The Berkeley Incident and Free Speech

[Conserative Morality]

Sigh, it's like you deliberately misconstrue the point. Said professor has set himself in opposition to Milo Y and whatever you and him think Milo stands for. Thus, obvious conflict of interest exists, said professor is clearly not an objective party which is necessary for journalistic integrity to be believed, thus his "reliable sources" cannot be taken at face value.

Ffs it's not that hard.

Right. Mind giving me an example of an objective party that's ever existed in the context of journalistic whistleblowing?

Go on. I'll wait.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

I don't know if this somewhat non sequitur post contributes much to the conversation (sorry if it doesn't!), but I go to Cal and most of us didn't really care about the incident one way or another until Trump threatened to cut our funding.

I don't like Milo at all but I had no problems with letting him speak, and the same pretty much held more or less true in my friend and acquaintance group. I was considering getting tickets, even, but I was busy that night with a club event (that ironically got cancelled.)

All I'm saying is seeing how the university itself did all it could to allow the event to go on, and most students don't seem to share the views of the ninja men (who might not even necessarily be part of the student body, though I can't say for certainty that they weren't either), and that the protest more or less went on peacefully until that point (I walked by and it was all fine) I'd ask people refrain from trying to characterize Berkeley students as insane or whatever. I literally just want my degree lmao.

We can't determine that, and from what I've been told from UC Berkeley, what's campus is a bit negotiable from what is non-campus from what I understand. So there's going to be a lot of confusion over who were and who weren't people at the protests since it is an open campus.

[Liriena]

Chelsea Manning led a far right stunt to encourage harassment against private individuals?

You do realize that Manning almost got people killed by releasing their information right?

In entirely different circumstances, with entirely different intentions, and not in the same fashion. It's a rather clear false equivalency.

[Conserative Morality]

In entirely different circumstances, with entirely different intentions, and not in the same fashion. It's a rather clear false equivalency.

Manning put a lot of people in danger through carelessness and negligence. Milo does it out of malice, or 'for the lulz', since that's the height of the intellectual discourse of him and his groupies.

[Tarsonis Survivors]

So,... professor calls his tweet satire, it's believable.

Yeah, because white genocide is a WN meme that's been floating around for a long time.

Milo claims allegations against him false, he's a fucking liar. Your cognitive bias is clear.

Is that so? I'm sure you'll be able to source where I said that, rather than making the distinction between rumor and complete fabrication, or arguing that trustworthiness as a matter of principle certainly should affect whether you should listen to an individual proclaiming innocence or someone observing the individual.

I'll be waiting.

That's been you're entire argument. That Drexel professor is reliable while Milo is not, by your consideration. Not only is your cognitive bias evident, but you even admitted to it.

[Donut section]

Considering the talk was between consenting adults the rioters were extremely in the wrong and had no justification for attempting to interfere.

[Daeseong]

We can't determine that, and from what I've been told from UC Berkeley, what's campus is a bit negotiable from what is non-campus from what I understand. So there's going to be a lot of confusion over who were and who weren't people at the protests since it is an open campus.

Yeah. Basically homeless people and crazy strangers come onto campus all the time. I think there's a decent chance many attendees weren't even Cal students. Berkeley is a p. liberal city in general and it's easy to get to with the BART from p. much the entire Bay Area.

Don't you know that all college kids are liberal snowflakes who will stop at nothing to destroy this good, Christian nation and not a bunch of people trying to better themselves through education and hopefully find a job that doesn't suck?

You should be ashamed of yourself.

Damn you caught me. My cover has been blown! Time to plot to destroy America in another way

[Conserative Morality]

That's been you're entire argument. That Drexel professor is reliable while Milo is not, by your consideration.

Believing that a professor did not mean 'white genocide' to mean 'kill all the whites' apparently = believing his anon source

An anonymous source from the opposing side isn't trustworthy.

I don't necessarily disagree. But as I said, there's still a difference between a rumor and a complete fabrication prior to being proven one way or the other.

I'm glad your region upholds such wonderful standards of reading comprehension in its school systems.

[Republic of the Roman Nations]

Asked

Does whistleblowing encompass revealing the personal information of private individuals whose personal information is not a matter of public interest, as part of a far right stunt to encourage harassment against those private individuals?

And I compared it to an actual whistleblower who revealed private information that could have cost people their lives.

[Tarsonis Survivors]

In entirely different circumstances, with entirely different intentions, and not in the same fashion. It's a rather clear false equivalency.

