The Berkeley Incident and Free Speech

[Proctopeo]

Not quite a re-education camp, but I do concede that it's not that far off. The larger problem is that "social justice" courses are a requirement, with the fact that (at least) one of the required ones is not just full of falsehoods, but potentially harmful falsehoods, making it even worse. Like pouring sewage on an open wound.



Eh, not quite the same thing. I concede that the comparisons aren't always perfect, though.

"Not-far-off" Nazis.
*shrug*
I'll take it.

http://www.thecollegefix.com/post/24980/

Example of the consequences on campus.
Read to compare/contrast reality with their indoctrination courses on what university is like.
The press likewise bolsters this illusionary reality these types push.

I count it as a "first step" in a sense, although perhaps less to Nazi Germany and more to 1984's Oceania, where truths are lies, war is peace, and freedom is slavery.

The CEPA actions are a little alarming, though, if I'm going to be honest.

[Liriena]

The media accurately reporting his neverending series of blunders is part of a plan to get him assassinated?

Good conspiracy theory. Reminds me of when Chavez and Fernandez whined about "soft coups" and tried to gaslight entire nations.

I have been paying an awful lot of attention myself, Ostro, and I have twelve years of experience with that sort of rhetoric, so your "wake up sheeple" talk ain't gonna work on me.

No, the media doing so while also talking up the idea that he is a fascist, and violence against fascists is acceptable, is an attempt to get him killed.

No, not really. And I haven't seen the mainstream media as a whole try to make violence against fascists acceptable. I'm sure there have been individual op-eds pondering the subject, and debates in which one side argued for it, and I imagine some may have talked at some length about the viral video of Richard Spencer getting punched, but it's going to take more than that to convince me that there's this vast and coordinated conspiracy to simultaneously portray Trump as a fascist, normalize violence against fascists, and thus eventually lead to him getting assassinated.

I have read a fair share of content in mainstream outlets regarding violence against fascists, and so far the consensus in the mainstream seems to be a resounding "nope". Unless you are going to start treating far left blogs and forums as part of the mainstream media, I don't see how you can claim that this supposed conspiracy is real.

[Wallenburg]

Uh huh. Sure.

I present exhibit A:
https://www.google.co.uk/?gfe_rd=cr&ei= ... odgers+mra

Absolute bullshit peddled in an effort to cast anti-feminist criticism as violence.

I don't see what the issue is in correctly identifying Rodgers as an MRA.

see also, Gamergate.

I don't recall Gamergate being a topic of any significant during or directly before Milo's trip to Berkeley.

The press never actually engages with Milo's criticism of feminism. They just say he's a misogynist and supports violence against women.

Well, he doesn't exactly do a good job to convince me that he cares about gender equality. As to violence against women, I can't find anything where a news organization says he supports it.
[quote\Indeed, this is the substance of all their responses to his criticism, because once again:

No principles, only enemies.

Milos crime isn't anything he's said or done to anyone except them. They hate him because he doesn't stick to the party line.[/quote]
Which party line?

They frame this as "Their opinion" but in their position and with the collusion they engage in, it's tantamount to slander and violent intimidation in the current climate, given their also frequent endorsement of violence against political opponents of a certain type.
(A certain type it just so happens everyone who criticizes them falls into.)

It seems more likely that the alt right simply sees any opinion differing from its own as "slander and violent intimidation".

This justification also doesn't do anything to dismiss the charge they are elitist gatekeepers, and around 90% should be fired and replaced with others to better reflect the population.

You don't seem to actually have a solid idea of what you want here. You said you wanted to ban establishment news. Then you said you wanted to ban all reporters, full stop. Then you say you want news organizations to limit their profit sources to subscriptions. Now you want to nonviolently/violently purge the media of current employees because...reasons? Make up your mind already.

One result of the media misrepresenting and lying constantly about their ideological opponents and threats to their power to control the limits of acceptable discourse is violence against their targets.

Oh, certainly, that can be a serious problem. Especially with news outlets like FOX.

They're basically trying to get Trump murdered at this point too if you bother to pay attention.

Oh, please. Spare the drama. The only one making people angry at Donald Trump is Donald Trump.

The press have always been peddlers of violence, outgrouping, and hysteria when it suits them. It's nothing new, it's just that now we're noticing it more, and something should be done about it.

