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Postby Big Jim P » Wed Feb 01, 2017 6:06 pm

Seangoli wrote:
Big Jim P wrote:He's doing what he said he would. Not something many politicians can claim.

He's putting America first. Exactly what an American President should do


By engaging in some of the worst cronyism the country has seen in living memory, on top of causing untold damage with our trade relations through out the world with zero care for the consequences, as well as implementing policies which infringe upon legal residents, migrants, and citizens of this county, then yes, he is putting America first. One can put America first without acting recklessly and with complete disregard for how it will impact the nation in the future.

Equally, "doing what he said he would do" is not in and of itself an admirable quality. I know he's doing what he said he would do; I disagreed massively with it then as I do now.


Well there you go. I agree with most of what he's done so far.

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Because you last 17 days?


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Postby Internationalist Bastard » Wed Feb 01, 2017 6:06 pm

Pimps Inc wrote:He threatened to send troops into Mexico to "fight narco-traffickers". That's it. Trump is an idiot in world politics. It's one idiotic thing to ban people from countries in civil war or that we have military intervention in, but to threaten to invade a regional ally and neighbor?

Yeah, he has no clue what he's doing
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Postby Uxupox » Wed Feb 01, 2017 6:06 pm

Pimps Inc wrote:He threatened to send troops into Mexico to "fight narco-traffickers". That's it. Trump is an idiot in world politics. It's one idiotic thing to ban people from countries in civil war or that we have military intervention in, but to threaten to invade a regional ally and neighbor?


Mexico has never been an american regional ally.
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Postby The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp » Wed Feb 01, 2017 6:06 pm

Lady Scylla wrote:http://www.businessinsider.com/trump-enrique-pena-nieto-mexico-phone-call-humiliating-threatening-2017-2

More info on the Mexico Threat. I've coped the article below if you're like me who has adblock. (Though I just figured out I can block their stupid disable adblock popup)

During a phone call with Mexican President Enrique Peña Nieto on Friday, US President Donald Trump disparaged Mexico and threatened to use military force against the drug trade, according to Dolia Estevez, a journalist based in Washington, DC.

In an interview with the Mexican news outlet Aristegui Noticias, Estevez, who cited sources on both sides of the call, said, "It was a very offensive conversation where Trump humiliated Peña Nieto."

Estevez said that while both the White House and the Mexican president have released information about the call, both sides characterized it as a "friendly" conversation and neither disclosed what was said.

Estevez said she "obtained confidential information" corroborating the content of the discussion.

"I don't need the Mexicans. I don't need Mexico," Trump reportedly told the Mexican president. "We are going to build the wall and you all are going to pay for it, like it or not."

Trump hinted that the US would force Mexico to fund the wall with a 10% tax on Mexican exports "and of 35% on those exports that hurt Mexico the most," Estevez wrote in Proyecto Puente.

Before the call, White House press secretary Sean Spicer said Trump was considering a tax on imports from Mexico to pay for the wall.

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Pena Nieto and Trump. REUTERS/Henry Romero

"He even complained of the bad role the [Mexican] army is playing in the fight against narco trafficking," Estevez, who writes for Forbes and is close to the Mexican journalist and anchorwoman Carmen Aristegui, said during an interview with Aristegui's eponymous news outlet.

Trump "even suggested to [Peña Nieto] that if they are incapable of combatting [narco trafficking] he may have to send troops to assume this task," she said.

The US president "said he would not permit the drugs coming from Mexico to continue massacring our cities," Estevez added. She said Trump went so far as to say, "I really didn't want to go to Mexico last August," referring to Trump's visit to the Mexican capital last year.

Peña Nieto was accompanied on the call by people from his country's foreign ministry, while Trump was joined by "the famous son-in-law," likely meaning senior adviser Jared Kushner, and chief strategist Steven Bannon. Kushner is reportedly close to Mexican Foreign Minister Luis Videgaray, and they were seen as the likely go-betweens for the two governments.

"Before this unusual onslaught, Peña was not firm," Estevez said. "He was stammering."

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Mexico's new foreign minister, Luis Videgaray, right, with Pena Nieto. REUTERS/Edgard Garrido
Despite this confrontation, the Mexican government still believes in negotiating with the Trump administration, Estevez said.

She also reports that Videgaray met with US officials on Tuesday in Tapachula, near the Mexico-Guatemala border.

According to Estevez, the Mexican foreign minister met with Craig Deare, a member of Trump's National Security Council handling the Western Hemisphere; Adm. Kurt Tidd, commander of US Southern Command; and Roberta Jacobson, the US ambassador to Mexico. The Mexican Foreign Ministry has made no mention of the encounter.

Estevez says the meeting was to address Mexican cooperation in deterring the flow of Central American migrants through Mexico to the US. However, neither US nor Mexican officials contacted by Estevez would confirm the meeting.


