The Berkeley Incident and Free Speech

[Liriena]

Salon first decided to purge all the articles from their wonderful progressive journalists talking about how they would love to fuck children, before going after milo. (I suspect because Salon journalists are arrogant enough to think this would work, and are already orwellian cultural marxists, so down the memory hole it goes.)

Several news outlets remove the part of the clip of milo explicitly defending age of consent laws.

The BBC, two days prior, ran an article about how pedophiles need help not vilification.

Sarah silverman, Lena Dunham and others have also made similar comments to milo on this issue in the past.

None of these people actually have any principles, they only have enemies.

This is just the latest in a long and brutal campaign of the media desperately trying to drum up violence, economic hardship, and terror against those that fall outside their particular neoliberal-progressive identity politics overton window.

One guy making a comment like this isn't the story. It's barely even A story.

The story is that the media of the western world is an enemy to the people, and must be destroyed. The story is that they have once again decided to use their platform for their own ends, and that once again, the left wing are their useful tools for this purpose.

Well, someone's drinking a bit too much of the far right paranoid kool aid.

[Liriena]

Something needs to be done to ensure the press loses its power.

Why do you hate Western ideals?

[Ostroeuropa]

Salon first decided to purge all the articles from their wonderful progressive journalists talking about how they would love to fuck children, before going after milo. (I suspect because Salon journalists are arrogant enough to think this would work, and are already orwellian cultural marxists, so down the memory hole it goes.)

Several news outlets remove the part of the clip of milo explicitly defending age of consent laws.

The BBC, two days prior, ran an article about how pedophiles need help not vilification.

Sarah silverman, Lena Dunham and others have also made similar comments to milo on this issue in the past.

None of these people actually have any principles, they only have enemies.

This is just the latest in a long and brutal campaign of the media desperately trying to drum up violence, economic hardship, and terror against those that fall outside their particular neoliberal-progressive identity politics overton window.

One guy making a comment like this isn't the story. It's barely even A story.

The story is that the media of the western world is an enemy to the people, and must be destroyed. The story is that they have once again decided to use their platform for their own ends, and that once again, the left wing are their useful tools for this purpose.

Well, someone's drinking a bit too much of the far right paranoid kool aid.

The media isn't just an enemy of the right wing. They oppose alternative economic models too. Everyone is disserviced by our current press and their violent intimidation campaigns on ideas outside their overton window, except neoliberal-progressives, an extremely small section of society.

Something needs to be done to ensure the press loses its power.

Why do you hate Western ideals?

This is as silly as asking why social democrats hate western ideals for thinking the rich are too rich.
The press have become too powerful, and are using their power to harm society. They need to be curtailed. If they refuse, they have to be destroyed and replaced.

Berkeley is one example of it.

[Wallenburg]

In my opinion, the big difference between the Berkley disinvite and the CPAC ne is that the latter was a reasoned decision made well in advance of the speech, while the former was made in fear due to a crowd of increasingly violent rioters.

The left thinks, the right reacts.

FTFY. Still wrong, still ridiculous generalization.

[Wallenburg]

Well, someone's drinking a bit too much of the far right paranoid kool aid.

The media isn't just an enemy of the right wing. They oppose alternative economic models too. Everyone is disserviced by our current press and their violent intimidation campaigns on ideas outside their overton window, except neoliberal-progressives, an extremely small section of society.

Why do you hate Western ideals?

This is as silly as asking why social democrats hate western ideals for thinking the rich are too rich.
The press have become too powerful, and are using their power to harm society. They need to be curtailed. If they refuse, they have to be destroyed and replaced.

Berkeley is one example of it.

I hate to break this to you, but UC Berkeley is not a news organization.

[NeoLiberia]

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[Ostroeuropa]

The media isn't just an enemy of the right wing. They oppose alternative economic models too. Everyone is disserviced by our current press and their violent intimidation campaigns on ideas outside their overton window, except neoliberal-progressives, an extremely small section of society.



