The Berkeley Incident and Free Speech

[Gauthier]

1.Universities have a right to not want their venue to be used to spout hate and harassment. Because, you know, they have this thing called their own form of free speech to say they don't want them speaking there. And it's not like these universities are restricting them. He's spoken at multiple universities after all. They just always end badly so they have to cancel.
2.That totally doesn't sound like it'd end in long term consequences. Though I can't say I'm against them getting arrested.

And then it ends with another Kent State.

But with Trump and his hardcore cultists sneering that the demonstrators were traitors that needed to be shot.

[The Princes of the Universe]

Alt-right is nothing but PC-speak for neo-Nazi.

The majority of people in the Alt-Right hate Milo. He is not a member of it, even if he claims to be. He's a gay Jew. Gay Jews cannot be Neo-Nazis.

If communists don't get to disown Stalin, you don't get to disown that dirtbag.

[Hexgard]

The majority of people in the Alt-Right hate Milo. He is not a member of it, even if he claims to be. He's a gay Jew. Gay Jews cannot be Neo-Nazis.

If communists don't get to disown Stalin, you don't get to disown that dirtbag.

Stalin was no communist in the Marxist sense, maybe on paper, in practice Stalin was, in the end of the day, a Stalinist (shocking, really).

But the poster above probably isn't speaking from an "alt right" perspective, but rather saying how Milo is no part of it. And he isn't and he has distanced himself several times from the whole alt-right, white nationalism, and so on.
So, it boils down to a false equivalency, Stalin for one did never say he was no communist, that he was no Marxist and so on.

[Arumbia67]

Two simple ways to handle future incidents like this. Any university that allows the restriction of free speech will be threatened with a loss of funds. Secondly, form a circle around any rioters with police cars and riot officers. Then give them 15 seconds to stop acting like spoiled toddlers. If they won't, start in with the tear gas. Then slowly push in and use SALT handguns to bring down any stragglers. Boom problem solved.

1.Universities have a right to not want their venue to be used to spout hate and harassment. Because, you know, they have this thing called their own form of free speech to say they don't want them speaking there. And it's not like these universities are restricting them. He's spoken at multiple universities after all. They just always end badly so they have to cancel.
2.That totally doesn't sound like it'd end in long term consequences. Though I can't say I'm against them getting arrested.

1. Sure they do. Just without taxpayer money. You want to not follow federal policy, you don't get federal funds. Also It's not about hate. It's about silencing opinions you don't like. I doubt they would cancel an event for the new black panthers for example. And they stood outside polling places threatening to bash peoples skulls if they didn't vote for Obama. Also, they can prevent their students from acting like morons because somebody hurt their pwecious little feelings. Just tell them no violence or rioting will be tolerated.

2. Then that's their own fault isn't it? If you're warned to stop acting like a little shit, and continue doing so I have zero sympathy if you get injured.

[Arumbia67]

And then it ends with another Kent State.

But with Trump and his hardcore cultists sneering that the demonstrators were traitors that needed to be shot.

A salt handgun fires tear gas pellets not real bullets. But who I am to stop a good fearmongering? Obviously they're going to be massacred by the hundreds *nods*.

[Vassenor]

But with Trump and his hardcore cultists sneering that the demonstrators were traitors that needed to be shot.

A salt handgun fires tear gas pellets not real bullets. But who I am to stop a good fearmongering? Obviously they're going to be massacred by the hundreds *nods*.

And who's to say it will stop with the less-lethal? Tear gas can still kill, you know.

Also I'm not finding a whole lot on Google for "Salt Handgun".

[Vassenor]

Also I still find it interesting that the logic still seems to be "I think these people are trying to restrict free speech, so we need to take away their free speech".

[Hexgard]

Also I still find it interesting that the logic still seems to be "I think these people are trying to restrict free speech, so we need to take away their free speech".

Yeah, true, but hey, pseudoleftist "liberals" are an odd bunch, their logic is odd as well.

[Greed and Death]

And then it ends with another Kent State.

But with Trump and his hardcore cultists sneering that the demonstrators were traitors that needed to be shot.

10 years in prison should be sufficient save capital punishment for the serious crimes.

[Great Nilfgaard]

The SJWs will come to regret their insolence when the shoe is on the other foot. Which, by all accounts, is fast approaching.

Every argument they've used to shut down people they don't like can just as seamlessly apply to them.

My favorite sign was "this is war"..... It will be interesting, very interesting, to see how long these hyperbolic and edgy brats last against those with actual training.