Manning put a lot of people in danger through carelessness and negligence. Milo does it out of malice, or 'for the lulz', since that's the height of the intellectual discourse of him and his groupies.

And what about these people? I'd also like a source that shows milo is directly involved in doxing his opponents.

http://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/ ... -attack-o/

[Soldati Senza Confini]

We can't determine that, and from what I've been told from UC Berkeley, what's campus is a bit negotiable from what is non-campus from what I understand. So there's going to be a lot of confusion over who were and who weren't people at the protests since it is an open campus.

Yeah. Basically homeless people and crazy strangers come onto campus all the time. I think there's a decent chance many attendees weren't even Cal students. Berkeley is a p. liberal city in general and it's easy to get to with the BART from p. much the entire Bay Area.

I've visited Oakland twice and have a sweetheart down there, so believe me, when she tells me something about an incident in the Bay Area, I listen lol. Love the BART though, very convenient rail system.

She was theorizing a few days ago that people from Oakland probably went down there to stir shit too, so it matches what you say about the people who were stirring shit probably not being from UC Berkeley.

[Tarsonis Survivors]

That's been you're entire argument. That Drexel professor is reliable while Milo is not, by your consideration.

Believing that a professor did not mean 'white genocide' to mean 'kill all the whites' apparently = believing his anon source

You've made it clear that you believe Milo was going to doxx several people and that his denial is false, citing unfounded evidence with from a professor with a clear agenda as a reputable source.

I don't necessarily disagree. But as I said, there's still a difference between a rumor and a complete fabrication prior to being proven one way or the other.

I'm glad your region upholds such wonderful standards of reading comprehension in its school systems.

And yet anyone applying any sort of intellectual honesty, would remind you that, while different from a complete fabrication, rumors without supporting evidence have no greater value. And unsubstantiated rumor, is exactly that unsubstantiated. Without any evidence to support said rumor, it cannot be taken with any sort of credibility, and the denial of such rumor, again without any contradicting evidence, remains the default and credible position.

[Paleocacher]

I know two student members of the Berkeley College Republicans. One of them helped people onto the ambulances and gave first aid to assaulted students when he himself was attacked.
The fact that only one arrest was made is unbelievable.

[Conserative Morality]

And what about these people?

http://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/ ... -attack-o/

What about them? They're shitheads.

I'd also like a source that shows milo is directly involved in doxing his opponents.

If I dig one up, will you dismiss it as not racist enough to be objective, or weasel-word 'directly'?

[Daeseong]

I know two student members of the Berkeley College Republicans. One of them helped people onto the ambulances and gave first aid to assaulted students when he himself was attacked.
The fact that only one arrest was made is unbelievable.

The UC police is pretty much on edge about being labelled as brutal. So I think that's why they didn't do much. That being said, I think your friends are misrepresenting how crazy it was.

Yeah. Basically homeless people and crazy strangers come onto campus all the time. I think there's a decent chance many attendees weren't even Cal students. Berkeley is a p. liberal city in general and it's easy to get to with the BART from p. much the entire Bay Area.

I've visited Oakland twice and have a sweetheart down there, so believe me, when she tells me something about an incident in the Bay Area, I listen lol. Love the BART though, very convenient rail system.

She was theorizing a few days ago that people from Oakland probably went down there to stir shit too, so it matches what you say about the people who were stirring shit probably not being from UC Berkeley.

Yeah. I'm sure some Berkeley Students may have been involved, but given just how many people have access to Berkeley, I think it's unrealistic to assume that all the terrorists? were Cal students.

[Tarsonis Survivors]

And what about these people?

http://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/ ... -attack-o/

What about them? They're shitheads.

I'd also like a source that shows milo is directly involved in doxing his opponents.

If I dig one up, will you dismiss it as not racist enough to be objective, or weasel-word 'directly'?

There's no "weasel wording" directly. Either he was directly involved either by action or command, or he wasn't. Show me reputible source that proves he released the information or commanded others to do so.

[Republic of the Roman Nations]

[Paleocacher]

I know two student members of the Berkeley College Republicans. One of them helped people onto the ambulances and gave first aid to assaulted students when he himself was attacked.
The fact that only one arrest was made is unbelievable.

The UC police is pretty much on edge about being labelled as brutal. So I think that's why they didn't do much. That being said, I think your friends are misrepresenting how crazy it was.

I've visited Oakland twice and have a sweetheart down there, so believe me, when she tells me something about an incident in the Bay Area, I listen lol. Love the BART though, very convenient rail system.