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Postby Internationalist Bastard » Wed Feb 01, 2017 6:07 pm

Lady Scylla wrote:
Internationalist Bastard wrote:Because you last 17 days?


LOL!

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Postby Gauthier » Wed Feb 01, 2017 6:08 pm

Uxupox wrote:
Pimps Inc wrote:He threatened to send troops into Mexico to "fight narco-traffickers". That's it. Trump is an idiot in world politics. It's one idiotic thing to ban people from countries in civil war or that we have military intervention in, but to threaten to invade a regional ally and neighbor?


Mexico has never been an american regional ally.

Trump inspiring the cartels and Daesh to team up against the U.S. Absolutely brilliant.
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Postby Big Jim P » Wed Feb 01, 2017 6:08 pm

Gauthier wrote:
Lady Scylla wrote:http://www.businessinsider.com/trump-enrique-pena-nieto-mexico-phone-call-humiliating-threatening-2017-2

More info on the Mexico Threat. I've coped the article below if you're like me who has adblock. (Though I just figured out I can block their stupid disable adblock popup)


Get the United States military involved in an actual drug war with the cartels. What Could Possibly Go Wrong?


We did the same thing in Colombia and Panama.

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Postby Internationalist Bastard » Wed Feb 01, 2017 6:08 pm

Uxupox wrote:
Pimps Inc wrote:He threatened to send troops into Mexico to "fight narco-traffickers". That's it. Trump is an idiot in world politics. It's one idiotic thing to ban people from countries in civil war or that we have military intervention in, but to threaten to invade a regional ally and neighbor?


Mexico has never been an american regional ally.

Well, largest Trade partner
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Postby Sarigen » Wed Feb 01, 2017 6:08 pm

I don't like many of his policy ideas, and worry about what his plans for trade will do to Canada; with Canada being my own Country.

It also seems candidly strange that all the Christians and conservatives are supporting trump. He's had multiple divorces, made crude comments while married, couldn't think of a favourite part of the Bible. It's just really strange to me.

I doubt the world will end, but I'll be surprised (although perhaps pleasantly so), if Trump is a good president that is loved enough to be re-elected.

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Postby Galloism » Wed Feb 01, 2017 6:08 pm

Big Jim P wrote:
Seangoli wrote:
By engaging in some of the worst cronyism the country has seen in living memory, on top of causing untold damage with our trade relations through out the world with zero care for the consequences, as well as implementing policies which infringe upon legal residents, migrants, and citizens of this county, then yes, he is putting America first. One can put America first without acting recklessly and with complete disregard for how it will impact the nation in the future.

Equally, "doing what he said he would do" is not in and of itself an admirable quality. I know he's doing what he said he would do; I disagreed massively with it then as I do now.


Well there you go. I agree with most of what he's done so far.

Does that include detaining people without charge and denying them access to an attorney in direct defiance of a federal court order?
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Postby Gauthier » Wed Feb 01, 2017 6:09 pm

Big Jim P wrote:
Gauthier wrote:Get the United States military involved in an actual drug war with the cartels. What Could Possibly Go Wrong?


We did the same thing in Colombia and Panama.

Trump is a hell of a lot more impulsive and reckless than Clinton. Bush or Obama. More likely than not significant troop movement would be involved.
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Postby Uxupox » Wed Feb 01, 2017 6:09 pm

Internationalist Bastard wrote:
Uxupox wrote:
Mexico has never been an american regional ally.

Well, largest Trade partner


Our third largest our main trading partner is Canada then closely followed by China.
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Farnhamia wrote:Two months? The last one only lasted 17 days.


But Farn. Clearly you should name it after me.

I expect it'll be changed but there.
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Postby Big Jim P » Wed Feb 01, 2017 6:10 pm

Gauthier wrote:
Uxupox wrote:
Mexico has never been an american regional ally.

Trump inspiring the cartels and Daesh to team up against the U.S. Absolutely brilliant.


We still out-gun both, and anything, that is even more incentive t secure our border.

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Postby Gauthier » Wed Feb 01, 2017 6:10 pm

Sarigen wrote:I don't like many of his policy ideas, and worry about what his plans for trade will do to Canada; with Canada being my own Country.

It also seems candidly strange that all the Christians and conservatives are supporting trump. He's had multiple divorces, made crude comments while married, couldn't think of a favourite part of the Bible. It's just really strange to me.

I doubt the world will end, but I'll be surprised (although perhaps pleasantly so), if Trump is a good president that is loved enough to be re-elected.

Because they see him as a rubber stamp for their pet agendas, consistency be damned.
Crimes committed by Muslims will be a pan-Islamic plot and proof of Islam's inherent evil. On the other hand crimes committed by non-Muslims will merely be the acts of loners who do not represent their belief system at all.
The probability of one's participation in homosexual acts is directly proportional to one's public disdain and disgust for homosexuals.
If a political figure makes an accusation of wrongdoing without evidence, odds are probable that the accuser or an associate thereof has in fact committed the very same act, possibly to a worse degree.
Where is your God-Emperor now?

