Trump MAGAThread IV: Twixt Scylla & Some Bad Hombres

[Shofercia]

Stop moving goalposts. What I am saying is that if there was a chance that Trump might betray the country, the IRS would've leaked his tax returns. That's all I said. If there was something in them that would just damage Trump, the IRS wouldn't give a fuck.

Nice vapor defense. Whose tax returns have the leaked before for the good of the people?

Honestly, the only traitorous president I could think of, was Buchanan. Even Nixon's crap was mostly internal. That said, if Nixon's crap was external, and IRS knew about it, don't you think that they'd leak it?

[The Black Forrest]

Nice vapor defense. Whose tax returns have the leaked before for the good of the people?

Honestly, the only traitorous president I could think of, was Buchanan. Even Nixon's crap was mostly internal. That said, if Nixon's crap was external, and IRS knew about it, don't you think that they'd leak it?

No. Not really.

[Shofercia]

Nice vapor defense. Whose tax returns have the leaked before for the good of the people?

I never knew before that the IRS was the last line of defense against tyranny.

The things you learn on NSG

Seriously though, I honestly think that if the IRS thought that the president was a traitor, and had proof, they'd disclose it.

[Shofercia]

Honestly, the only traitorous president I could think of, was Buchanan. Even Nixon's crap was mostly internal. That said, if Nixon's crap was external, and IRS knew about it, don't you think that they'd leak it?

No. Not really.

That's very pessimistic.

[Occupied Deutschland]

Stop moving goalposts. What I am saying is that if there was a chance that Trump might betray the country, the IRS would've leaked his tax returns. That's all I said. If there was something in them that would just damage Trump, the IRS wouldn't give a fuck.

Nice vapor defense. Whose tax returns have the leaked before for the good of the people?

Donald Trump's '94 returns that were leaked during the election comes to mind.
Though alongside of that comes an image of some IRS agent screaming 'Why didn't you LISTEN to me!' at the television on election night.

[Galloism]

I never knew before that the IRS was the last line of defense against tyranny.

The things you learn on NSG

Seriously though, I honestly think that if the IRS thought that the president was a traitor, and had proof, they'd disclose it.

I don't think you've met very many IRS agents.

[Shofercia]

The things you learn on NSG

Seriously though, I honestly think that if the IRS thought that the president was a traitor, and had proof, they'd disclose it.

I don't think you've met very many IRS agents.

That's true. Are they really that bad?

[Galloism]

I don't think you've met very many IRS agents.

That's true. Are they really that bad?

They're not evil, if that's the question. They're just incredibly boring, for the most part.

[Shofercia]

That's true. Are they really that bad?

They're not evil, if that's the question. They're just incredibly boring, for the most part.

So is boredom a required feat for an IRS agent?

[The Black Forrest]

That's true. Are they really that bad?

They're not evil, if that's the question. They're just incredibly boring, for the most part.

Ahhh yup.

I do always remember one it manager from long ago. She was talking up who tax returns were going to be easy because they would look over your spending (she said amercian express) and send you a bill for what you should pay.

She was convinced it was a great thing for everybody.

Most of the time; I found they didn't have much to say.....

[Ifreann]

Based on what? Does the IRS have some reputation for only hiring the most conscientious of people, of whom any one would gladly break the law and release private information about an American citizen if they felt doing so was in the best interests of the American people?


So what you're telling me is that the IRS would definitely leak Trump's tax returns if there was anything in them that would damage Trump, unless it's just Trump avoiding taxes as far as he possibly can, because if they leaked that damaging information about Trump then they'd probably be fired. But they would totally not fear for their jobs if there were any other damaging information.

Stop moving goalposts. What I am saying is that if there was a chance that Trump might betray the country, the IRS would've leaked his tax returns. That's all I said. If there was something in them that would just damage Trump, the IRS wouldn't give a fuck.

I've left the goalposts where I found them. You said "Considering all of the leaks, if there was anything that would make Trump look like a traitor in his tax returns, it would've been leaked by now." A lot of things could make Trump look like a traitor, even if they wouldn't constitute the crime of treason.

[Ashmoria]

Innit funny how when Obama and the left wanted to order an investigation of the election because of "Muh Russian Hacking" it isn't idiotic?

Probably because they did find evidence of Russian hacking and information leaking.

Or probably because they found out that Trump's team had contact with Russia during the campaign.

and that it has never been a secret that schumer has met putin.

[Galloism]

They're not evil, if that's the question. They're just incredibly boring, for the most part.

So is boredom a required feat for an IRS agent?

Pretty nearly.

They're nice people in my experience, but they could make Ben Stein pass out while he was on a high on a mixture of meth, cocaine, and ephedrine.

[Ashmoria]

It's the Caesar's Wife principle. Wiki sayeth ...