She was theorizing a few days ago that people from Oakland probably went down there to stir shit too, so it matches what you say about the people who were stirring shit probably not being from UC Berkeley.

Yeah. I'm sure some Berkeley Students may have been involved, but given just how many people have access to Berkeley, I think it's unrealistic to assume that all the terrorists? were Cal students.

Maybe they were exaggerating, but I consider it much more likely that they were telling the truth. Particularly because they are on the "right" side of the group.

[Conserative Morality]

There's no "weasel wording" directly. Either he was directly involved either by action or command, or he wasn't. Show me reputible source that proves he released the information or commanded others to do so.

Have fun.

[Republic of the Roman Nations]

There's no "weasel wording" directly. Either he was directly involved either by action or command, or he wasn't. Show me reputible source that proves he released the information or commanded others to do so.

Have fun.

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[Tarsonis Survivors]

There's no "weasel wording" directly. Either he was directly involved either by action or command, or he wasn't. Show me reputible source that proves he released the information or commanded others to do so.

Have fun.

So 1. Very well, I concede that Milo has been directly involved in doxing a person.

2. However, in this case Milo doxxed a quote on quote "troll" who had harassed him, not a political opponent,

So while, yes you got me I left the request ambiguous enough for this to fit, it doesn't fit into the to the conversation. You haven't shown me where Milo uses doxing to silence his political opponents because "that's the highest level of discourse he understands," you've shown me where he's dozed an abusive troll, and turned the tables on them. Which we can bicker over the ethics of that, but it's not the same thing as what we were discussing.

[Conserative Morality]

So 1. Very well, I concede that Milo has been directly involved in doxing a person.

2. However, in this case Milo doxxed a quote on quote "troll" who had harassed him, not a political opponent,

You mean like the people he harassed all the time on Twitter? ffs he's a special little snowflake and a hypocrite.

So while, yes you got me I left the request ambiguous enough for this to fit, it doesn't fit into the to the conversation. You haven't shown me where Milo uses doxing to silence his political opponents because "that's the highest level of discourse he understands," you've shown me where he's dozed an abusive troll, and turned the tables on them. Which we can bicker over the ethics of that, but it's not the same thing as what we were discussing.

I said, and I quote

In entirely different circumstances, with entirely different intentions, and not in the same fashion. It's a rather clear false equivalency.

Manning put a lot of people in danger through carelessness and negligence. Milo does it out of malice, or 'for the lulz', since that's the height of the intellectual discourse of him and his groupies.

Nowhere did I specify political motivation, and to be frank, I shouldn't have to. Doxxing is a shithead move done by juvenile, dickless cowards.

[Tarsonis Survivors]

So 1. Very well, I concede that Milo has been directly involved in doxing a person.

2. However, in this case Milo doxxed a quote on quote "troll" who had harassed him, not a political opponent,

You mean like the people he harassed all the time on Twitter? ffs he's a special little snowflake and a hypocrite.

I won't pretend that he's anything else. He's a narcissistic drama queen that people on the center and right tolerate and enjoy because of how he rubs the progressive left the wrong way. However,

So while, yes you got me I left the request ambiguous enough for this to fit, it doesn't fit into the to the conversation. You haven't shown me where Milo uses doxing to silence his political opponents because "that's the highest level of discourse he understands," you've shown me where he's dozed an abusive troll, and turned the tables on them. Which we can bicker over the ethics of that, but it's not the same thing as what we were discussing.

I said, and I quote

Manning put a lot of people in danger through carelessness and negligence. Milo does it out of malice, or 'for the lulz', since that's the height of the intellectual discourse of him and his groupies.

Nowhere did I specify political motivation, and to be frank, I shouldn't have to. Doxxing is a shithead move done by juvenile, dickless cowards.

Yes you did. By calling his doxing "the height of intellectual discourse" you insinuates that he views Doxing as a valid form of discourse, that it's acceptable to dox someone you disagree with instead of engaging with them in debate, reasoned or otherwise. The evidence you provided however, does not support this assertion. He used doxing as a form of persona vengeance to some one who was engaging in abusive antics towards him, mocking him for being a DV victim. Cowardly? Petty? Hypocritical? Sure, I won't contest that. But intellectual discourse? I doubt even he would call it that.

[Conserative Morality]

Yes you did. By calling his doxing "the height of intellectual discourse" you insinuates that he views Doxing as a valid form of discourse, that it's acceptable to dox someone you disagree with instead of engaging with them in debate, reasoned or otherwise.

That's really reaching.

[Marydale]

I support Milo getting no-platforms for that (((lying))) bastard he is.