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Posted: **Wed Feb 01, 2017 5:50 pm**

First thread.
Second thread.
Third thread.

Calexit! Gorsuch! The Senate Nuclear Option! Where is Jared Kushner? And more! Imagine what the next four years have in store for us. Go ahead, I dare you.

Join in! Just what in the bejabbers is going on here, and will Trump survive unscathed, or will a pall of illegitimacy stick to his Presidency as a result?

Posted: **Wed Feb 01, 2017 5:56 pm**

Big Jim P wrote:
The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:
Actually, the US being allies with Canada is responsible.

That alliance doesn't make us responsible for Canadas internal affairs.

And so we just ignore the thing inspired the killer?

When ISIS does it, you can't wait to jump down there throats but when Trumps ideas inspire it...

Also, yay first post woot!

New thread smell is good. :3

Posted: **Wed Feb 01, 2017 5:57 pm**

I wonder how quickly this MAGAthread will fill up. I'm giving it a month.

Posted: **Wed Feb 01, 2017 5:57 pm**

The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:
Big Jim P wrote:
That alliance doesn't make us responsible for Canadas internal affairs.

And so we just ignore the thing inspired the killer?

When ISIS does it, you can't wait to jump down there throats but when Trumps ideas inspire it...

Also, yay first post woot!

New thread smell is good. :3

Evil Muslim Theorem.

Posted: **Wed Feb 01, 2017 5:57 pm**

NEWS OF THE DAY:
Betsy DeVos may not become Sec. of Ed as 2 GOP senators (Collins and Murkowski) refuse to vote for her, currently 50-50 tie if rest of GOP votes for her
http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/3173 ... etsy-devos

Senator Manchin wants there to be 60 votes required for approval of Neil Gorsuch
http://thehill.com/blogs/floor-action/s ... s-60-votes

National Security Advisor Mike Flynn says the White House is putting Iran on notice, NOT ruling out military action
http://www.politico.com/story/2017/02/i ... ynn-234503

Rex Tillerson is now Sec. of State
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/02 ... binet.html

Pres. Trump made a unannounced visit to Dover AFB to honor Navy SEAL
http://www.cnn.com/2017/02/01/politics/ ... yan-owens/

Pres. Trump threatened to send troops to Mexico in recent call with Mexican President Pena Nieto
http://time.com/4657474/donald-trump-en ... d-hombres/

In other news: SurveyUSA shows only 18% of Californians support Calexit, also more Californian Republicans support Calexit than Californian Democrats
http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollRep ... bc6a&c=100
http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollRep ... 6a&q=92485
http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollRep ... 6a&q=92486

Posted: **Wed Feb 01, 2017 5:58 pm**

Romalae wrote:I wonder how quickly this MAGAthread will fill up. I'm giving it a month.

Two months? The last one only lasted 17 days.

Posted: **Wed Feb 01, 2017 5:58 pm**

Continued from previous thread:

Big Jim P wrote:
Italios wrote:Bear in mind that recently a Canadian Trump supporter shot up a mosque, but of course he was just a lone wolf.

Trump is now responsible for Canadas security.

People will grasp at any straw as long as it is blaming Trump.

I'm not saying Trump could've stopped this (again, the shooter was a Trump supporter, though), I'm saying it's pointless to define only a specific type of terrorism from the same group as the only type of terrorism because other exists.

Posted: **Wed Feb 01, 2017 5:59 pm**

The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:
Big Jim P wrote:
That alliance doesn't make us responsible for Canadas internal affairs.

And so we just ignore the thing inspired the killer?

When ISIS does it, you can't wait to jump down there throats but when Trumps ideas inspire it...

Also, yay first post woot!

New thread smell is good. :3

Daesh CALLS for attacks. Trump hasn't. Nice try though.

Posted: **Wed Feb 01, 2017 5:59 pm**

Farnhamia wrote:
Romalae wrote:I wonder how quickly this MAGAthread will fill up. I'm giving it a month.

