The Berkeley Incident and Free Speech

[Tarsonis Survivors]

I have reliable sources that the Drexel University Professor made it up for political gain. I of course won't show you these sources because I want to protect them, but I assure you they are in every way real and reliable .

If I had to choose, right now, who to believe, a respected academic not hiding his own identity or some anon on the internet, I'd go with the academic.

This "respected academic" who openly calls for white genocide? Interesting.

[Patridam]

Actually it's not. Illegal entry is a misdemeanor crime under the US Legal Code. Unlawful presence is however admittedly a civil violation.

You just undermined your first sentence with the third, but alright. I'll take the admission, which puts your claim that Yiannopoulos' alleged plans for doxxing would have constituted "whistleblowing" in a tough spot, since the claim would necessarily be based on the assumption that any undocumented student he would have targeted would have been guilty of illegal entry, on top of unlawful presence.

Whistleblowing encompasses reporting immoral actions as well as unlawful ones.

But if we're assuming here that Milo has been magically able to get a list of unlawful aliens at Berkeley, why wouldn't he also have the magical information separating illegal entrants (the majority) from those who have overstayed legal visas?

[Conserative Morality]

Yet you believe some professor, (who have demonstrated time and time again to not be a class of people above reproach) in Philly somehow found out what Milo was going to do in Berkley, but provided zero evidence of such to protect their "anonymous source". This professor whom, by the way, openly calls for white genocide, but oh yeah they're fucking objective.

Aw, did he proclaim his support for... miscegenation?

Remember, diversity is a codeword for anti-white!

[Tarsonis Survivors]

whistleblowing isn't limited to criminal activity.

I personally like to reserve the term for people who, in good faith, reveal the secrets of the powerful in the name of transparency.

Doxxing private individuals in an attempt to have them harassed by your dickhead followers as part of a far right stunt against trans people or immigrants is not whistleblowing.

Ah so it's not about alerting people to unethical, wrong, or illegal behavior,... it's only about the power... applicablilty over principle.

[Conserative Morality]

This "respected academic" who openly calls for white genocide? Interesting.

I call for white genocide too. It's because white genocide is a buzzword used by racists to decry people living in society and not being white. Being provocative is fine if you're Milo, but not if you're a LIEBRUHL professor, eh?

[Soldati Senza Confini]

whistleblowing isn't limited to criminal activity.

I personally like to reserve the term for people who, in good faith, reveal the secrets of the powerful in the name of transparency.

Doxxing private individuals in an attempt to have them harassed by your dickhead followers as part of a far right stunt against trans people or immigrants is not whistleblowing.

Well, you're going to have harassment either way, in fact, you would have had it long ago since plenty of illegal immigrants have come out and told their stories at campuses. So if there would have been any far-right backlashes and harassment at Berkeley, you would have heard of it by now.

[Liriena]

You just undermined your first sentence with the third, but alright. I'll take the admission, which puts your claim that Yiannopoulos' alleged plans for doxxing would have constituted "whistleblowing" in a tough spot, since the claim would necessarily be based on the assumption that any undocumented student he would have targeted would have been guilty of illegal entry, on top of unlawful presence.

Whistleblowing encompasses reporting immoral actions as well as unlawful ones.

But if we're assuming here that Milo has been magically able to get a list of unlawful aliens at Berkeley, why wouldn't he also have the magical information separating illegal entrants (the majority) from those who have overstayed legal visas?

Does whistleblowing encompass revealing the personal information of private individuals whose personal information is not a matter of public interest, as part of a far right stunt to encourage harassment against those private individuals?

[Tarsonis Survivors]

Yet you believe some professor, (who have demonstrated time and time again to not be a class of people above reproach) in Philly somehow found out what Milo was going to do in Berkley, but provided zero evidence of such to protect their "anonymous source". This professor whom, by the way, openly calls for white genocide, but oh yeah they're fucking objective.

Aw, did he proclaim his support for... miscegenation?

Remember, diversity is a codeword for anti-white!

Nope he actually said it.

[Patridam]

Even if Milo was to doxx them, there wouldn't be shit anyone could do against them since ICE and USCIS still respect DACA, which is in place until it either phases out, or Trump revokes it before it does. So the rumor was basically dogwhistling from the people who started the rumor.

Well if Trump made an executive order to defund sanctuary cities (a quite popular one at that) maybe he ought to do the same with repealing DACA.... and for that matter, defending Berkeley and any other school without a dedication to safety and freedom of speech.

[Republic of the Roman Nations]

Whistleblowing encompasses reporting immoral actions as well as unlawful ones.

