The Berkeley Incident and Free Speech

[Vassenor]

How does protesting against something you find objectionable make you an idiot anyway?

Going to an event being held by someone you hate, thus getting more attention (doubly so if it gets shut down) Isn't really an intelligent thing to do. Just ignore them. He hasn't hurt anybody.

Apart from that time someone protesting got shot.

[Des-Bal]

Apart from that time someone protesting got shot.

So someone getting shot by Milo supporter is "him hurting somebody" but a violent subset of protesters is in no way attributable to them?

[Arumbia67]

Going to an event being held by someone you hate, thus getting more attention (doubly so if it gets shut down) Isn't really an intelligent thing to do. Just ignore them. He hasn't hurt anybody.

Apart from that time someone protesting got shot.

Did Milo pull the trigger? No? Then he didn't hurt anyone.

[Gauthier]

Apart from that time someone protesting got shot.

So someone getting shot by Milo supporter is "him hurting somebody" but a violent subset of protesters is in no way attributable to them?

Black Bloc rioting can be attributed to the protestors, but a shooting by a Milo supporter can't be attributed to his fans as a whole. Convenient.

[Des-Bal]

Black Bloc rioting can be attributed to the protestors, but a shooting by a Milo supporter can't be attributed to his fans as a whole. Convenient.

That is, in essence, the literal opposite of what I just said.

[Arumbia67]

So someone getting shot by Milo supporter is "him hurting somebody" but a violent subset of protesters is in no way attributable to them?

Black Bloc rioting can be attributed to the protestors, but a shooting by a Milo supporter can't be attributed to his fans as a whole. Convenient.

Nobody said it couldn't. He said it can't be contributed to him personally. That can't be too difficult to understand. Although blaming people for things their fans do is hardly a recent thing. What was that quote again? "Next time you assault a dude, just tell the judge it was my fault and I'll get sued." That probably shows my age, but oh well.

[Sareva]

I have no idea what's going on here but someone said something I think we can all agree on.

"Free speech is a two-way street. If he has the right to spew his bullshit, then everyone else has the right to call him out on his bullshit."

Life is a two-way street. Unless it involves death, death is a one-way street.

Also, PREACH.

[Vassenor]

Look like he was planning on doing the whole "single individual students out for harassment" shtick again as well.

[Alvecia]

Apart from that time someone protesting got shot.

Did Milo pull the trigger? No? Then he didn't hurt anyone.

Independent of context, that doesn't make the metaphorical Milo blameless.

[Gauthier]

Look like he was planning on doing the whole "single individual students out for harassment" shtick again as well.

This is another one of those They Want To Tongue a Live Socket moment. Nobody's going to stop it or find anything wrong with it until a student he singles out ends up crippled or dead.

[Arumbia67]

Look like he was planning on doing the whole "single individual students out for harassment" shtick again as well.

This is another one of those They Want To Tongue a Live Socket moment. Nobody's going to stop it or find anything wrong with it until a student he singles out ends up crippled or dead.

Assuming it actually does happen.

[Proctopeo]

Look like he was planning on doing the whole "single individual students out for harassment" shtick again as well.

From the article, all they said was that he "could", that he "may", and that there is a "likelihood", not that he was planning to. I see Alternate Facts are alive and well, which is always nice to know.

Going by what the article actually says, the Horowitz Freedom Center has a point.

[Gyrenaica]

Poor Milo. The university really should have provided him with some kind of space that is safe from this kind of interference.

the rioters were burning things and caused an estimated $100K in damage. Security felt they were a threat and acted.

[Alvecia]

Poor Milo. The university really should have provided him with some kind of space that is safe from this kind of interference.

the rioters were burning things and caused an estimated $100K in damage. Security felt they were a threat and acted.

I should have been clearer, but I was specifically referring to the protestors, not the rioters.

[Gyrenaica]

So someone getting shot by Milo supporter is "him hurting somebody" but a violent subset of protesters is in no way attributable to them?

Black Bloc rioting can be attributed to the protestors, but a shooting by a Milo supporter can't be attributed to his fans as a whole. Convenient.

I thought I heard the shooting was out of defense? If not, fuck the shooter.

[Imperializt Russia]

How does protesting against something you find objectionable make you an idiot anyway?

Going to an event being held by someone you hate, thus getting more attention (doubly so if it gets shut down) Isn't really an intelligent thing to do. Just ignore them. He hasn't hurt anybody.

Except for those trans students he outed, while they were sat in the audience, and he livestreamed him doing it.

But whatever, no-one cares about them.

[Gyrenaica]

Going to an event being held by someone you hate, thus getting more attention (doubly so if it gets shut down) Isn't really an intelligent thing to do. Just ignore them. He hasn't hurt anybody.

Except for those trans students he outed, while they were sat in the audience, and he livestreamed him doing it.

But whatever, no-one cares about them.

I'm sad to say it but Milo has become kind of an ass more recently. I used to really like him, but it's just getting to be very dumb

[Herskerstad]

So were there any causalities besides the damages?

[Luminesa]

Going to an event being held by someone you hate, thus getting more attention (doubly so if it gets shut down) Isn't really an intelligent thing to do. Just ignore them. He hasn't hurt anybody.

Except for those trans students he outed, while they were sat in the audience, and he livestreamed him doing it.

But whatever, no-one cares about them.

...Has anyone sued him for that?

[Patridam]

Going to an event being held by someone you hate, thus getting more attention (doubly so if it gets shut down) Isn't really an intelligent thing to do. Just ignore them. He hasn't hurt anybody.

Apart from that time someone protesting got shot.

Except that was in self defense in response to an attempted assault.

[Greed and Death]

Apart from that time someone protesting got shot.

So someone getting shot by Milo supporter is "him hurting somebody" but a violent subset of protesters is in no way attributable to them?

Wasn't that self defense ? If anything the person who was shot should be sent to prison for 20 years.

[Proctopeo]

Apart from that time someone protesting got shot.

Except that was in self defense in response to an attempted assault.

Shh, don't get in the way of Alternate Facts

[Vlamistaatti]

Nobody here in this thread has actually expressed approval of anything of that like.

The idea of shutting down the event is, but nobody approved of the violent means by which it was achieved.

Ideals and reality are and will remain different. Sometimes, that's for the better. There will always be unacceptable things to any organized society, and absolute liberty is simply anarchy. Where the limits lie depend on the opinion of the people.

Can't have it both ways in this case.

Contrary to assumption. Nobody other then a legitimate authority figure actually had any legal "right" to stop (or force) the event to be cancelled. Mob of nobody's doesn't equal legally recognized authority.

IE in this case, being the campus itself. By acknowledging that you'd support shutting the event down anyways without any legal basis, you'll of course support what the rioters did by association.

[Minzerland II]

Your right to free speech protects you from the government. Just because you want to spew crap, nobody has to listen, or let you have a place to say it.

But obviously justifies a riot.

[Albithica]

I dislike when protests get violent, but I still defend (and support) the Berkeley protest in general. Milo has said some insanely inflammatory rhetoric. Milo has every right to speak about what he believes in. And the protesters have every right to protest the things he stands for. To many people, the things Milo says is offensive vitriol. And my personal belief coincides with this view. It doesn't matter if Milo is homosexual, his articles about LGBT issues is not simple criticism. It is downright degrading, homophobic rants. He has every right to speak his ideas, but no one should be surprised that people are genuinely angry enough to protest his event, forcing it to shut down. Free Speech doesn't protect someone from having their event cancelled due to backlash against their derogatory beliefs.