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by The Portland Territory » Thu Feb 02, 2017 7:22 am
by Uiiop » Thu Feb 02, 2017 7:24 am
Jamzmania wrote:Minoa wrote:Hate Speech ≠ Free Speech
Inciting racial hatred, sexism or homophobia, is in my opinion, not what the concept of free speech was intended to cover.
I thought that the whole concept of free speech was protecting artistic creativity and the right to press for positive social change and so on, without fear of repression.
But racial hatred, sexism and homophobia? Seriously?
Yes, seriously.
by Impireacht » Thu Feb 02, 2017 7:24 am
Liriena wrote:San Marlindo wrote:
Hitting somebody you disagree with is illegal in the United States, I think.
Yes... although I would point out that the disagreement in question is whether non-white Americans deserve to live. Not exactly something that should be normalized as just another valid political opinion.
by Liriena » Thu Feb 02, 2017 7:32 am
Jamzmania wrote:Liriena wrote:I am not opposed to a violent response in some specific circumstances. While the liberal idea that the foremost solution to political disagreements is to have a debate and see whose ideas truly are the most rational has its value, and does ring true in most cases, it holds no water when the person on the other side is not interested in an honest exchange of rational ideas. Such is the case with Yiannopoulos and others, whose primary objective is to provoke, to purposefully cause as negative a reaction as possible for personal gain. When that's what you are dealing with, and when the other side's methods include harassment and abuse, I feel it's best not to normalize them with a misguided attempt at defeating them with dialogue, but to use direct action instead.
And yes, fighting words will not prevent an arrest and lawsuit, but the fact remains that they are not protected by the First Amendment, and do not constitute expressions that belong in a peaceful dialogue.
You don't debate in order to convince your opponent, you debate in order to convince the audience. You need only show the world how idiotic their ideas are in order to neutralize them as a threat.
Jamzmania wrote:However, if you feel that a person is so dangerous that violence is the only possible response, then go big or go home. A sucker punch won't stop this clearly deranged, dangerous individual. Guns, knives, blunt objects - use whatever tools are at your disposal to make sure they can't ever spread their ideas again. Are you prepared to do what is necessary?
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by The United Dark Republic » Thu Feb 02, 2017 7:35 am
Dragonisia wrote:And Dauntless did say, "We shall make this one burn with the light of a thousand suns!" And so it was written, and so it was.
by Liriena » Thu Feb 02, 2017 7:35 am
Impireacht wrote:Liriena wrote:Yes... although I would point out that the disagreement in question is whether non-white Americans deserve to live. Not exactly something that should be normalized as just another valid political opinion.
Well... the speech I just read didn't say anything about killing all non-whites. Insane supremacist he may be... but don't try to turn shit into something it isn't.
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by Impireacht » Thu Feb 02, 2017 7:37 am
Liriena wrote:Impireacht wrote:Well... the speech I just read didn't say anything about killing all non-whites. Insane supremacist he may be... but don't try to turn shit into something it isn't.
I was referring to Richard Spencer. He supports ethnic cleansing. Ergo, no tears were shed when he got punched.
by Jamzmania » Thu Feb 02, 2017 7:37 am
Liriena wrote:Impireacht wrote:Well... the speech I just read didn't say anything about killing all non-whites. Insane supremacist he may be... but don't try to turn shit into something it isn't.
I was referring to Richard Spencer. He supports ethnic cleansing. Ergo, no tears were shed when he got punched.
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No matter what their size.
Call upon me,
And I will equalize."
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by Liriena » Thu Feb 02, 2017 7:40 am
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by Merattic » Thu Feb 02, 2017 7:44 am
by Risottia » Thu Feb 02, 2017 7:46 am
Kaiserholt wrote:Whatever one's opinion of Milo is, does that opinion really validate the decision to shut down free speech?
by Alvecia » Thu Feb 02, 2017 7:46 am
Merattic wrote:Hate Speech IS Free Speech. You cannot claim to support free speech if you think "hate speech" shouldn't be allowed. Unless he is openly threatening someone or inciting violence he has every right to say what he wants.
by CoraSpia » Thu Feb 02, 2017 7:47 am
by Seangoli » Thu Feb 02, 2017 7:47 am
Risottia wrote:Kaiserholt wrote:Whatever one's opinion of Milo is, does that opinion really validate the decision to shut down free speech?
