Trump MAGAThread IV: Twixt Scylla & Some Bad Hombres

[Great Franconia and Verana]

So.. during his time as a governer Pence used his personal email account for state affairs... and did not stop doing that even after a hacking incident...

Wellwell. Hypocrite much ?

*Puts MAGA cap on*
There is a big difference! You see, Mike Pence is innocent of the crime of being Hillary Clinton.
Hillary Clinton was not so lucky.

[Great Nepal]

So.. during his time as a governer Pence used his personal email account for state affairs... and did not stop doing that even after a hacking incident...

Wellwell. Hypocrite much ?

I'm sure the republicans will bring to bear the full force of the congress by investigating Pence just as they investigated Hillary. It is a matter of national security afterall.

[AiliailiA]

it seems very clear to me that he said he had no contact with the Russians.

but he did.

now if it was just at the convention i would shrug it off. but he met with the ambassador in his office. it is certainly enough that he has to recuse himself, which he has done, and ought to be investigated to make sure it was innocent, which it very well may have been.

It seems reasonably clear to me, especially in hindsight, that he said he has no contact with the Russians concerning the campaign. And he has stuck by that. There doesn't seem to be any grounds for an official investigation, especially considering he supposedly met with many other ambassadors in his capacity as a senator, and the Russian ambassador would therefore seem to be just another one on the list.

The statement under oath was incorrect, and Sessions admits it.

There's no need for an "official investigation". Sessions can simply make a statement under oath, to any Senate committee or even right there on the floor, clarifying that he met with the Russian ambassador (thus correcting that mis-speak) but they did not discuss the Trump campaign (thus answering the question he was initially asked but apparently did not answer). That would fix it all up.

If he won't do that, instead only issuing public statements (which are not under oath), then the suspicion will always remain that he lied under oath, to get the AG job.

This should really be quite easy, for a man of good character, who accidentally ommitted a detail in testimony and now wants the record set straight. He should take the oath, correct his testimony ... or shut the fuck up, and start planning his retirement.

[Tananat]

Trump better watch out, he's made an enemy of Captain Picard.

[Vassenor]

Sound the damage control alarm.

[Frank Zipper]

Trump orders his steak well done! What more evidence do we need that he is a wrong'un?

[Washington Resistance Army]

It was completely Holder's fault that Arizona prosecutors refused to go after cartel gun runners while they were stocking up on preshuses. *nod*

badly run operations hardly qualify as corrupt scumbaggery. that ....wtf was it called? ...was a bad operation but nothing more.

Allowing thousands of firearms of all types to be sold to known criminal suppliers and then failing to do anything about it is a bit more than a badly run operation.

[Herskerstad]

badly run operations hardly qualify as corrupt scumbaggery. that ....wtf was it called? ...was a bad operation but nothing more.

Allowing thousands of firearms of all types to be sold to known criminal suppliers and then failing to do anything about it is a bit more than a badly run operation.

Obama going "DELET TIS NOW!" Did not much help the image either.

But really, Holder and his successor was probably the most partisan hacks we have seen in the DOJ for some time. Hopefully Trump will wage his war against the gangs and bring in some real change.

[Ifreann]

I'm already calling it. Paul Ryan will be president by this time next year.

why would pence be impeached?

And why would he name Paul Ryan as his VP?

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Sessions will rescue himself from all federal investigations of Russia. http://www.cnn.com/2017/03/02/politics/ ... index.html

Go after him for perjury anyway.

[Philjia]

This isn't super relevant or anything, it's just funny: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/201 ... ?CMP=fb_gu

[The Alma Mater]

I'm already calling it. Paul Ryan will be president by this time next year.

why would pence be impeached?

Why is impeachment needed ? Pence considers people who use their personal e-mailadress for state affairs to be incompetent, nay even criminally negligent bordering on treason.

So no doubt he will willingly step down after looking in the mirror.

[Gauthier]

At this point if someone composed a list of every single thing Trump and his troopies ranted at Hillary Clinton, Barack Obama or any Democrat about it'll give us a pretty good idea of what the country has to look forward to.