This is as silly as asking why social democrats hate western ideals for thinking the rich are too rich.
The press have become too powerful, and are using their power to harm society. They need to be curtailed. If they refuse, they have to be destroyed and replaced.

Berkeley is one example of it.

I hate to break this to you, but UC Berkeley is not a news organization.

The Berkeley incident is in part a result of the media campaign against ideas outside their accepted discourse. Their persistent misrepresentation of anti-feminist criticism, for instance, while also conflating this criticism as violence against women.

That action has consequences.

[Wallenburg]

I hate to break this to you, but UC Berkeley is not a news organization.

The Berkeley incident is in part a result of the media campaign against ideas outside their accepted discourse. Their persistent misrepresentation of anti-feminist criticism, for instance.

Uh huh. Sure.

[Heidi Girl of the Alps]

The adjectives racist and Nazi have replaced the terms Jew and N***** to justify violence against someone. It's a sad window into the hypocrisy of the far-left wing side of politics, and indeed the mainstream left. While I understand that the damage that occurred is grossly exaggerated, it is disgusting that violence would be used in any capacity to censor someone else's political opinions (no matter how distasteful they might be).

[Ostroeuropa]

The Berkeley incident is in part a result of the media campaign against ideas outside their accepted discourse. Their persistent misrepresentation of anti-feminist criticism, for instance.

Uh huh. Sure.

I present exhibit A:
https://www.google.co.uk/?gfe_rd=cr&ei= ... odgers+mra

Absolute bullshit peddled in an effort to cast anti-feminist criticism as violence.

see also, Gamergate.


The press never actually engages with Milo's criticism of feminism. They just say he's a misogynist and supports violence against women.
Indeed, this is the substance of all their responses to his criticism, because once again:

No principles, only enemies.

Milos crime isn't anything he's said or done to anyone except them. They hate him because he doesn't stick to the party line.

They frame this as "Their opinion" but in their position and with the collusion they engage in, it's tantamount to slander and violent intimidation in the current climate, given their also frequent endorsement of violence against political opponents of a certain type.
(A certain type it just so happens everyone who criticizes them falls into.)

This justification also doesn't do anything to dismiss the charge they are elitist gatekeepers, and around 90% should be fired and replaced with others to better reflect the population.

One result of the media misrepresenting and lying constantly about their ideological opponents and threats to their power to control the limits of acceptable discourse is violence against their targets.

They're basically trying to get Trump murdered at this point too if you bother to pay attention.

The press have always been peddlers of violence, outgrouping, and hysteria when it suits them. It's nothing new, it's just that now we're noticing it more, and something should be done about it.

Personally i'm not convinced the press as an institution deserves to survive. I suppose you could call me a press anarchist.
But i'd be happy with just crippling their ability to effect society.

[Liriena]

The right thinks, the left reacts.

Nice generalization.

The media isn't just an enemy of the right wing. They oppose alternative economic models too. Everyone is disserviced by our current press and their violent intimidation campaigns on ideas outside their overton window, except neoliberal-progressives, an extremely small section of society.

I can agree that mass media is generally centrist and not very fond of radical ideas, and fortunately we have seen alternative media rise both left and right in recent years. But to call mass media an enemy of the people is not just a step too far; it is a large leap away from healthy skepticism and critical thinking, and towards the sort of self-exculpatory demonization of critics and dissenters typical of authoritarians.

Why do you hate Western ideals?

This is as silly as asking why social democrats hate western ideals for thinking the rich are too rich.
The press have become too powerful, and are using their power to harm society. They need to be curtailed. If they refuse, they have to be destroyed and replaced.

Berkeley is one example of it.

No. The press needs to remain powerful. We can and certainly should push back against the concentration of mass media in the hands of a few private conglomerates, and we should demand a change of paradigms in some kinds of outlets (starting with cable news). But beyond the contemporary problems of mass media, we still need a powerful and free press, specially in times when institutional checks and balances fail and various Western governments are avoiding transparency and accountability like the plague.