"Free speech" means the GOVERNMENT can't shut you up just because (it needs a serious reason).
It doesn't mean that OTHER PEOPLE can't exercise their own free speech and their freedom of assembly to shut you up.
So no, free speech wasn't shut down.
by Liriena » Thu Feb 02, 2017 7:48 am
Merattic wrote:Hate Speech IS Free Speech. You cannot claim to support free speech if you think "hate speech" shouldn't be allowed. Unless he is openly threatening someone or inciting violence he has every right to say what he wants.
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by Liriena » Thu Feb 02, 2017 7:49 am
I am: A pansexual, pantheist, green socialist An aspiring writer and journalist | Political compass stuff: Economic Left/Right: -8.13 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -8.92 For: Grassroots democracy, workers' self-management, humanitarianism, pacifism, pluralism, environmentalism, interculturalism, indigenous rights, minority rights, LGBT+ rights, feminism, optimism Against: Nationalism, authoritarianism, fascism, conservatism, populism, violence, ethnocentrism, racism, sexism, religious bigotry, anti-LGBT+ bigotry, death penalty, neoliberalism, tribalism, cynicism ⚧Copy and paste this in your sig if you passed biology and know gender and sex aren't the same thing.⚧ |
by Seangoli » Thu Feb 02, 2017 7:50 am
Liriena wrote:Merattic wrote:Hate Speech IS Free Speech. You cannot claim to support free speech if you think "hate speech" shouldn't be allowed. Unless he is openly threatening someone or inciting violence he has every right to say what he wants.
Plot twist: He's actually singled out individual people for harassment during his speeches, and encouraged his followers to harass trans people.
Now, why shouldn't there be consequences for that?
by The Serbian Empire » Thu Feb 02, 2017 7:51 am
Uiiop wrote:
Wrong *Sniff*
http://nymag.com/thecut/2016/12/milo-yi ... aukee.html
"I will close with this advice. Never feel bad for mocking a transgender person. It is our job to point out their absurdity, to not make the problem worse by pretending they are normal. Much like fat-shaming, if our mockery drives them to get the help they need, we may save their life. "
by Liriena » Thu Feb 02, 2017 7:54 am
The Serbian Empire wrote:Uiiop wrote:Wrong *Sniff*
http://nymag.com/thecut/2016/12/milo-yi ... aukee.html
"I will close with this advice. Never feel bad for mocking a transgender person. It is our job to point out their absurdity, to not make the problem worse by pretending they are normal. Much like fat-shaming, if our mockery drives them to get the help they need, we may save their life. "
Fat shaming is a whole different animal than mocking transgender people. Obesity if left in status quo will result in a premature death. Transitioning is often a last ditch effort to prevent suicide, and mocking is the worst possible non-violent thing one could do to them.
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by Impireacht » Thu Feb 02, 2017 7:55 am
Liriena wrote:Merattic wrote:Hate Speech IS Free Speech. You cannot claim to support free speech if you think "hate speech" shouldn't be allowed. Unless he is openly threatening someone or inciting violence he has every right to say what he wants.
Plot twist: He's actually singled out individual people for harassment during his speeches, and encouraged his followers to harass trans people.
Now, why shouldn't there be consequences for that?
by Alvecia » Thu Feb 02, 2017 7:57 am
Impireacht wrote:Liriena wrote:Plot twist: He's actually singled out individual people for harassment during his speeches, and encouraged his followers to harass trans people.
Now, why shouldn't there be consequences for that?
Because vocal harassment =/= punching people and burning things.
by Liriena » Thu Feb 02, 2017 7:58 am
Impireacht wrote:Liriena wrote:Plot twist: He's actually singled out individual people for harassment during his speeches, and encouraged his followers to harass trans people.
Now, why shouldn't there be consequences for that?
Because vocal harassment =/= punching people and burning things.
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by Impireacht » Thu Feb 02, 2017 8:00 am
by Hirota » Thu Feb 02, 2017 8:01 am
The key point I'm making here is that we can use whatever justifications we want to make sweeping assertions about demographics of peoples, but the problem isn't the statistics themselves, but how they are abused to make those sweeping assertions and justify snarling.
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