So when you said freedom of press has "outlived its usefulness", you never actually believed that. You think the press has never been anything but an enemy of the public. Do you plan on actually putting together a coherent opinion on this subject, or are you just angry that the media doesn't kowtow to your ideology?

Personally i'm not convinced the press as an institution deserves to survive. I suppose you could call me a press anarchist.
But i'd be happy with just crippling their ability to effect society.

Let me know how not knowing shit about what is going on around the world, in the nation, or even anywhere an hour or more away goes. If you will excuse me, I prefer the ability to find information.

[Liriena]

www.thecollegefix.com

Your Daily Dose of RIGHT-Minded News

How quaint.

[G-Tech Corporation]

"Not-far-off" Nazis.
*shrug*
I'll take it.

http://www.thecollegefix.com/post/24980/

Example of the consequences on campus.
Read to compare/contrast reality with their indoctrination courses on what university is like.
The press likewise bolsters this illusionary reality these types push.

I count it as a "first step" in a sense, although perhaps less to Nazi Germany and more to 1984's Oceania, where truths are lies, war is peace, and freedom is slavery.

The CEPA actions are a little alarming, though, if I'm going to be honest.

Funny, I was just thinking about that whole "he who controls the present controls the past, and he who controls the past controls the future" bit in regards to thinks like the newly renamed Calhoun college, and other matters like the portrayal of the various statesmen that founded the US. Interesting to observe the truth of that principle.

[Liriena]

"Not-far-off" Nazis.
*shrug*
I'll take it.

http://www.thecollegefix.com/post/24980/

Example of the consequences on campus.
Read to compare/contrast reality with their indoctrination courses on what university is like.
The press likewise bolsters this illusionary reality these types push.

I count it as a "first step" in a sense, although perhaps less to Nazi Germany and more to 1984's Oceania, where truths are lies, war is peace, and freedom is slavery.

The CEPA actions are a little alarming, though, if I'm going to be honest.

People really should stop trying to turn Orwell's work into a parable of whatever contemporary inconvenience they happen to be irritated about.

If it's not an actual totalitarian regime you're talking about, then it's probably not the least bit like 1984.

[G-Tech Corporation]

www.thecollegefix.com

Your Daily Dose of RIGHT-Minded News

How quaint.

I personally enjoyed how little the article actually reported on. An excellent exercise in using a provocative title and lots of words to disguise barely any substance.

[Proctopeo]

I present exhibit A:
https://www.google.co.uk/?gfe_rd=cr&ei= ... odgers+mra

Absolute bullshit peddled in an effort to cast anti-feminist criticism as violence.

I don't see what the issue is in correctly identifying Rodgers as an MRA.

"correctly"
>tfw being on a fringe anti-PUA site = MRA

I count it as a "first step" in a sense, although perhaps less to Nazi Germany and more to 1984's Oceania, where truths are lies, war is peace, and freedom is slavery.

The CEPA actions are a little alarming, though, if I'm going to be honest.

People really should stop trying to turn Orwell's work into a parable of whatever contemporary inconvenience they happen to be irritated about.

If it's not an actual totalitarian regime you're talking about, then it's probably not the least bit like 1984.

The key word here is "first step". They're not at "totalitarian regime" yet, but they've already got the goodthink. Baby steps.

[Liriena]

I don't see what the issue is in correctly identifying Rodgers as an MRA.

"correctly"
>tfw being on a fringe anti-PUA site = MRA

People really should stop trying to turn Orwell's work into a parable of whatever contemporary inconvenience they happen to be irritated about.

If it's not an actual totalitarian regime you're talking about, then it's probably not the least bit like 1984.

The key word here is "first step". They're not at "totalitarian regime" yet, but they've already got the goodthink. Baby steps.

Not really.

[Proctopeo]

"correctly"
>tfw being on a fringe anti-PUA site = MRA


The key word here is "first step". They're not at "totalitarian regime" yet, but they've already got the goodthink. Baby steps.

Not really.

10/10 response would quote again

[Liriena]

Your Daily Dose of RIGHT-Minded News

How quaint.

I personally enjoyed how little the article actually reported on. An excellent exercise in using a provocative title and lots of words to disguise barely any substance.

Also known as clickbait, the scourge of journalism. As an aspiring journalist myself, I am more concerned by that sort of thing than by Ostro's apocalyptic allegations.