[Aclion]

Also I still find it interesting that the logic still seems to be "I think these people are trying to restrict free speech, so we need to take away their free speech".

Well as long as the government doesn't do it it's fine right?

[Imperializt Russia]

1.Universities have a right to not want their venue to be used to spout hate and harassment. Because, you know, they have this thing called their own form of free speech to say they don't want them speaking there. And it's not like these universities are restricting them. He's spoken at multiple universities after all. They just always end badly so they have to cancel.
2.That totally doesn't sound like it'd end in long term consequences. Though I can't say I'm against them getting arrested.

1. Sure they do. Just without taxpayer money. You want to not follow federal policy, you don't get federal funds. Also It's not about hate. It's about silencing opinions you don't like. I doubt they would cancel an event for the new black panthers for example. And they stood outside polling places threatening to bash peoples skulls if they didn't vote for Obama. Also, they can prevent their students from acting like morons because somebody hurt their pwecious little feelings. Just tell them no violence or rioting will be tolerated.

Pretty sure they'd not entertain the god damned Black Panthers either, mate.

Also note that the university cancelled the event, which was due to go ahead, after the protest. Not sure why everyone's blaming the uni here.

[Vassenor]

Also I still find it interesting that the logic still seems to be "I think these people are trying to restrict free speech, so we need to take away their free speech".

Well as long as the government doesn't do it it's fine right?

That's kind of putting words in my mouth there.

[Arumbia67]

A salt handgun fires tear gas pellets not real bullets. But who I am to stop a good fearmongering? Obviously they're going to be massacred by the hundreds *nods*.

And who's to say it will stop with the less-lethal? Tear gas can still kill, you know.

Also I'm not finding a whole lot on Google for "Salt Handgun".

It's a fairly new thing. And sure it can, so can a tazer. Doesn't mean It's a significant risk. And who's to say it will go any further than that? Not one person has died during the riots this year. Other than It being convenient to believe, there's no reason to think were going to see a massacre.

[Arumbia67]

Also I still find it interesting that the logic still seems to be "I think these people are trying to restrict free speech, so we need to take away their free speech".

Throwing tantrums isn't free speech. The minute you decide to start throwing rocks, smashing things, whatever It's not free speech.

[Vassenor]

Also I still find it interesting that the logic still seems to be "I think these people are trying to restrict free speech, so we need to take away their free speech".

Throwing tantrums isn't free speech. The minute you decide to start throwing rocks, smashing things, whatever It's not free speech.

And that justifies shutting down all protest how?

But if you want to base your opinions of what happened on the fact that a bunch of unrelated chucklefucks decided to play agent provocateur, that's fine too.

[Sanctissima]

Throwing tantrums isn't free speech. The minute you decide to start throwing rocks, smashing things, whatever It's not free speech.

And that justifies shutting down all protest how?

If it starts to get violent, then the protest has transformed into a riot. At that point, it needs to be shut down.

[Salandriagado]

I like the fact that you A, concede that Spencer is a Nazi and B, then proceed to defend the Nazi.

Espousing Nazi, that is, fascist and genocidal beliefs, is definitely ethical to oppose violently.
As was done once before, and will be done again as necessary - one can only hope.

We did not at any point oppose the espousing of Nazi beliefs with violence. What was defended against with violence was the spread of Nazi beliefs through violence. No more, no less.

So what? If Hitler had stuck to just murdering all of the Jews/otherwise untermenchen in Germany, that would have been A-OK?

It's like saying "Look at this faggot!" in the middle of Iraq. You *do* realize that trans* individuals already suffer violence for being trans with alarming regularity, right?

I've never witnessed nor heard of violence against transgender people for being transgender. Excluding one trans-woman who hadn't undergone the surgery and was working as a prostitute. Totally looked like a chick, but one of her clients was rather disturbed to find out they had been the victim of false advertising, so he stabbed her and ran.

Other than that, none.

Then you haven't been paying attention.

The Germans also had to revoke control of their colonies, their military was restricted to 100,000 men, they lost 25,000 square-miles of land, 7 million citizens, as well as the gains made in the Treaty of Brest-Litovsk, AND they had to grant independence to multiple protectorates.

All because they honoured their alliance with Austria, which is basically what everyone had done. Germany, who was forced to take full responsibility of the war, was really no different than any of the Allies.

That's just not fair.

Literally all the bolded fall into : "only ha[ving] to hand back core provinces of other nations as well as the few colonies they had and repay less than the damages they caused on the western front alone" and the Italic is quite clement when you compare it to the actual military occupation they faced after WW2.