Two months? The last one only lasted 17 days.

My prognostication skills are quite poor, and also I wanted to hastily make my mark on the first page.

Posted: **Wed Feb 01, 2017 6:00 pm**

Farnhamia wrote:
Romalae wrote:I wonder how quickly this MAGAthread will fill up. I'm giving it a month.

Two months? The last one only lasted 17 days.

The last few pages reminded me of TET back when.

Posted: **Wed Feb 01, 2017 6:00 pm**

Just ran into a Kirby maining Trump supporter on Smash. He even had the Hillary 4 Prison intro to himself as a message. Not even my escape from politics allows me to run away from it completely.

Posted: **Wed Feb 01, 2017 6:00 pm**

Morgantown West Virginia wrote:Betsy DeVos may not become Sec. of Ed as 2 GOP senators (Collins and Murkowski) refuse to vote for her, currently 50-50 tie if rest of GOP votes for her

As I said in the previous thread, Pence will break this tie if it comes to that.

Posted: **Wed Feb 01, 2017 6:00 pm**

Ah, the thread about the legendary golf-playing brancruptcy-filling wall-promising US President Donald Trump has already reached its 4th volume!

Posted: **Wed Feb 01, 2017 6:01 pm**

Farnhamia wrote:
Romalae wrote:I wonder how quickly this MAGAthread will fill up. I'm giving it a month.

Two months? The last one only lasted 17 days.

But Farn. Clearly you should name it after me.

Posted: **Wed Feb 01, 2017 6:02 pm**

Big Jim P wrote:
The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:
And so we just ignore the thing inspired the killer?

When ISIS does it, you can't wait to jump down there throats but when Trumps ideas inspire it...

Also, yay first post woot!

New thread smell is good. :3

Daesh CALLS for attacks. Trump hasn't. Nice try though.

"Their evil ideology calls them for attacks!"

"Oh Trumps ideology is fine! No way to misconstrue that as calling for attacks! Not like they go on /Pol/."

Posted: **Wed Feb 01, 2017 6:02 pm**

Big Jim P wrote:He's doing what he said he would. Not something many politicians can claim.

He's putting America first. Exactly what an American President should do

By engaging in some of the worst cronyism the country has seen in living memory, on top of causing untold damage with our trade relations through out the world with zero care for the consequences, as well as implementing policies which infringe upon legal residents, migrants, and citizens of this county, then yes, he is putting America first. One can put America first without acting recklessly and with complete disregard for how it will impact the nation in the future.

Equally, "doing what he said he would do" is not in and of itself an admirable quality. I know he's doing what he said he would do; I disagreed massively with it then as I do now.

Posted: **Wed Feb 01, 2017 6:03 pm**

Italios wrote:Continued from previous thread:

Big Jim P wrote:
Trump is now responsible for Canadas security.

People will grasp at any straw as long as it is blaming Trump.

I'm not saying Trump could've stopped this (again, the shooter was a Trump supporter, though), I'm saying it's pointless to define only a specific type of terrorism from the same group as the only type of terrorism because other exists.

Agreed.

Now lets just stop.

Posted: **Wed Feb 01, 2017 6:03 pm**

http://www.businessinsider.com/trump-en ... ing-2017-2

More info on the Mexico Threat. I've coped the article below if you're like me who has adblock. (Though I just figured out I can block their stupid disable adblock popup)

During a phone call with Mexican President Enrique Peña Nieto on Friday, US President Donald Trump disparaged Mexico and threatened to use military force against the drug trade, according to Dolia Estevez, a journalist based in Washington, DC.

In an interview with the Mexican news outlet Aristegui Noticias, Estevez, who cited sources on both sides of the call, said, "It was a very offensive conversation where Trump humiliated Peña Nieto."

Estevez said that while both the White House and the Mexican president have released information about the call, both sides characterized it as a "friendly" conversation and neither disclosed what was said.

Estevez said she "obtained confidential information" corroborating the content of the discussion.