In 63 BC Caesar was elected to the position of Pontifex Maximus, the chief priest of the Roman state religion, which came with an official residence on the Via Sacra.[3] In 62 BC Pompeia hosted the festival of the Bona Dea ("good goddess"), which no man was permitted to attend, in this house. However a young patrician named Publius Clodius Pulcher managed to gain admittance disguised as a woman, apparently for the purpose of seducing Pompeia. He was caught and prosecuted for sacrilege. Caesar gave no evidence against Clodius at his trial, and he was acquitted. Nevertheless, Caesar divorced Pompeia, saying that "my wife ought not even to be under suspicion."[4] This gave rise to a proverb, sometimes expressed: "Caesar's wife must be above suspicion."[5][6]

Sessions was, from time to time, a Trump campaign surrogate. He should have had the forethought to refrain from meeting the Russian ambassador on the basis that it could look bad for Trump. Or maybe Sessions didn't really think Trump could pull it off, in which case, who cares?

and if he DID talk to the Russian ambassador all he had to do was say that he had. its not freaking illegal.

[Ashmoria]

Nice vapor defense. Whose tax returns have the leaked before for the good of the people?

Honestly, the only traitorous president I could think of, was Buchanan. Even Nixon's crap was mostly internal. That said, if Nixon's crap was external, and IRS knew about it, don't you think that they'd leak it?

i don't think the irs has EVER leaked anyone's tax returns.

correct me if I'm wrong.

[Ashmoria]

No. Not really.

That's very pessimistic.

they don't have to.

congress and courts can subpoena tax returns.

[Galloism]

Honestly, the only traitorous president I could think of, was Buchanan. Even Nixon's crap was mostly internal. That said, if Nixon's crap was external, and IRS knew about it, don't you think that they'd leak it?

i don't think the irs has EVER leaked anyone's tax returns.

correct me if I'm wrong.

In the sense of a political leak? Never that I'm aware of.

Identity thieves did access the IRS transcript service and pull peoples tax return transcripts one time.

[Ashmoria]

i don't think the irs has EVER leaked anyone's tax returns.

correct me if I'm wrong.

In the sense of a political leak? Never that I'm aware of.

Identity thieves did access the IRS transcript service and pull peoples tax return transcripts one time.

that's not the irs leaking

that's hackers.

[Galloism]

In the sense of a political leak? Never that I'm aware of.

Identity thieves did access the IRS transcript service and pull peoples tax return transcripts one time.

that's not the irs leaking

that's hackers.

Not even that really - they used personal information known to the identity thieves to get past IRS's identity verification system.

It's not so much "hacking" as "they had the information".

Which is not a leak in the sense of a political leak.

[Senkaku]

Friendly reminder that Franken didn't even fucking ask Sessions about his personal Russian connections, and that Sessions was lying under oath as a way to dodge the actual question. The question was: "If there was any evidence that anyone affiliated with the Trump campaign communicated with the Russian government in the course of this (2016) campaign, what would you do?"

He didn't ever say what he'd do, he just said he wasn't aware of such activities and that he "did not have communications with the Russians." So in this case, lying under oath and adding fuel to an already-incendiary incident he must've known would eventually be unearthed was his way of not actually talking about what he'd do as AG if someone else in the administration had been similarly having meetings.

[Shofercia]

Stop moving goalposts. What I am saying is that if there was a chance that Trump might betray the country, the IRS would've leaked his tax returns. That's all I said. If there was something in them that would just damage Trump, the IRS wouldn't give a fuck.

I've left the goalposts where I found them. You said "Considering all of the leaks, if there was anything that would make Trump look like a traitor in his tax returns, it would've been leaked by now." A lot of things could make Trump look like a traitor, even if they wouldn't constitute the crime of treason.

Really? Because earlier you said this:

So what you're telling me is that the IRS would definitely leak Trump's tax returns if there was anything in them that would damage Trump, unless it's just Trump avoiding taxes as far as he possibly can...

Which is a far cry from betrayal. Maybe Trump doesn't want to release his taxes because he doesn't want to show how little he made? Would releasing that damage Trump? Maybe. Is that Trump betraying anyone? Nope. But sure, the goalposts stayed exactly where they are, uh-huh:

[Internationalist Bastard]

So apparently Police are guarding the Obama care replacement bill and actively barring anyone from reading it.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/rand-paul-blocked-reading-secret-draft-obamacare-repeal-article-1.2986995

[Gauthier]

So apparently Police are guarding the Obama care replacement bill and actively barring anyone from reading it.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/rand-paul-blocked-reading-secret-draft-obamacare-repeal-article-1.2986995

They blocked Rand Paul? Which means they either have jack shit for a replacement or they don't want Paul to find out it's just Obamacare with a huge gold Trump logo affixed on the face.

[Ashmoria]

So apparently Police are guarding the Obama care replacement bill and actively barring anyone from reading it.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/rand-paul-blocked-reading-secret-draft-obamacare-repeal-article-1.2986995

wouldn't want anyone to know what they plan to do in time to try to stop it.

[Internationalist Bastard]

So apparently Police are guarding the Obama care replacement bill and actively barring anyone from reading it.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/rand-paul-blocked-reading-secret-draft-obamacare-repeal-article-1.2986995

They blocked Rand Paul? Which means they either have jack shit for a replacement or they don't want Paul to find out it's just Obamacare with a huge gold Trump logo affixed on the face.

I think they just in general don't want anyone to read laws. We should just pass things