Trump MAGAThread IV: Twixt Scylla & Some Bad Hombres

[Rikesland Brinea]

Then why didn't they show us the evidence?!

That's like saying: "Russian hacked Hillary's Emails! We have proof!" And then not giving any, relying on gullible folk to believe it.

They did. They also showed the evidence to both Obama and Trump.

Get better material, or just don't try at all.

They didn't show us, how am I supposed to believe it's real if I don't get confirmation?

[Rikesland Brinea]

Because some people came up with a stupid conspiracy means I'm wrong? Alright then.

No, the people you're trying to defend (Trump and his team) came up with those theories.

Alright, so how does that mean I'm wrong?

[Great Franconia and Verana]

They did. They also showed the evidence to both Obama and Trump.

Get better material, or just don't try at all.

They didn't show us, how am I supposed to believe it's real if I don't get confirmation?

You are not a member of the Government, nor of the Armed Services. They have put out lots of information, look for it. Don't expect it delivered to your conspicuously non-White House.

[Vassenor]

No, the people you're trying to defend (Trump and his team) came up with those theories.

Alright, so how does that mean I'm wrong?

It means you're doing the whole "pot calling the kettle black" deal.

[New haven america]

They did. They also showed the evidence to both Obama and Trump.

Get better material, or just don't try at all.

They didn't show us, how am I supposed to believe it's real if I don't get confirmation?

Yes they did, they were very public about it when they finished the investigation.

Russia sent a phishing email to both the DNC and RNC and was able to hack and collect information on both parties, in which then they started leaking DNC information through WikiLeaks (Who have publically stated that they're Pro-Russia now) in order to sway the populous to vote for Trump (Who's team has been confirmed to have had contact with Russia during the campaign). They haven't released all the info yet, but that's because they're government security agencies, and are likely looking deeper into these matters.

Seriously, what rock were you living under?

[Rikesland Brinea]

Alright, so how does that mean I'm wrong?

It means you're doing the whole "pot calling the kettle black" deal.

No, I'm just pointing out a double standard.

[Vassenor]

It means you're doing the whole "pot calling the kettle black" deal.

No, I'm just pointing out a double standard.

So you think the claims about pro-Democrat election rigging and illegal voters are equally bollocks then?

[Great Franconia and Verana]

They didn't show us, how am I supposed to believe it's real if I don't get confirmation?

Yes they did, they were very public about it when they finished the investigation.

Russia sent a phishing email to both the DNC and RNC and was able to hack and collect information on both parties, in which then they started leaking DNC information through WikiLeaks (Who have publically stated that they're Pro-Russia now) in order to sway the populous to vote for Trump (Who's team has been confirmed to have had contact with Russia during the campaign). They haven't released all the info yet, but that's because they're government security agencies, and are likely looking deeper into these matters.

Seriously, what rock were you living under?

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[Jamzmania]

They didn't show us, how am I supposed to believe it's real if I don't get confirmation?

Yes they did, they were very public about it when they finished the investigation.

Russia sent a phishing email to both the DNC and RNC and was able to hack and collect information on both parties, in which then they started leaking DNC information through WikiLeaks (Who have publically stated that they're Pro-Russia now) in order to sway the populous to vote for Trump (Who's team has been confirmed to have had contact with Russia during the campaign). They haven't released all the info yet, but that's because they're government security agencies, and are likely looking deeper into these matters.

Seriously, what rock were you living under?

I'm not sure that it has been confirmed that the RNC was actually successfully hacked, but the DNC definitely was. Russia was certainly trying to help Trump, there's no question about that, but it seems more likely that they were doing that because Trump has been openly pro-Russia instead of a conspiracy directly involving the Trump campaign. Trump's team being "in contact" with Russia during the campaign isn't inherently suspicious (they were probably "in contact" with numerous countries, considering the nature of the office Trump was running for).

The smart thing for Trump to do about this whole situation is for him to support an investigation by Congress into the matter. If there is nothing there, that will come out, and Trump will be seen in a better light for having been "transparent" or whatever.

[Rikesland Brinea]

No, I'm just pointing out a double standard.

So you think the claims about pro-Democrat election rigging and illegal voters are equally bollocks then?

Yeah, those are bollocky bollocks.