"I don't need the Mexicans. I don't need Mexico," Trump reportedly told the Mexican president. "We are going to build the wall and you all are going to pay for it, like it or not."

Trump hinted that the US would force Mexico to fund the wall with a 10% tax on Mexican exports "and of 35% on those exports that hurt Mexico the most," Estevez wrote in Proyecto Puente.

Before the call, White House press secretary Sean Spicer said Trump was considering a tax on imports from Mexico to pay for the wall.

Donald Trump Enrique Pena Nieto Mexico meeting
Pena Nieto and Trump. REUTERS/Henry Romero

"He even complained of the bad role the [Mexican] army is playing in the fight against narco trafficking," Estevez, who writes for Forbes and is close to the Mexican journalist and anchorwoman Carmen Aristegui, said during an interview with Aristegui's eponymous news outlet.

Trump "even suggested to [Peña Nieto] that if they are incapable of combatting [narco trafficking] he may have to send troops to assume this task," she said.

The US president "said he would not permit the drugs coming from Mexico to continue massacring our cities," Estevez added. She said Trump went so far as to say, "I really didn't want to go to Mexico last August," referring to Trump's visit to the Mexican capital last year.

Peña Nieto was accompanied on the call by people from his country's foreign ministry, while Trump was joined by "the famous son-in-law," likely meaning senior adviser Jared Kushner, and chief strategist Steven Bannon. Kushner is reportedly close to Mexican Foreign Minister Luis Videgaray, and they were seen as the likely go-betweens for the two governments.

"Before this unusual onslaught, Peña was not firm," Estevez said. "He was stammering."

Enrique Pena Nieto Luis Videgaray Mexico Trump foreign minister
Mexico's new foreign minister, Luis Videgaray, right, with Pena Nieto. REUTERS/Edgard Garrido
Despite this confrontation, the Mexican government still believes in negotiating with the Trump administration, Estevez said.

She also reports that Videgaray met with US officials on Tuesday in Tapachula, near the Mexico-Guatemala border.

According to Estevez, the Mexican foreign minister met with Craig Deare, a member of Trump's National Security Council handling the Western Hemisphere; Adm. Kurt Tidd, commander of US Southern Command; and Roberta Jacobson, the US ambassador to Mexico. The Mexican Foreign Ministry has made no mention of the encounter.

Estevez says the meeting was to address Mexican cooperation in deterring the flow of Central American migrants through Mexico to the US. However, neither US nor Mexican officials contacted by Estevez would confirm the meeting.

Posted: **Wed Feb 01, 2017 6:03 pm**

He threatened to send troops into Mexico to "fight narco-traffickers". That's it. Trump is an idiot in world politics. It's one idiotic thing to ban people from countries in civil war or that we have military intervention in, but to threaten to invade a regional ally and neighbor?

Posted: **Wed Feb 01, 2017 6:03 pm**

Lady Scylla wrote:
Farnhamia wrote:Two months? The last one only lasted 17 days.

But Farn. Clearly you should name it after me.

Because you last 17 days?

Posted: **Wed Feb 01, 2017 6:04 pm**

Novoserbistan wrote:Ah, the thread about the legendary golf-playing brancruptcy-filling wall-promising US President Donald Trump has already reached its 4th volume!

After eight years of the right bitching about Obama, it is rather refreshing to hear the left bitching about Trump. Four to twelve years and it will flip-flop again.

Posted: **Wed Feb 01, 2017 6:04 pm**

Romalae wrote:
Morgantown West Virginia wrote:Betsy DeVos may not become Sec. of Ed as 2 GOP senators (Collins and Murkowski) refuse to vote for her, currently 50-50 tie if rest of GOP votes for her

As I said in the previous thread, Pence will break this tie if it comes to that.

And worse yet, he'd see her as doing God's work.