Also, how is Berkeley an example of Western media being too powerful? Jake Tapper and Bill O'Reilly weren't the ones vandalizing stuff on campus. The CEO of Time Warner wasn't there assaulting people. Wolf Blitzer didn't make a call to arms encouraging people to form a black bloc and storm Yiannopoulos' event, and Rachel Maddow didn't hand out free masks and hoods for people who wanted to join a black bloc.

[Liriena]

I hate to break this to you, but UC Berkeley is not a news organization.

The Berkeley incident is in part a result of the media campaign against ideas outside their accepted discourse. Their persistent misrepresentation of anti-feminist criticism, for instance, while also conflating this criticism as violence against women.

That action has consequences.

Ah, yes, a "media campaign". Because it could not possibly be that Yiannopoulos ever did or say something genuinely awful that could have elicited a violent response. Clearly, the rioters were just gullible fools who blindly believed everything the neoliberal media told them.

Thanks for giving me some Kirchner flashbacks, Ostro.

[Jello Biafra]

The Berkeley incident is in part a result of the media campaign against ideas outside their accepted discourse. Their persistent misrepresentation of anti-feminist criticism, for instance, while also conflating this criticism as violence against women.

That action has consequences.

The Berkeley protest was about Milo's perceived fascist and white supremacist views, not his anti-feminist views.

[Liriena]

The Berkeley incident is in part a result of the media campaign against ideas outside their accepted discourse. Their persistent misrepresentation of anti-feminist criticism, for instance, while also conflating this criticism as violence against women.

That action has consequences.

The Berkeley protest was about Milo's perceived fascist and white supremacist views, not his anti-feminist views.

I also imagine his history of using such events to engage in doxxing might have had something to do with it.

[Ostroeuropa]

The Berkeley incident is in part a result of the media campaign against ideas outside their accepted discourse. Their persistent misrepresentation of anti-feminist criticism, for instance, while also conflating this criticism as violence against women.

That action has consequences.

The Berkeley protest was about Milo's perceived fascist and white supremacist views, not his anti-feminist views.

His perceived fascist and white supremacist views have been similarly treated.

[Liriena]

The adjectives racist and Nazi have replaced the terms Jew and N***** to justify violence against someone. It's a sad window into the hypocrisy of the far-left wing side of politics, and indeed the mainstream left. While I understand that the damage that occurred is grossly exaggerated, it is disgusting that violence would be used in any capacity to censor someone else's political opinions (no matter how distasteful they might be).

No. Also, equating anti-semitic violence with anti-fascist violence is pretty gross.

[G-Tech Corporation]

The Berkeley protest was about Milo's perceived fascist and white supremacist views, not his anti-feminist views.

I also imagine his history of using such events to engage in doxxing might have had something to do with it.

Tbf, it is unlikely that many of the protestors knew about his Doxxing ways. Chances are much better that they heard about his hate speech, and decided to engage in a little bit of violent suppression on their own initiative.

[Proctopeo]

The adjectives racist and Nazi have replaced the terms Jew and N***** to justify violence against someone. It's a sad window into the hypocrisy of the far-left wing side of politics, and indeed the mainstream left. While I understand that the damage that occurred is grossly exaggerated, it is disgusting that violence would be used in any capacity to censor someone else's political opinions (no matter how distasteful they might be).

No. Also, equating anti-semitic violence with anti-fascist violence is pretty gross.

While anti-fascists have a tendency to act pretty awfully, we should at least wait for something like "re-education camps" before we draw complete parallels with Nazism. Parallels with fascism in general, though, are apt.

This reminds me of a Roll Safe meme I saw.

[Liriena]

They're basically trying to get Trump murdered at this point too if you bother to pay attention.

The media accurately reporting his neverending series of blunders is part of a plan to get him assassinated?

Good conspiracy theory. Reminds me of when Chavez and Fernandez whined about "soft coups" and tried to gaslight entire nations.

I have been paying an awful lot of attention myself, Ostro, and I have twelve years of experience with that sort of rhetoric, so your "wake up sheeple" talk ain't gonna work on me.

[Ostroeuropa]

No. Also, equating anti-semitic violence with anti-fascist violence is pretty gross.

