The Berkeley Incident and Free Speech

[Jochizyd Republic]

I was there with a few other people here and there jeering the protestors.

It was fun.

Those Fascist trash containers sure paid for their crimes I can tell you.

[Jamzmania]

Why? What is wrong with publishing ones views?

What is wrong with persuading publishers not to publish those views?

You're trying to interrupt the free market of ideas.

[Republic of Canador]

Why? What is wrong with publishing ones views?

What is wrong with persuading publishers not to publish those views?

It effectively implies that you do not tolerate those views which do not resonate with your very own. Very dangerous logic.

[Conserative Morality]

You're trying to interrupt the free market of ideas.

TIL the free market is only free when you agree with it. "Boo hoo people don't like what I'm saying this is basically slavery =^^^("

[Conserative Morality]

It effectively implies that you do not tolerate those views which do not resonate with your very own. Very dangerous logic.

"Hey, PBS, I don't want you to run neo-Nazi screeds."

"lol too bad."

"Okay I guess I'll just sit here and watch them because that's how the free market apparently works nowadays."

[The Texan Union]

Why is that?

It's considered trolling, that's why. And no, we're not going to discuss it here, that's not what this thread is about. I just wouldn't go there.

Gender dysphoria is undeniably a mental illness. It's not debatable and there's nothing to be discussed. I'm bipolar. That's a mental illness. I'm not saying it's a bad thing to have a mental illness.

I'm not meaning to piss people off, is all I'm trying to say. I apologize if people took it that way.

[Hyggemata]

What is wrong with persuading publishers not to publish those views?

It effectively implies that you do not tolerate those views which do not resonate with your very own. Very dangerous logic.

It does not imply that.

[Volitopia]

1. "As Milo himself has said in the past, if somebody is wrong talk about it. Shine the light on it. But apparently those outside the venue couldn't afford to have any lights shown on opinions they disagree with." - Originally, the protest was actually peacefully done by the very liberals you criticize for violence. Reports from news and the police agree that anarchists infiltrated the crowd and began the fiery ruckus. This is like blaming the Women's March on Washington for the Anarchistic riots on Inauguration Day.

2. "Whatever one's opinion of Milo is, does that opinion really validate the decision to shut down free speech? Especially on a campus meant for higher education?" - Freedom of speech is protection from excessive government control, while other, ordinary people, don't have to listen to you or let you talk if you they don't want you to. This (https://xkcd.com/1357/) illustrates this part of the topic well enough.

While I understand your points of tyranny by majority, why did he choose to give that talk there? One of the main points of his talk was about cutting funding to sanctuary cities, and he's trying to say this in Berkley. Looks like seeking for trouble, really. I think for greater effectiveness, he could say what he wants to say a little off-sides, and send it to the free internet! That way no one gets hurt and everyone can still access his speech.

[Hyggemata]

What is wrong with persuading publishers not to publish those views?

You're trying to interrupt the free market of ideas.

That is not a market.

[Patridam]

So let me guess, most of the thread is taking the side of the rioters protesters here?

I hope Trump does defund Berkeley, and I hope Milo's book sells great. I only feel bad for the Trump supporters that got beaten, attacked, and pepper sprayed - it's hard for me to be to be a Republican at even a middling private university in Pennsylvania, I can only imagine how terrible it has to be a conservative or libertarian at a hardcore leftist public university deep in blue territory.

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The business and University shouldn't have been harmed but there should have been no-platforming anyways.

Well too bad you think that numerous businesses and tons of university property shouldn't have been damaged (apparently you don't care about people being assaulted, or the arson, or the speaker being forced to evacuate and then later have people pursue his tour bus). It didn't go down how you wanted it, it went down how it went down: AS A RIOT. Not a protest, a riot. You don't get to fix my statement, because it is fact.

[Uiiop]

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The business and University shouldn't have been harmed but there should have been no-platforming anyways.

I'm sure you wouldn't mind if they were no-platforming leftists? Liberals, communists, feminists, what-have-you? All because their opinions are disagreeable?

If those people advocated harassment yes i wouldn't mind. However, That isn't quite your "all because" isn't it?

[Uiiop]

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The business and University shouldn't have been harmed but there should have been no-platforming anyways.

Well too bad you think that numerous businesses and tons of university property shouldn't have been damaged (apparently you don't care about people being assaulted, or the arson, or the speaker being forced to evacuate and then later have people pursue his tour bus). It didn't go down how you wanted it, it went down how it went down: AS A RIOT. Not a protest, a riot. You don't get to fix my statement, because it is fact.

The black block are dicks...news at 11.
Doesn't mean that most people here actually supported them.

[Hyggemata]

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The business and University shouldn't have been harmed but there should have been no-platforming anyways.