[Great Franconia and Verana]

Yes they did, they were very public about it when they finished the investigation.

Russia sent a phishing email to both the DNC and RNC and was able to hack and collect information on both parties, in which then they started leaking DNC information through WikiLeaks (Who have publically stated that they're Pro-Russia now) in order to sway the populous to vote for Trump (Who's team has been confirmed to have had contact with Russia during the campaign). They haven't released all the info yet, but that's because they're government security agencies, and are likely looking deeper into these matters.

Seriously, what rock were you living under?

I'm not sure that it has been confirmed that the RNC was actually successfully hacked, but the DNC definitely was. Russia was certainly trying to help Trump, there's no question about that, but it seems more likely that they were doing that because Trump has been openly pro-Russia instead of a conspiracy directly involving the Trump campaign. Trump's team being "in contact" with Russia during the campaign isn't inherently suspicious (they were probably "in contact" with numerous countries, considering the nature of the office Trump was running for).

The smart thing for Trump to do about this whole situation is for him to support an investigation by Congress into the matter. If there is nothing there, that will come out, and Trump will be seen in a better light for having been "transparent" or whatever.

That'll happen over Trump's dead body.
It would be a smart idea, but the guy hate any kind of criticism, real or perceived. Making a Congressional Subcomittee on Russiagate would open him up to such criticism.

[Jamzmania]

I'm not sure that it has been confirmed that the RNC was actually successfully hacked, but the DNC definitely was. Russia was certainly trying to help Trump, there's no question about that, but it seems more likely that they were doing that because Trump has been openly pro-Russia instead of a conspiracy directly involving the Trump campaign. Trump's team being "in contact" with Russia during the campaign isn't inherently suspicious (they were probably "in contact" with numerous countries, considering the nature of the office Trump was running for).

The smart thing for Trump to do about this whole situation is for him to support an investigation by Congress into the matter. If there is nothing there, that will come out, and Trump will be seen in a better light for having been "transparent" or whatever.

That'll happen over Trump's dead body.
It would be a smart idea, but the guy hate any kind of criticism, real or perceived. Making a Congressional Subcomittee on Russiagate would open him up to such criticism.

Indeed.

[Great Franconia and Verana]

So you think the claims about pro-Democrat election rigging and illegal voters are equally bollocks then?

Yeah, those are bollocky bollocks.

So the one with proof from the Federal Government is equally as questionable as the ramblings of a narcissistic asshole?
Sure.

[Rikesland Brinea]

Yeah, those are bollocky bollocks.

So the one with proof from the Federal Government is equally as questionable as the ramblings of a narcissistic asshole?
Sure.

Yeah. A previous government which never seems to be criticized for anything because they're "so perfect."

It's not like the TEMPORARY BAN on immigration from certain countries also happens to include countries THE OBAMA ADMINISTRATION said could be potentially dangerous.
Or that OBAMA banned predominately Muslim nations from immigrating into the US 6 times or anything.

[New haven america]

Yes they did, they were very public about it when they finished the investigation.

Russia sent a phishing email to both the DNC and RNC and was able to hack and collect information on both parties, in which then they started leaking DNC information through WikiLeaks (Who have publically stated that they're Pro-Russia now) in order to sway the populous to vote for Trump (Who's team has been confirmed to have had contact with Russia during the campaign). They haven't released all the info yet, but that's because they're government security agencies, and are likely looking deeper into these matters.

Seriously, what rock were you living under?

I'm not sure that it has been confirmed that the RNC was actually successfully hacked, but the DNC definitely was. Russia was certainly trying to help Trump, there's no question about that, but it seems more likely that they were doing that because Trump has been openly pro-Russia instead of a conspiracy directly involving the Trump campaign. Trump's team being "in contact" with Russia during the campaign isn't inherently suspicious (they were probably "in contact" with numerous countries, considering the nature of the office Trump was running for).

The smart thing for Trump to do about this whole situation is for him to support an investigation by Congress into the matter. If there is nothing there, that will come out, and Trump will be seen in a better light for having been "transparent" or whatever.

Actually, Russia did it because Putin doesn't like Hillary, and it just happened to be a comically bad situation in that Trump was her biggest opponent. (Seriously, they would've been hacked either way, but the fact that Trump was her opponent just made it much worse)

[Great Franconia and Verana]

So the one with proof from the Federal Government is equally as questionable as the ramblings of a narcissistic asshole?
Sure.

