wave of videos that are going to flood bookface and reddit, reaching out to the lowest common denominator about the evil leftists burning buildings and bashing those they disagree with. Practically handing your executioner his ammunition at this point. I can guarantee a video about "leftists gathering to listen to speaker outside brietbart editor speak" is going to attract a lot less hits.

This sums it up. Shouting someone down, without being actually violent, is a breach of free speech as well, as you actually physically hinder them to word their thoughts. We shan't even discuss the few rioters in the protests which are just outright criminals.

[Vassenor]

When did I do that?

Read what you posted properly

No, I want you to show me when I did that. Don't just "listen and believe" it.

[Vassenor]

Jeez, looks like a lot of people seem to disagree here but I didn't think the concept of freedom of speech was supposed to apply to incoherent chanting and physical violence in order to drown out the words of somebody else. Not a lot of people seem to realise that the word "speech" in "freedom of speech" actually refers to expressing an opinion, not making noise.

All the protesters needed to do was stand or sit near the front of the building and voice their opinion in a sensibly intellectual manner. Their insistence on doubling down on crazy just created a whole new wave of videos that are going to flood bookface and reddit, reaching out to the lowest common denominator about the evil leftists burning buildings and bashing those they disagree with. Practically handing your executioner his ammunition at this point. I can guarantee a video about "leftists gathering to listen to speaker outside brietbart editor speak" is going to attract a lot less hits.

http://news.berkeley.edu/2017/02/01/yia ... -canceled/

The violence was instigated by a group of about 150 masked agitators who came onto campus and interrupted an otherwise non-violent protest.

So yeah, they were pretty content to do that.

[I didnt vote for Trump]

Jeez, looks like a lot of people seem to disagree here but I didn't think the concept of freedom of speech was supposed to apply to incoherent chanting and physical violence in order to drown out the words of somebody else. Not a lot of people seem to realise that the word "speech" in "freedom of speech" actually refers to expressing an opinion, not making noise.

All the protesters needed to do was stand or sit near the front of the building and voice their opinion in a sensibly intellectual manner. Their insistence on doubling down on crazy just created a whole new wave of videos that are going to flood bookface and reddit, reaching out to the lowest common denominator about the evil leftists burning buildings and bashing those they disagree with. Practically handing your executioner his ammunition at this point. I can guarantee a video about "leftists gathering to listen to speaker outside brietbart editor speak" is going to attract a lot less hits.

http://news.berkeley.edu/2017/02/01/yia ... -canceled/

The violence was instigated by a group of about 150 masked agitators who came onto campus and interrupted an otherwise non-violent protest.

So yeah, they were pretty content to do that.

At some point people are going to have to wake up and realise that "we didn't invite them, they weren't part of out protest" isn't a bird that's going to keep flying when this occurrence happens again, and again, and again.

[Grave_n_idle]

At some point people are going to have to wake up and realise that "we didn't invite them, they weren't part of out protest" isn't a bird that's going to keep flying when this occurrence happens again, and again, and again.

Indeed.

Which makes me wonder why the rightwing keeps perpetuating the narrative.

Well, except of course, it's good for them. That's why.

[Imperializt Russia]

Except for those trans students he outed, while they were sat in the audience, and he livestreamed him doing it.

But whatever, no-one cares about them.

...Has anyone sued him for that?

I wouldn't know. I don't know if "being outed" is something a Jury would offer damages for, and in Trump's America, it probably won't be for long if it is.

[Imperializt Russia]

Except for those trans students he outed, while they were sat in the audience, and he livestreamed him doing it.

But whatever, no-one cares about them.

Except he didn't hurt them.

Unless you are talking about "feelings", at which point you're being ridiculous.

So because he didn't physically assault them, what he did is irrelevant?
You know why harassment, incitement and verbal abuse are offences, right?

[Gauthier]

Yannoupoulos is like so many fictional mad scientists, so determined to carry out his agenda he doesn't even bother to wonder if when all is said and done he'd be the next to line up in the crosshairs for the agenda.

So Yiannoupoulos is not some attention whore but an evil personality hellbent on world domination?

Victor Frankenstein was obsessed with world domination now? Since you missed the point, it was that he's so fervently trying to push an anti-LGBTQ agenda he doesn't seem to grasp that the monster he nurtured is eventually going to turn on him.

[Ethel mermania]

Jeez, looks like a lot of people seem to disagree here but I didn't think the concept of freedom of speech was supposed to apply to incoherent chanting and physical violence in order to drown out the words of somebody else. Not a lot of people seem to realise that the word "speech" in "freedom of speech" actually refers to expressing an opinion, not making noise.

All the protesters needed to do was stand or sit near the front of the building and voice their opinion in a sensibly intellectual manner. Their insistence on doubling down on crazy just created a whole new wave of videos that are going to flood bookface and reddit, reaching out to the lowest common denominator about the evil leftists burning buildings and bashing those they disagree with. Practically handing your executioner his ammunition at this point. I can guarantee a video about "leftists gathering to listen to speaker outside brietbart editor speak" is going to attract a lot less hits.

http://news.berkeley.edu/2017/02/01/yia ... -canceled/

The violence was instigated by a group of about 150 masked agitators who came onto campus and interrupted an otherwise non-violent protest.

So yeah, they were pretty content to do that.

so the 150 have been arrested and we know they have no affiliation with the school. somehow i dont believe it.

[Corrian]

At some point people are going to have to wake up and realise that "we didn't invite them, they weren't part of out protest" isn't a bird that's going to keep flying when this occurrence happens again, and again, and again.

What are we supposed to do? Riot back to stop the rioters?

[Ethel mermania]

At some point people are going to have to wake up and realise that "we didn't invite them, they weren't part of out protest" isn't a bird that's going to keep flying when this occurrence happens again, and again, and again.

What are we supposed to do? Riot back to stop the rioters?

the police are suppose to do their job and arrest them.

[Corrian]

What are we supposed to do? Riot back to stop the rioters?

the police are suppose to do their job and arrest them.

That has nothing to do with the fact it seems implied that us saying we didn't invite them won't fly. What else are WE supposed to do, as protesters? Better we disown them then say nothing, but apparently nothing we do is satisfactory.

[Corrian]

Jesus Christ

[Gauthier]

Jesus Christ

"It Was Just A Joke" or "My Comment Was Taken Out Of Context" in 3... 2... 1...

[Corrian]

Jesus Christ

"It Was Just A Joke" or "My Comment Was Taken Out Of Context" in 3... 2... 1...

Read the article. He does the latter.

[Ethel mermania]

the police are suppose to do their job and arrest them.

That has nothing to do with the fact it seems implied that us saying we didn't invite them won't fly. What else are WE supposed to do, as protesters? Better we disown them then say nothing, but apparently nothing we do is satisfactory.

walk away, not scream "this is war" and "no safe space for racists", while the rioting is going on.

i dont believe there were no members of the berkley community involved in the rioting. When i see the rioters identified and arrested, and none of them are involved in the community, i will admit being wrong.