Posted: **Wed Feb 01, 2017 6:05 pm**

Lady Scylla wrote:http://www.businessinsider.com/trump-enrique-pena-nieto-mexico-phone-call-humiliating-threatening-2017-2

More info on the Mexico Threat. I've coped the article below if you're like me who has adblock. (Though I just figured out I can block their stupid disable adblock popup)

During a phone call with Mexican President Enrique Peña Nieto on Friday, US President Donald Trump disparaged Mexico and threatened to use military force against the drug trade, according to Dolia Estevez, a journalist based in Washington, DC.

In an interview with the Mexican news outlet Aristegui Noticias, Estevez, who cited sources on both sides of the call, said, "It was a very offensive conversation where Trump humiliated Peña Nieto."

Estevez said that while both the White House and the Mexican president have released information about the call, both sides characterized it as a "friendly" conversation and neither disclosed what was said.

Estevez said she "obtained confidential information" corroborating the content of the discussion.

"I don't need the Mexicans. I don't need Mexico," Trump reportedly told the Mexican president. "We are going to build the wall and you all are going to pay for it, like it or not."

Trump hinted that the US would force Mexico to fund the wall with a 10% tax on Mexican exports "and of 35% on those exports that hurt Mexico the most," Estevez wrote in Proyecto Puente.

Before the call, White House press secretary Sean Spicer said Trump was considering a tax on imports from Mexico to pay for the wall.

Donald Trump Enrique Pena Nieto Mexico meeting
Pena Nieto and Trump. REUTERS/Henry Romero

"He even complained of the bad role the [Mexican] army is playing in the fight against narco trafficking," Estevez, who writes for Forbes and is close to the Mexican journalist and anchorwoman Carmen Aristegui, said during an interview with Aristegui's eponymous news outlet.

Trump "even suggested to [Peña Nieto] that if they are incapable of combatting [narco trafficking] he may have to send troops to assume this task," she said.

The US president "said he would not permit the drugs coming from Mexico to continue massacring our cities," Estevez added. She said Trump went so far as to say, "I really didn't want to go to Mexico last August," referring to Trump's visit to the Mexican capital last year.

Peña Nieto was accompanied on the call by people from his country's foreign ministry, while Trump was joined by "the famous son-in-law," likely meaning senior adviser Jared Kushner, and chief strategist Steven Bannon. Kushner is reportedly close to Mexican Foreign Minister Luis Videgaray, and they were seen as the likely go-betweens for the two governments.

"Before this unusual onslaught, Peña was not firm," Estevez said. "He was stammering."

Enrique Pena Nieto Luis Videgaray Mexico Trump foreign minister
Mexico's new foreign minister, Luis Videgaray, right, with Pena Nieto. REUTERS/Edgard Garrido
Despite this confrontation, the Mexican government still believes in negotiating with the Trump administration, Estevez said.

She also reports that Videgaray met with US officials on Tuesday in Tapachula, near the Mexico-Guatemala border.

According to Estevez, the Mexican foreign minister met with Craig Deare, a member of Trump's National Security Council handling the Western Hemisphere; Adm. Kurt Tidd, commander of US Southern Command; and Roberta Jacobson, the US ambassador to Mexico. The Mexican Foreign Ministry has made no mention of the encounter.

Estevez says the meeting was to address Mexican cooperation in deterring the flow of Central American migrants through Mexico to the US. However, neither US nor Mexican officials contacted by Estevez would confirm the meeting.

Get the United States military involved in an actual drug war with the cartels. What Could Possibly Go Wrong?

Posted: **Wed Feb 01, 2017 6:05 pm**

Big Jim P wrote:
The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:
And so we just ignore the thing inspired the killer?

When ISIS does it, you can't wait to jump down there throats but when Trumps ideas inspire it...

Also, yay first post woot!

New thread smell is good. :3

Daesh CALLS for attacks. Trump hasn't. Nice try though.

Trump calls for his military to attack the same as ISIS. In all honesty I don't see much difference in the targets either, not that Obama did any better.

Posted: **Wed Feb 01, 2017 6:06 pm**

Everyone, wait a moment! How come you're not tired from all these Trump-related debates? Why don't you take a break and have something to drink?

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