[G-Tech Corporation]

I personally enjoyed how little the article actually reported on. An excellent exercise in using a provocative title and lots of words to disguise barely any substance.

Also known as clickbait, the scourge of journalism. As an aspiring journalist myself, I am more concerned by that sort of thing than by Ostro's apocalyptic allegations.

It's more amusing really that people link clickbait as sources for NSG.

I mean, do people think that links don't get read?

[Ostroeuropa]

"correctly"
>tfw being on a fringe anti-PUA site = MRA


The key word here is "first step". They're not at "totalitarian regime" yet, but they've already got the goodthink. Baby steps.

Not really.

When there is absolutely no effort to even conceal the following facts being true simultaneously, why shouldn't white people and men view this movement as a fascist threat to their existence or freedoms/equality?

1. There are numerous high profile people in our movement who hate white people and men, but their hatred is of no consequence because they "have no power.", and so we will do absolutely nothing about their presence in our ranks nor the positions they hold within them.

2. These people are seeking power and we are trying to get it to them.

When you couple that with these kind of indoctrination courses, the violent suppression of dissent such as the MRM and such, what's the difference at this point.
No seriously.

without using special pleading.
How are these people not basically nazi wannabes?

"Jim constantly threatening to murder you and your family with a gun isn't a problem because he doesn't have a gun. And you're a bad person for not letting him have a gun."

[Liriena]

Also known as clickbait, the scourge of journalism. As an aspiring journalist myself, I am more concerned by that sort of thing than by Ostro's apocalyptic allegations.

It's more amusing really that people link clickbait as sources for NSG.

I mean, do people think that links don't get read?

I have a lot to criticize about La Nación, my country's leading conservative newspaper, starting with their history of supporting our military dictatorships, their comments section being a cesspool, and their online world news section being so neglected that they might as well stop pretending and outsource the lot of it to Reuters... But if there's one good thing I can say about them, it's that they avoid clickbait and any manner of distortions in their headlines like it's ebola.

[G-Tech Corporation]

It's more amusing really that people link clickbait as sources for NSG.

I mean, do people think that links don't get read?

I have a lot to criticize about La Nación, my country's leading conservative newspaper, starting with their history of supporting our military dictatorships, their comments section being a cesspool, and their online world news section being so neglected that they might as well stop pretending and outsource the lot of it to Reuters... But if there's one good thing I can say about them, it's that they avoid clickbait and any manner of distortions in their headlines like it's ebola.

Honestly, if you look at most major papers or news organizations anywhere with a controversial past, there's always something they've done that is objectionable. The Beeb, for instance, had a history in the 1960s of bashing gays and basically laughing off rape stories.

And any comments section is a cesspool on the unmoderated internet. C'est la vie. Hell, Cracked, despite theoretically being a comedy website, has a humdinger full of cancer under every article.

[Liriena]

Not really.

When there is absolutely no effort to even conceal the following facts being true simultaneously, why shouldn't white people and men view this movement as a fascist threat to their existence or freedoms/equality?

1. There are numerous high profile people in our movement who hate white people and men, but their hatred is of no consequence because they "have no power.", and so we will do absolutely nothing about their presence in our ranks nor the positions they hold within them.

You are acting as if everyone on the left side of the spectrum has agreed to passively accept anything anyone on their side ever does or says. While it may not look like it to you, there is a fair amount of controversy within the left as a whole between the various movements and their figures.

The problem is that you are essentially asking an entire side of the political spectrum to somehow purge itself, to somehow remove those among them who you find distasteful. How would you propose they do that? How do you purge an ideology of individual people who identify with it?

2. These people are seeking power and we are trying to get it to them.

Says who? I happen to be exposed to a wide variety of left-wing movements, and while solidarity between some of them is a thing, that does not mean that, say, Tankies are actively and knowingly trying to give power to Cathy Brennan. Or that anarcho-feminists actively supported Hillary Clinton and her liberal feminism. Or that democratic socialists want to empower that one dude on Twitter who supported white genocide-

When you couple that with these kind of indoctrination courses, the violent suppression of dissent such as the MRM and such, what's the difference at this point.
No seriously.

without using special pleading.
How are these people not basically nazi wannabes?

Simple: They do not suscribe to Nazism.

"Jim constantly threatening to murder you and your family with a gun isn't a problem because he doesn't have a gun. And you're a bad person for not letting him have a gun."