While anti-fascists have a tendency to act pretty awfully, we should at least wait for something like "re-education camps" before we draw complete parallels with Nazism. Parallels with fascism in general, though, are apt.

This reminds me of a Roll Safe meme I saw.

Is this good enough?

http://www.thecollegefix.com/post/31130/

Compare their imaginary bullshit description of university, with actual shit happening on universities:
http://www.thecollegefix.com/post/24980/

[Ostroeuropa]

They're basically trying to get Trump murdered at this point too if you bother to pay attention.

The media accurately reporting his neverending series of blunders is part of a plan to get him assassinated?

Good conspiracy theory. Reminds me of when Chavez and Fernandez whined about "soft coups" and tried to gaslight entire nations.

I have been paying an awful lot of attention myself, Ostro, and I have twelve years of experience with that sort of rhetoric, so your "wake up sheeple" talk ain't gonna work on me.

No, the media doing so while also talking up the idea that he is a fascist, and violence against fascists is acceptable, is an attempt to get him killed.

[Liriena]

No. Also, equating anti-semitic violence with anti-fascist violence is pretty gross.

While anti-fascists have a tendency to act pretty awfully, we should at least wait for something like "re-education camps" before we draw complete parallels with Nazism. Parallels with fascism in general, though, are apt.

This reminds me of a Roll Safe meme I saw.

Not really. It's like trying to draw a parallel between Islamic terrorism and American drone strikes. You can definitely argue that both are wrong, but not treat them as equivalent or parallel to each other.

[G-Tech Corporation]

The media accurately reporting his neverending series of blunders is part of a plan to get him assassinated?

Good conspiracy theory. Reminds me of when Chavez and Fernandez whined about "soft coups" and tried to gaslight entire nations.

I have been paying an awful lot of attention myself, Ostro, and I have twelve years of experience with that sort of rhetoric, so your "wake up sheeple" talk ain't gonna work on me.

No, the media doing so while also talking up the idea that he is a fascist, and violence against fascists is acceptable, is an attempt to get him killed.

Ehhhh that's kinda stretching the connection, really. Technically true, but false if you address it with rhetorical skepticism.

[Proctopeo]

While anti-fascists have a tendency to act pretty awfully, we should at least wait for something like "re-education camps" before we draw complete parallels with Nazism. Parallels with fascism in general, though, are apt.

This reminds me of a Roll Safe meme I saw.

Is this good enough?

http://www.thecollegefix.com/post/31130/

Not quite a re-education camp, but I do concede that it's not that far off. The larger problem is that "social justice" courses are a requirement, with the fact that (at least) one of the required ones is not just full of falsehoods, but potentially harmful falsehoods, making it even worse. Like pouring sewage on an open wound.

While anti-fascists have a tendency to act pretty awfully, we should at least wait for something like "re-education camps" before we draw complete parallels with Nazism. Parallels with fascism in general, though, are apt.

This reminds me of a Roll Safe meme I saw.

Not really. It's like trying to draw a parallel between Islamic terrorism and American drone strikes. You can definitely argue that both are wrong, but not treat them as equivalent or parallel to each other.

Eh, not quite the same thing. I concede that the comparisons aren't always perfect, though.

[Ostroeuropa]

Is this good enough?

http://www.thecollegefix.com/post/31130/

Not quite a re-education camp, but I do concede that it's not that far off. The larger problem is that "social justice" courses are a requirement, with the fact that (at least) one of the required ones is not just full of falsehoods, but potentially harmful falsehoods, making it even worse. Like pouring sewage on an open wound.

Not really. It's like trying to draw a parallel between Islamic terrorism and American drone strikes. You can definitely argue that both are wrong, but not treat them as equivalent or parallel to each other.

Eh, not quite the same thing. I concede that the comparisons aren't always perfect, though.

"Not-far-off" Nazis.
*shrug*
I'll take it.

http://www.thecollegefix.com/post/24980/

Example of the consequences on campus.
Read to compare/contrast reality with their indoctrination courses on what university is like.
The press likewise bolsters this illusionary reality these types push.