Anyway, I would agree with you to say it wasn't fair. Indeed, it was way too lenient of a fate for the Germany who both indirectly, by its thief of Alsace-Lorraine that ensured that there could be no peace between two of the Greatest powers of Europe and by its organisation of the system of "blocs" that never existed to such an extent in Europe before, and very directly, by its bullying attitude and overtly aggressive stance both before and during the crisis, was the almost sole cause of WW1 happening in the first place.

If anything, Germany should have been crushed completely like it was originally planned with the Rhineland annexed or set up as a protectorate, Bavaria liberated and various other small states propped up everywhere completed with a military occupation of the land until reparations were paid.
That, is the punishment Germany deserved for its crimes.

What crime, precisely, did Germany commit in World War I that the UK, for example, didn't?

[Arumbia67]

Throwing tantrums isn't free speech. The minute you decide to start throwing rocks, smashing things, whatever It's not free speech.

And that justifies shutting down all protest how?

But if you want to base your opinions of what happened on the fact that a bunch of unrelated chucklefucks decided to play agent provocateur, that's fine too.

Interesting how anytime there's riots people put their fingers in their ears and scream LALALAL THEY'RE UNRELATED!!! But anyway, I didn't say to shut down all of the protests. Just the violent ones. Maybe actually read the full post?

[Vassenor]

And that justifies shutting down all protest how?

But if you want to base your opinions of what happened on the fact that a bunch of unrelated chucklefucks decided to play agent provocateur, that's fine too.

Interesting how anytime there's riots people put their fingers in their ears and scream LALALAL THEY'RE UNRELATED!!! But anyway, I didn't say to shut down all of the protests. Just the violent ones. Maybe actually read the full post?

http://news.berkeley.edu/2017/02/01/yia ... -canceled/

The violence was instigated by a group of about 150 masked agitators who came onto campus and interrupted an otherwise non-violent protest.

So yes, it was unrelated.

[Gauthier]

Interesting how anytime there's riots people put their fingers in their ears and scream LALALAL THEY'RE UNRELATED!!! But anyway, I didn't say to shut down all of the protests. Just the violent ones. Maybe actually read the full post?

http://news.berkeley.edu/2017/02/01/yia ... -canceled/

The violence was instigated by a group of about 150 masked agitators who came onto campus and interrupted an otherwise non-violent protest.

So yes, it was unrelated.

Black Bloc is now liberal.

[Arumbia67]

Interesting how anytime there's riots people put their fingers in their ears and scream LALALAL THEY'RE UNRELATED!!! But anyway, I didn't say to shut down all of the protests. Just the violent ones. Maybe actually read the full post?

http://news.berkeley.edu/2017/02/01/yia ... -canceled/

The violence was instigated by a group of about 150 masked agitators who came onto campus and interrupted an otherwise non-violent protest.

So yes, it was unrelated.

Because the university newspaper is totally trustworthy, and wouldn't in anyway be biased. But assuming It's true, that's great. Just arrest the violent ones, and leave the rest to make idiots of themselves.

[Vassenor]

http://news.berkeley.edu/2017/02/01/yia ... -canceled/



So yes, it was unrelated.

Because the university newspaper is totally trustworthy, and wouldn't in anyway be biased. But assuming It's true, that's great. Just arrest the violent ones, and leave the rest to make idiots of themselves.

How does protesting against something you find objectionable make you an idiot anyway?

[Sanctissima]

Interesting how anytime there's riots people put their fingers in their ears and scream LALALAL THEY'RE UNRELATED!!! But anyway, I didn't say to shut down all of the protests. Just the violent ones. Maybe actually read the full post?

http://news.berkeley.edu/2017/02/01/yia ... -canceled/

The violence was instigated by a group of about 150 masked agitators who came onto campus and interrupted an otherwise non-violent protest.

So yes, it was unrelated.

Even though it was a group of instigators, and not all the protesters, that were being violent, you can't just let the protests continue. When shit starts to get violent you need to shut it down.

[Arumbia67]

Because the university newspaper is totally trustworthy, and wouldn't in anyway be biased. But assuming It's true, that's great. Just arrest the violent ones, and leave the rest to make idiots of themselves.

How does protesting against something you find objectionable make you an idiot anyway?

Going to an event being held by someone you hate, thus getting more attention (doubly so if it gets shut down) Isn't really an intelligent thing to do. Just ignore them. He hasn't hurt anybody.