Whoever said that is a horrible person, yes.

[Liriena]

I have a lot to criticize about La Nación, my country's leading conservative newspaper, starting with their history of supporting our military dictatorships, their comments section being a cesspool, and their online world news section being so neglected that they might as well stop pretending and outsource the lot of it to Reuters... But if there's one good thing I can say about them, it's that they avoid clickbait and any manner of distortions in their headlines like it's ebola.

Honestly, if you look at most major papers or news organizations anywhere with a controversial past, there's always something they've done that is objectionable. The Beeb, for instance, had a history in the 1960s of bashing gays and basically laughing off rape stories.

And any comments section is a cesspool on the unmoderated internet. C'est la vie. Hell, Cracked, despite theoretically being a comedy website, has a humdinger full of cancer under every article.

Aye.

The Buenos Aires Herald is cool, though. :3

[Chessmistress]

While anti-fascists have a tendency to act pretty awfully, we should at least wait for something like "re-education camps" before we draw complete parallels with Nazism. Parallels with fascism in general, though, are apt.

This reminds me of a Roll Safe meme I saw.

Is this good enough?

http://www.thecollegefix.com/post/31130/

Compare their imaginary bullshit description of university, with actual shit happening on universities:
http://www.thecollegefix.com/post/24980/

Let's see

They’re charged with creating a mock sexual assault awareness campaign and taught U.S. society pushes male “domination” over women. Another assignment has them coming up with ways to make a university more welcoming to a low-income black lesbian majoring in engineering. New vocabulary words thrown at students include “internalized classism” and “cultural imperialism.” And a “Man Box” assignment teaches students that when men try to prove their masculinity it ends up “with frequently disastrous consequences.”

It's good, but perhaps not good enough, since sexual assault in campuses is still a major problem.

Just my two cents.

[Gauthier]

Looks like the Dirty SJWs at Breitbart have struck again.

Yiannopoulos 'quits Breitbart News'

[Chessmistress]

Looks like the Dirty SJWs at Breitbart have struck again.

Yiannopoulos 'quits Breitbart News'

Sic transit gloria mundi

Yeah, I know that I'm a venomous bitch, but that's too funny for not making some irony...

[Wallenburg]

Looks like the Dirty SJWs at Breitbart have struck again.

Yiannopoulos 'quits Breitbart News'

Wow. I did not expect that. What is Breitbart going to do without its token gay person?

[Juristonia]

You are acting as if everyone on the left side of the spectrum has agreed to passively accept anything anyone on their side ever does or says. While it may not look like it to you, there is a fair amount of controversy within the left as a whole between the various movements and their figures.

Hell, if there's one thing wrong with "the left" in general, it's our never ending ability to fight amongst ourselves over damn near everything.

[Vassenor]

Honestly I am getting sick of how these threads always devolve into OMG THIS PROVES [INSERT LIBERAL IDEOLOGY HERE] IS EVIL.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

Looks like the Dirty SJWs at Breitbart have struck again.

Yiannopoulos 'quits Breitbart News'

It was going to happen. His career as a conservative "provocateur" as he called himself went one subject too far.

Looks like the Dirty SJWs at Breitbart have struck again.

Yiannopoulos 'quits Breitbart News'

Sic transit gloria mundi

Yeah, I know that I'm a venomous bitch, but that's too funny for not making some irony...

Eh, it's a bit of an irony, really, if you follow the story's origins.

He basically defended his having sex at 13-14 years of age with adult gay men as "well okay, I did have sex with them, but I chose to, I liked it, and I am pretty sure other 13 and 14 year olds who are in these situations, at least some, have the mental maturity to consent to sex with an adult". Some say he was sexually abused, but then he deflects that by going "well yea but who do you think is the predator in this case? I'd say the young person is" so that just kind of makes it worse.

Yeeeeeeah that doesn't go well in American media. Particularly conservative groups where the whole "if you have sex with people under 18 you're a fucking sick person" view is strong. Like I said a page or so ago, over here within conservative groups talking about sex with minors is verboten. You don't talk about it and you don't show a bit of softening to it.

[G-Tech Corporation]

Honestly I am getting sick of how these threads always devolve into OMG THIS PROVES [INSERT LIBERAL IDEOLOGY HERE] IS EVIL.

But the proof. The pudding. The insidious delicious pudding.