Yeah. A previous government which never seems to be criticized for anything because they're "so perfect."

It's not like the TEMPORARY BAN on immigration from certain countries also happens to include countries THE OBAMA ADMINISTRATION said could be potentially dangerous.
Or that OBAMA banned predominately Muslim nations from immigrating into the US 6 times or anything.

Yeah, I think I am done debating you, if you cannot come up with a response without putting words in other peoples mouths.

[Rikesland Brinea]

Yeah. A previous government which never seems to be criticized for anything because they're "so perfect."

It's not like the TEMPORARY BAN on immigration from certain countries also happens to include countries THE OBAMA ADMINISTRATION said could be potentially dangerous.
Or that OBAMA banned predominately Muslim nations from immigrating into the US 6 times or anything.

Yeah, I think I am done debating you, if you cannot come up with a response without putting words in other peoples mouths.

Explain then, how I'm doing that? Because I haven't said nor implied that you've said anything.

[New haven america]

So the one with proof from the Federal Government is equally as questionable as the ramblings of a narcissistic asshole?
Sure.

Yeah. A previous government which never seems to be criticized for anything because they're "so perfect."

It's not like the TEMPORARY BAN on immigration from certain countries also happens to include countries THE OBAMA ADMINISTRATION said could be potentially dangerous.
Or that OBAMA banned predominately Muslim nations from immigrating into the US 6 times or anything.

No he didn't.

There was no time during Obama's administration that refugees, immigrants, or visitors were banned from entering the US based on their nationality.

That 6 month period you're talking about was just the government becoming stricter with who they let in (Due to various security reasons), but they at no point actually banned people based on their nationality or religion.

[Great Franconia and Verana]

Yeah, I think I am done debating you, if you cannot come up with a response without putting words in other peoples mouths.

Explain then, how I'm doing that? Because I haven't said nor implied that you've said anything.

You implied that I believe the Obama Administration was perfect, and then went on a tangent about that rather than reply to the topic at hand.

We are talking about Trump and the Russia hacking, not Obama.

[Rikesland Brinea]

Explain then, how I'm doing that? Because I haven't said nor implied that you've said anything.

You implied that I believe the Obama Administration was perfect, and then went on a tangent about that rather than reply to the topic at hand.

We are talking about Trump and the Russia hacking, not Obama.

I didn't imply you believed that, you took it like I did, however.

[Great Franconia and Verana]

You implied that I believe the Obama Administration was perfect, and then went on a tangent about that rather than reply to the topic at hand.

We are talking about Trump and the Russia hacking, not Obama.

I didn't imply you believed that, you took it like I did, however.

Whatever the case, you decided that instead of replying to the topic we were talking about, to shift over to the Obama administration, to deflect from the fact you could not reply to my statement on the equality of the Hacking and the vote rigging claims.

[New haven america]

I didn't imply you believed that, you took it like I did, however.

Whatever the case, you decided that instead of replying to the topic we were talking about, to shift over to the Obama administration, to deflect from the fact you could not reply to my statement on the equality of the Hacking and the vote rigging claims.

Even then, his information on the immigration/travel topic was incorrect.

[Gauthier]

Trumpologism is now an artform.

[Ifreann]

The two are equivalent.

They are not. One is "I said something that was not true." The other is "My wording might have confused you, but this is what I was trying to say."

Jefferson Beauregard Sessions III(I dare anyone to read that without a Southern twang) studied law at the University of Alabama. If the wording of his answer caused senators to believe that he had had no contact with Russia when, in fact, he had had contact with Russia, then given his juris doctor and four decades of experience, I think we can safely conclude that he knew full fucking well what he was doing.

[Jamzmania]

They are not. One is "I said something that was not true." The other is "My wording might have confused you, but this is what I was trying to say."

Jefferson Beauregard Sessions III(I dare anyone to read that without a Southern twang) studied law at the University of Alabama. If the wording of his answer caused senators to believe that he had had no contact with Russia when, in fact, he had had contact with Russia, then given his juris doctor and four decades of experience, I think we can safely conclude that he knew full fucking well what he was doing.

Everyone makes very minor mistakes from time to time.