[Ifreann]

why would pence be impeached?

Why is impeachment needed ? Pence considers people who use their personal e-mailadress for state affairs to be incompetent, nay even criminally negligent bordering on treason.

So no doubt he will willingly step down after looking in the mirror.

What you fail to account for is the fact that Mike Pence is a vampire.

[Senkaku]

badly run operations hardly qualify as corrupt scumbaggery. that ....wtf was it called? ...was a bad operation but nothing more.

Allowing thousands of firearms of all types to be sold to known criminal suppliers and then failing to do anything about it is a bit more than a badly run operation.

I thought you didn't care who buys guns.

At this point if someone composed a list of every single thing Trump and his troopies ranted at Hillary Clinton, Barack Obama or any Democrat about it'll give us a pretty good idea of what the country has to look forward to.

People have pointed out the man's fascinating abilities for projection repeatedly, yes.

With any luck, Jeff Sessions' opinion on the matter will be irrelevant in the near future.

and if he is replaced by chris Christie we will be in an even worse position. he has vowed to oppose even medical marijuana

No, he'd be replaced by his deputy. No one is dumb enough to appoint Chris Christie to literally any position right now.

[Washington Resistance Army]

Allowing thousands of firearms of all types to be sold to known criminal suppliers and then failing to do anything about it is a bit more than a badly run operation.

I thought you didn't care who buys guns.

You thought wrong.

[The Holy Empire of the Spaghetti Monster]

why would pence be impeached?

Why is impeachment needed ? Pence considers people who use their personal e-mailadress for state affairs to be incompetent, nay even criminally negligent bordering on treason.

So no doubt he will willingly step down after looking in the mirror.

I needed that laugh today, thanks.

[Jamzmania]

It seems reasonably clear to me, especially in hindsight, that he said he has no contact with the Russians concerning the campaign. And he has stuck by that. There doesn't seem to be any grounds for an official investigation, especially considering he supposedly met with many other ambassadors in his capacity as a senator, and the Russian ambassador would therefore seem to be just another one on the list.

The statement under oath was incorrect, and Sessions admits it.

There's no need for an "official investigation". Sessions can simply make a statement under oath, to any Senate committee or even right there on the floor, clarifying that he met with the Russian ambassador (thus correcting that mis-speak) but they did not discuss the Trump campaign (thus answering the question he was initially asked but apparently did not answer). That would fix it all up.

If he won't do that, instead only issuing public statements (which are not under oath), then the suspicion will always remain that he lied under oath, to get the AG job.

This should really be quite easy, for a man of good character, who accidentally ommitted a detail in testimony and now wants the record set straight. He should take the oath, correct his testimony ... or shut the fuck up, and start planning his retirement.

Has he actually admitted that he told an untruth under oath? Or that his wording was not ideal but he meant what he has been saying he meant? If the former, I would like to see the statement where he made that admission.

Apparently now a Democratic senator has admitted that senators meeting with foreign ambassadors is a common occurrence, so there's even less grounds for any kind of investigation.

[St Salvador]

I wonder where all those Lock Her Up chanters are right now. Thats definitely something Trump can't use anymore.

[The Alma Mater]

Why is impeachment needed ? Pence considers people who use their personal e-mailadress for state affairs to be incompetent, nay even criminally negligent bordering on treason.

So no doubt he will willingly step down after looking in the mirror.

What you fail to account for is the fact that Mike Pence is a vampire.

Drat - I indeed forgot that

[Ifreann]

The statement under oath was incorrect, and Sessions admits it.

There's no need for an "official investigation". Sessions can simply make a statement under oath, to any Senate committee or even right there on the floor, clarifying that he met with the Russian ambassador (thus correcting that mis-speak) but they did not discuss the Trump campaign (thus answering the question he was initially asked but apparently did not answer). That would fix it all up.

If he won't do that, instead only issuing public statements (which are not under oath), then the suspicion will always remain that he lied under oath, to get the AG job.