But if we're assuming here that Milo has been magically able to get a list of unlawful aliens at Berkeley, why wouldn't he also have the magical information separating illegal entrants (the majority) from those who have overstayed legal visas?

Does whistleblowing encompass revealing the personal information of private individuals whose personal information is not a matter of public interest, as part of a far right stunt to encourage harassment against those private individuals?

Yes, ask Manning.

[Conserative Morality]

Well, you're going to have harassment either way, in fact, you would have had it long ago since plenty of illegal immigrants have come out and told their stories at campuses. So if there would have been any far-right backlashes and harassment at Berkeley, you would have heard of it by now.

There's a strong difference of context. Milo and his alt-right sympathizers aren't exactly the kind of people Berkeley is known for having on campus. It's like how after the Leave vote people started harassing immigrants, or how after Trump took office people began harassing women and minorities again. Changes in details of environment is an important context of action or prediction of action.

Does whistleblowing encompass revealing the personal information of private individuals whose personal information is not a matter of public interest, as part of a far right stunt to encourage harassment against those private individuals?

Yes because it's just a joke bro lol

[Liriena]

I personally like to reserve the term for people who, in good faith, reveal the secrets of the powerful in the name of transparency.

Doxxing private individuals in an attempt to have them harassed by your dickhead followers as part of a far right stunt against trans people or immigrants is not whistleblowing.

Ah so it's not about alerting people to unethical, wrong, or illegal behavior,... it's only about the power... applicablilty over principle.

Not only about the power, no.

[Conserative Morality]

Nope he actually said it.
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Brought to you by Christian Miller of the "White Genocide Evidence Project":

“”Many realize the 'open borders' movement is a thinly-veiled attempt to dilute and thereby destroy all white nations — Africa for the Africans, Asia for the Asians, White countries for everybody ... White people are libeled and demonized by cultural Marxists in academia, vilified by public slander and robbed of the right to self-identify all in order to instill a destructive sense of false white guilt... These malevolent social engineers yearn for a blended humanity in white nations — mocha-skinned people and societies without race by homogenous default. What they never mention — and what is left to nationalists to publicly emphasize — is that this plan for 'diversity' only applies to white nations.[10]
"White Genocide Project" declares that "White Genocide", in addition to Christian Miller's comment, is:

“” Legally chasing down and forcing White areas to accept diversity. [11]

I find it difficult to believe that you've been online for any appreciable amount of time and haven't heard this shit WN meme.

[Liriena]

Does whistleblowing encompass revealing the personal information of private individuals whose personal information is not a matter of public interest, as part of a far right stunt to encourage harassment against those private individuals?

Yes, ask Manning.

Chelsea Manning led a far right stunt to encourage harassment against private individuals?

[Tarsonis Survivors]

This "respected academic" who openly calls for white genocide? Interesting.

I call for white genocide too. It's because white genocide is a buzzword used by racists to decry people living in society and not being white. Being provocative is fine if you're Milo, but not if you're a LIEBRUHL professor, eh?

Lol, you're perfectly willing to assert the opposite. It's fine if you're the professor, but not if you're a liberal. Except the point where your argument goes off the rails is, I never asserted as such. Rather, I used his tweet to call into question his objectivity, he has none.

[Patridam]

Nice job shooting yourselves in the foot, antifar.

[Republic of the Roman Nations]

Yes, ask Manning.

Chelsea Manning led a far right stunt to encourage harassment against private individuals?

You do realize that Manning almost got people killed by releasing their information right?

[Tarsonis Survivors]

Nope he actually said it.
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Brought to you by Christian Miller of the "White Genocide Evidence Project":

“”Many realize the 'open borders' movement is a thinly-veiled attempt to dilute and thereby destroy all white nations — Africa for the Africans, Asia for the Asians, White countries for everybody ... White people are libeled and demonized by cultural Marxists in academia, vilified by public slander and robbed of the right to self-identify all in order to instill a destructive sense of false white guilt... These malevolent social engineers yearn for a blended humanity in white nations — mocha-skinned people and societies without race by homogenous default. What they never mention — and what is left to nationalists to publicly emphasize — is that this plan for 'diversity' only applies to white nations.[10]
"White Genocide Project" declares that "White Genocide", in addition to Christian Miller's comment, is:

“” Legally chasing down and forcing White areas to accept diversity. [11]

I find it difficult to believe that you've been online for any appreciable amount of time and haven't heard this shit WN meme.

So,... professor calls his tweet satire, it's believable. Milo claims allegations against him false, he's a fucking liar. Your cognitive bias is clear.

