Trump MAGAThread IV: Twixt Scylla & Some Bad Hombres

[Tekeristan]

And the police all throughout the United States, too. Local area, federal, state.

The border has places for walls, yes, but it's the least effecient options in many places.
Want a good idea that will solve a lot of the problems, save money, start new economic fronts, hurt cartels, and improve the lives of millions?
End the war on drugs.

Bonus points for making a better immigration system.
Migrant workers, after all.

Sure but you can't end the war on drugs without having a domestic base ready to take over the demand. Otherwise, you merely rewarding the bandits and powering cartels to continue their trade elsewhere. This is the part of the equation you are missing.

Colorado seemed to have handled Marijuana quite well.
Also, government services, preferably services that help combat addiction and manage supplies - at least until business, shall we allow it, take over such a front. Hopefully a well-regulated front.

Powering the cartels to continue elsewhere? Where else? South America, where they're already based?
Smuggling is obviously still illegal, and you'll have essentially smashed their profit line with a sledgehammer, allowed their customers to seek help and a more appealing option without fear of facing years upon years in a disagreeable prison system. Just the amount saved on prisoners alone would be enough to give small reinforcement towards border security, despite the demand for such going down.

[Cymrea]

Didn't help the passengers of Iran Air 655.

It is their fault they got in the way of a missile test.

"The incident took place in Iranian airspace, over Iran's territorial waters in the Persian Gulf, and on the flight's usual flight path."

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

Didn't help the passengers of Iran Air 655.

It is their fault they got in the way of a missile test.

What?

That's not what happend at all.

The dude who was working radar that day kept his mouse ball on the jet that was about to take off and targeted the civvy air craft instead.

[The East Marches]

It didn't help Korean Air or Malayan Flights either. Yet we don't suddenly shut down our air defenses.

Not saying you do that, but putting up things that shoot down planes and saying that flight paths/plans would help is wrong.

Its not at all. You have to schedule your flights with the FAA for a reason. What happens if a big civilian liner deviates? They scramble fighters and what do those fighters do if they don't comply with orders? They shoot them down. Thats why we have them. Avengers would merely be a cheaper alternative to F-16s to keep them scattered across the border. If they choose to not listen to commands, they will suffer the consequences like any U.S. plane would currently.

[Mefpan]

That's no problem - you don't have to get every facet of life.

But as a freebie: One is a factual assessment comparing the strength of the nation of Mexico against the military superpower that is the United States of America. The other is spiteful, vindictive hoping for thousands of little PR disasters just to spite a president you disagree with after needlessly polarizing the political debate with increasingly crazy positions.

If Mexico is a pushover, why worry about miniscule troop casualties then?

It's not the hypothetical loss of hypothetical troops that I find objectionable, I find it worrisome that people on this forum actively hope that in such a hypothetical, the Mexican government would choose to stand against the Americans side-by-side with the cartels that they've been trying and failing to crush for many years just to spite a president they don't agree with.

[The East Marches]

Sure but you can't end the war on drugs without having a domestic base ready to take over the demand. Otherwise, you merely rewarding the bandits and powering cartels to continue their trade elsewhere. This is the part of the equation you are missing.

Colorado seemed to have handled Marijuana quite well.
Also, government services, preferably services that help combat addiction and manage supplies - at least until business, shall we allow it, take over such a front. Hopefully a well-regulated front.

Powering the cartels to continue elsewhere? Where else? South America, where they're already based?
Smuggling is obviously still illegal, and you'll have essentially smashed their profit line with a sledgehammer, allowed their customers to seek help and a more appealing option without fear of facing years upon years in a disagreeable prison system. Just the amount saved on prisoners alone would be enough to give small reinforcement towards border security, despite the demand for such going down.

Yes but what is the point of making smuggling illegal if there is no enforcement? I don't understand what your point is. I don't disagree with legalization or any of the other stuff.

[United States Kingdom]

Lol, someone is a little bit violent.

Wanting sectarianism to expose how bad making religion into a blank check for curtailing freedoms is is now being violent.

The first two sentences that Seangoli states basically suggests that every Christian supports it. A company also doesn't have to doesn't have to maintain important constitutional rights, such as freedom of speech(as exemplified by Twitter banning Milo). If they do not wish to serve people due to their religious beliefs, they shouldn't do it. As quoted from Milo/Ben Shapiro, who basically said "I would go somewhere else."

[Napkiraly]

It is their fault they got in the way of a missile test.

"The incident took place in Iranian airspace, over Iran's territorial waters in the Persian Gulf, and on the flight's usual flight path."