This should really be quite easy, for a man of good character, who accidentally ommitted a detail in testimony and now wants the record set straight. He should take the oath, correct his testimony ... or shut the fuck up, and start planning his retirement.

Has he actually admitted that he told an untruth under oath? Or that his wording was not ideal but he meant what he has been saying he meant? If the former, I would like to see the statement where he made that admission.

The two are equivalent.

[Shofercia]

The tax returns could answer whether he's a clueless buffoon or a lying, schemining shit.

Considering all of the leaks, if there was anything that would make Trump look like a traitor in his tax returns, it would've been leaked by now. So I doubt that. What I think is that Trump found some clever loophole in the tax law, to avoid paying taxes, one that's also used by quite a few rich people. So if that was leaked, then Congress would have to close the loophole, and whomever leaked it would be dealing with a lot of pissed off rich people, including donors to the Democratic and Republican Parties, and his/her reputation would be destroyed beyond that moron who went on a twitter offensive against the widow. And then his/her company's reputation will be destroyed, family, friends, etc. When was the last time a major leak about taxes happened in the US? Democrats are too scared to piss off their own rich donors. C'est la vie Ellison. Oy vey, let's blame the Jews, as if Schumer's letter and that guy's lobbying did it...

On the other hand, if under the guise of playing of fear of Trump being a Russian agent, the Democrats can get his tax returns, then they can launch a fishing expedition, without bothering the other rich people donating to their party and find a way to gradually use that to take down Trump. Damn, the Democrats brought up Trump University a lot, didn't they? And then truth started coming about about Hillary doing something similar. Still waiting for that epic Trump University take down, but that would also mean that other for profit universities will go with it. By all means, take 'em down, I'm all for that. But that's not happening now, is it?

[Ifreann]

The tax returns could answer whether he's a clueless buffoon or a lying, schemining shit.

Considering all of the leaks, if there was anything that would make Trump look like a traitor in his tax returns, it would've been leaked by now.

By who? Who has access to Trump's tax returns? Trump himself, who obviously won't leak them. The IRS, likewise. Trump's favourite children? Trump's accountants?

I doubt he's leaving them lying around the White House where some cheeky civil servant could snap a few pics for twitter.

[Shofercia]

Considering all of the leaks, if there was anything that would make Trump look like a traitor in his tax returns, it would've been leaked by now.

By who? Who has access to Trump's tax returns? Trump himself, who obviously won't leak them. The IRS, likewise. Trump's favourite children? Trump's accountants?

I doubt he's leaving them lying around the White House where some cheeky civil servant could snap a few pics for twitter.

So you're saying that if the IRS thought that Trump might betray the US, they still wouldn't leak his tax returns? I doubt that. If, on the other hand, it was about his legal tax evasion, then the IRS would most definitely not leak it, because if they did, Republicans would simply cut their staff in half, in the best case scenario.

[Sanctissima]

Considering all of the leaks, if there was anything that would make Trump look like a traitor in his tax returns, it would've been leaked by now.

By who? Who has access to Trump's tax returns? Trump himself, who obviously won't leak them. The IRS, likewise. Trump's favourite children? Trump's accountants?

I doubt he's leaving them lying around the White House where some cheeky civil servant could snap a few pics for twitter.

Say what you want about the IRS, but they have a pretty good track record of not giving a fuck.

If there were anything illegal going on, they'd be on top of it. Nothing short of institution-wide blackmail has stopped them before.

[Cymrea]

By who? Who has access to Trump's tax returns? Trump himself, who obviously won't leak them. The IRS, likewise. Trump's favourite children? Trump's accountants?

I doubt he's leaving them lying around the White House where some cheeky civil servant could snap a few pics for twitter.

Say what you want about the IRS, but they have a pretty good track record of not giving a fuck.

If there were anything illegal going on, they'd be on top of it. Nothing short of institution-wide blackmail has stopped them before.

Sure, and while there may be nothing illegal about extensive financial ties to Russia for American entrepreneurs, it would certainly represent a dangerous conflict of interest in our president.