[Daeseong]

I don't know if this somewhat non sequitur post contributes much to the conversation (sorry if it doesn't!), but I go to Cal and most of us didn't really care about the incident one way or another until Trump threatened to cut our funding.

I don't like Milo at all but I had no problems with letting him speak, and the same pretty much held more or less true in my friend and acquaintance group. I was considering getting tickets, even, but I was busy that night with a club event (that ironically got cancelled.)

All I'm saying is seeing how the university itself did all it could to allow the event to go on, and most students don't seem to share the views of the ninja men (who might not even necessarily be part of the student body, though I can't say for certainty that they weren't either), and that the protest more or less went on peacefully until that point (I walked by and it was all fine) I'd ask people refrain from trying to characterize Berkeley students as insane or whatever. I literally just want my degree lmao.

[Conserative Morality]

Lol, you're perfectly willing to assert the opposite. It's fine if you're the professor, but not if you're a liberal. Except the point where your argument goes off the rails is, I never asserted as such.

I don't object to Milo because he's provocative. He's just obnoxious because of that. I object to Milo because he's a Grade A twat and alt-right enabler.

Rather, I used his tweet to call into question his objectivity, he has none.

How dare a professor oppose white nationalist memes. Fucking biased liberal professors nowadays, believing that all men are created equal or some shit.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

Even if Milo was to doxx them, there wouldn't be shit anyone could do against them since ICE and USCIS still respect DACA, which is in place until it either phases out, or Trump revokes it before it does. So the rumor was basically dogwhistling from the people who started the rumor.

Well if Trump made an executive order to defund sanctuary cities (a quite popular one at that) maybe he ought to do the same with repealing DACA.... and for that matter, defending Berkeley and any other school without a dedication to safety and freedom of speech.

All I know is that Trump is still considering what to do with DACA recipients and their families. He wants his wall project underway before he decides the question about illegal immigrants. So I don't know how long it'll take before Trump comes up with something.

But I have been hedging my odds on he repealing it rather than not.

EDIT: I must add, this isn't about Trump, so we can move the topic to the Trump thread, if you wish.

[Conserative Morality]

So,... professor calls his tweet satire, it's believable.

Yeah, because white genocide is a WN meme that's been floating around for a long time.

Milo claims allegations against him false, he's a fucking liar. Your cognitive bias is clear.

Is that so? I'm sure you'll be able to source where I said that, rather than making the distinction between rumor and complete fabrication, or arguing that trustworthiness as a matter of principle certainly should affect whether you should listen to an individual proclaiming innocence or someone observing the individual.

I'll be waiting.

[Tarsonis Survivors]

Lol, you're perfectly willing to assert the opposite. It's fine if you're the professor, but not if you're a liberal. Except the point where your argument goes off the rails is, I never asserted as such.

I don't object to Milo because he's provocative. He's just obnoxious because of that. I object to Milo because he's a Grade A twat and alt-right enabler.

Rather, I used his tweet to call into question his objectivity, he has none.

How dare a professor oppose white nationalist memes. Fucking biased liberal professors nowadays, believing that all men are created equal or some shit.

Sigh, it's like you deliberately misconstrue the point. Said professor has set himself in opposition to Milo Y and whatever you and him think Milo stands for. Thus, obvious conflict of interest exists, said professor is clearly not an objective party which is necessary for journalistic integrity to be believed, thus his "reliable sources" cannot be taken at face value.

Ffs it's not that hard.

[Liriena]

Nice job shooting yourselves in the foot, antifar.

Tennessee supposedly is considering a stupid bill. This is nothing new.

I'm having a hard time finding alternative sources for this story, though.

[Conserative Morality]

I don't know if this somewhat non sequitur post contributes much to the conversation (sorry if it doesn't!), but I go to Cal and most of us didn't really care about the incident one way or another until Trump threatened to cut our funding.

I don't like Milo at all but I had no problems with letting him speak, and the same pretty much held more or less true in my friend and acquaintance group. I was considering getting tickets, even, but I was busy that night with a club event (that ironically got cancelled.)

All I'm saying is seeing how the university itself did all it could to allow the event to go on, and most students don't seem to share the views of the ninja men (who might not even necessarily be part of the student body, though I can't say for certainty that they weren't either), and that the protest more or less went on peacefully until that point (I walked by and it was all fine) I'd ask people refrain from trying to characterize Berkeley students as insane or whatever. I literally just want my degree lmao.

Don't you know that all college kids are liberal snowflakes who will stop at nothing to destroy this good, Christian nation and not a bunch of people trying to better themselves through education and hopefully find a job that doesn't suck?

You should be ashamed of yourself.