Well too bad you think that numerous businesses and tons of university property shouldn't have been damaged (apparently you don't care about people being assaulted, or the arson, or the speaker being forced to evacuate and then later have people pursue his tour bus). It didn't go down how you wanted it, it went down how it went down: AS A RIOT. Not a protest, a riot. You don't get to fix my statement, because it is fact.

You seem to imply that every single person there contributed to the violence. Provide evidence or that strikethrough stays there.

[Patridam]

I will do everything within my power to persuade every last publisher not to touch the manuscript of that book with a ten foot pole.

Good lucky boyo. The book's preorder sales are up 18,000 percent following the Berkeley Riots. The rioters are playing right into his hands, making him a martyr for free speech (especially on college campuses, but in general too).

[The Texan Union]

Why? What is wrong with publishing ones views?

What is wrong with persuading publishers not to publish those views?

A number of things, but above all it's a really stupid tactic. Especially when the guy you're trying to silence constantly talks about how liberals try to silence conservatives. You're just tossing fuel on the fire. People naturally want to read stuff that a lot of people don't want them to read.

[Uiiop]

What is wrong with persuading publishers not to publish those views?

A number of things, but above all it's a really stupid tactic. Especially when the guy you're trying to silence constantly talks about how liberals try to silence conservatives. You're just tossing fuel on the fire. People naturally want to read stuff that a lot of people don't want them to read.

What you promote other Conservative authors as a replacement?

[Hyggemata]

I will do everything within my power to persuade every last publisher not to touch the manuscript of that book with a ten foot pole.

Good lucky boyo. The book's preorder sales are up 18,000 percent following the Berkeley Riots. The rioters are playing right into his hands, making him a martyr for free speech (especially on college campuses, but in general too).

Well, I can see through his ploy. It's a fine line between what he was insinuating and what is actually true, but the difference is there.

[Hyggemata]

What is wrong with persuading publishers not to publish those views?

A number of things, but above all it's a really stupid tactic. Especially when the guy you're trying to silence constantly talks about how liberals try to silence conservatives. You're just tossing fuel on the fire. People naturally want to read stuff that a lot of people don't want them to read.

Well, stop him from being heard. People will find better stories to latch onto.

[Jamzmania]

A number of things, but above all it's a really stupid tactic. Especially when the guy you're trying to silence constantly talks about how liberals try to silence conservatives. You're just tossing fuel on the fire. People naturally want to read stuff that a lot of people don't want them to read.

Well, stop him from being heard. People will find better stories to latch onto.

Better stories like...

"Radicals riot, vandalize, and commit violence to stop gay man from speaking!"

[Patridam]

Good lucky boyo. The book's preorder sales are up 18,000 percent following the Berkeley Riots. The rioters are playing right into his hands, making him a martyr for free speech (especially on college campuses, but in general too).

Well, I can see through his ploy. It's a fine line between what he was insinuating and what is actually true, but the difference is there.

It's a fine line only you can see because you're imagining it.

[The Texan Union]

A number of things, but above all it's a really stupid tactic. Especially when the guy you're trying to silence constantly talks about how liberals try to silence conservatives. You're just tossing fuel on the fire. People naturally want to read stuff that a lot of people don't want them to read.

What you promote other Conservative authors as a replacement?

I wouldn't "replace" anyone. That's sick. His ideas are his own, and he has the right to express them.

[Uiiop]

What you promote other Conservative authors as a replacement?

I wouldn't "replace" anyone. That's sick. His ideas are his own, and he has the right to express them.

Again even if it means advocating bullying people into different sex marriages?

[Jochizyd Republic]

I was there with a few other people here and there jeering the protestors.

It was fun.

Those Fascist trash containers sure paid for their crimes I can tell you.

Seriously though, the protests were a bit much.

Let Milo speak even if you don't like him not everyone who disagrees with you is a Fashy Nazi, kids.

(Obviously, I really hate Milo as well.)

[Patridam]

A number of things, but above all it's a really stupid tactic. Especially when the guy you're trying to silence constantly talks about how liberals try to silence conservatives. You're just tossing fuel on the fire. People naturally want to read stuff that a lot of people don't want them to read.

Well, stop him from being heard. People will find better stories to latch onto.

Ah yes, the try to stop Milo from speaking route, because that has gone over so well for the thousands upon thousands of people who have tried before.

It's not worth it, you're only shooting your own cause in the foot (well, probably the pelvis by now since the 2016 election gnawed off your legs). I've listened to Milo's speeches. They're nothing impressive, the only reason he's famous and has any power is because of people like you.

[Hyggemata]

Well, stop him from being heard. People will find better stories to latch onto.

Better stories like...

"Radicals riot, vandalize, and commit violence to stop gay man from speaking!"

You know perfectly well that it's like Tiger Woods and his 8 girlfriends that we're talking about.