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Postby Galloism » Wed Feb 01, 2017 6:10 pm

Farnhamia wrote:
Lady Scylla wrote:
But Farn. Clearly you should name it after me.

I expect it'll be changed but there.

Definitely should have gone 'bad hombres'. Bad dudes is too subtle.
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Postby Uxupox » Wed Feb 01, 2017 6:10 pm

Sarigen wrote:I don't like many of his policy ideas, and worry about what his plans for trade will do to Canada; with Canada being my own Country.

It also seems candidly strange that all the Christians and conservatives are supporting trump. He's had multiple divorces, made crude comments while married, couldn't think of a favourite part of the Bible. It's just really strange to me.

I doubt the world will end, but I'll be surprised (although perhaps pleasantly so), if Trump is a good president that is loved enough to be re-elected.


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Postby Internationalist Bastard » Wed Feb 01, 2017 6:11 pm

Uxupox wrote:
Internationalist Bastard wrote:Well, largest Trade partner


Our third largest our main trading partner is Canada then closely followed by China.

To them I mean.
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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Wed Feb 01, 2017 6:11 pm

Big Jim P wrote:
Seangoli wrote:
By engaging in some of the worst cronyism the country has seen in living memory, on top of causing untold damage with our trade relations through out the world with zero care for the consequences, as well as implementing policies which infringe upon legal residents, migrants, and citizens of this county, then yes, he is putting America first. One can put America first without acting recklessly and with complete disregard for how it will impact the nation in the future.

Equally, "doing what he said he would do" is not in and of itself an admirable quality. I know he's doing what he said he would do; I disagreed massively with it then as I do now.


Well there you go. I agree with most of what he's done so far.


Let me see if I get this straight: you're okay with discriminating upon American citizens and permanent residents, people who, you know, have 14th amendment rights of due process?
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Postby San Lumen » Wed Feb 01, 2017 6:11 pm

Pimps Inc wrote:He threatened to send troops into Mexico to "fight narco-traffickers". That's it. Trump is an idiot in world politics. It's one idiotic thing to ban people from countries in civil war or that we have military intervention in, but to threaten to invade a regional ally and neighbor?

Congress would never approve going to war with Mexico.

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Pimps Inc wrote:He threatened to send troops into Mexico to "fight narco-traffickers". That's it. Trump is an idiot in world politics. It's one idiotic thing to ban people from countries in civil war or that we have military intervention in, but to threaten to invade a regional ally and neighbor?


Mexico has never been an american regional ally.

It absolutely has.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-31699344
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During an official visit by President Enrique Pena Nieto in January, Mr Obama called Mexico "one of our closest allies, neighbours and friends".
Mexico was the US's third largest trading partner in 2014 and more than $20bn (£13.6bn) in remittances is directed back to Mexico each year from families working in the US.
Mexico wants the US to reform its immigration laws, which will impact on millions of Mexicans living in the US, and the US has put some pressure - critics say not enough - on Mexico to combat organised crime and violence.
The Cuba thaw has also won Mr Obama accolades from Mexico.
Personal relationship with Obama: Mr Pena Nieto and Mr Obama seem to get along well. Amid their own political troubles at home, they have used bilateral meetings to focus on the "good news" of economic exchange between the two countries.


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Postby Gauthier » Wed Feb 01, 2017 6:11 pm

Uxupox wrote:
Sarigen wrote:I don't like many of his policy ideas, and worry about what his plans for trade will do to Canada; with Canada being my own Country.

It also seems candidly strange that all the Christians and conservatives are supporting trump. He's had multiple divorces, made crude comments while married, couldn't think of a favourite part of the Bible. It's just really strange to me.

I doubt the world will end, but I'll be surprised (although perhaps pleasantly so), if Trump is a good president that is loved enough to be re-elected.


Religious folk are not a hive mind.

Unless they're Muslim apparently.
Crimes committed by Muslims will be a pan-Islamic plot and proof of Islam's inherent evil. On the other hand crimes committed by non-Muslims will merely be the acts of loners who do not represent their belief system at all.
The probability of one's participation in homosexual acts is directly proportional to one's public disdain and disgust for homosexuals.
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Postby Big Jim P » Wed Feb 01, 2017 6:11 pm

Galloism wrote:
Big Jim P wrote:
Well there you go. I agree with most of what he's done so far.

Does that include detaining people without charge and denying them access to an attorney in direct defiance of a federal court order?


Are you talking about violtors of the legal (and precedented) travel ban?
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Postby Lady Scylla » Wed Feb 01, 2017 6:11 pm

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Lady Scylla wrote:
But Farn. Clearly you should name it after me.

I expect it'll be changed but there.


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