Missiles don't recognize borders. Maybe if they had better border control it wouldn't have happened. They could have put an end to the missile test. Weak borders cost lives.

[Ifreann]

And therefore Mexicans shouldn't resist an invading American army? Shouldn't defend their lives and property?

Yes.

Fascinating concept.

[Tekeristan]

Colorado seemed to have handled Marijuana quite well.
Also, government services, preferably services that help combat addiction and manage supplies - at least until business, shall we allow it, take over such a front. Hopefully a well-regulated front.

Powering the cartels to continue elsewhere? Where else? South America, where they're already based?
Smuggling is obviously still illegal, and you'll have essentially smashed their profit line with a sledgehammer, allowed their customers to seek help and a more appealing option without fear of facing years upon years in a disagreeable prison system. Just the amount saved on prisoners alone would be enough to give small reinforcement towards border security, despite the demand for such going down.

Yes but what is the point of making smuggling illegal if there is no enforcement? I don't understand what your point is. I don't disagree with legalization or any of the other stuff.

Because we already have enforcement. There'd be no reason to further enforce it with the actions listed above. Hell, you could probably lower the total amount of border enforcement.

[Cymrea]

"The incident took place in Iranian airspace, over Iran's territorial waters in the Persian Gulf, and on the flight's usual flight path."

Missiles don't recognize borders. Maybe if they had better border control it wouldn't have happened. They could have put an end to the missile test. Weak borders cost lives.

You're kidding, right?

[Valrifell]

Wanting sectarianism to expose how bad making religion into a blank check for curtailing freedoms is is now being violent.

The first two sentences that Seangoli states basically suggests that every Christian supports it. A company also doesn't have to doesn't have to maintain important constitutional rights, such as freedom of speech(as exemplified by Twitter banning Milo). If they do not wish to serve people due to their religious beliefs, they shouldn't do it. As quoted from Milo/Ben Shapiro, who basically said "I would go somewhere else."

Diffefence here being that are anti-discrimination laws that do affect business.

[The East Marches]

Yes but what is the point of making smuggling illegal if there is no enforcement? I don't understand what your point is. I don't disagree with legalization or any of the other stuff.

Because we already have enforcement. There'd be no reason to further enforce it with the actions listed above. Hell, you could probably lower the total amount of border enforcement.

>we already have enforcement

Not enough and its a patchwork. You can't stop everything from coming through but you can make exceptionally costly to do so.

[Lady Scylla]

If Mexico is a pushover, why worry about miniscule troop casualties then?

It's not the hypothetical loss of hypothetical troops that I find objectionable, I find it worrisome that people on this forum actively hope that in such a hypothetical, the Mexican government would choose to stand against the Americans side-by-side with the cartels that they've been trying and failing to crush for many years just to spite a president they don't agree with.

Then perhaps said President should seek a more peaceful compromise. You get what you play for. Cartels or not.

[United States Kingdom]

The first two sentences that Seangoli states basically suggests that every Christian supports it. A company also doesn't have to doesn't have to maintain important constitutional rights, such as freedom of speech(as exemplified by Twitter banning Milo). If they do not wish to serve people due to their religious beliefs, they shouldn't do it. As quoted from Milo/Ben Shapiro, who basically said "I would go somewhere else."

Diffefence here being that are anti-discrimination laws that do affect business.

I'm sorry. I'm not aware of what you mean? Please elaborate, because Ik there are anti-discrimination laws that affect how people do business.

[Tekeristan]

Because we already have enforcement. There'd be no reason to further enforce it with the actions listed above. Hell, you could probably lower the total amount of border enforcement.

>we already have enforcement

Not enough and its a patchwork. You can't stop everything from coming through but you can make exceptionally costly to do so.

By taking exceptionally costful actions ourselves?
There are cheaper alternatives. Walls have their sports (Urban), but drones and more personnel are a better option in terms of enforcing.

[Jochizyd Republic]

I almost can't put into words how infuriating it is that the Left has monopolized opposing Trump.

Like they do to every good cause to ruin it.

[The East Marches]

>we already have enforcement

Not enough and its a patchwork. You can't stop everything from coming through but you can make exceptionally costly to do so.

By taking exceptionally costful actions ourselves?
There are cheaper alternatives. Walls have their sports (Urban), but drones and more personnel are a better option in terms of enforcing.

I don't disagree again. See my posts for the thread. I like the Hesco bastion with digital surveillance. Make no doubt, this is a former of artificial subsidization of the drug industry in the states what I am proposing.

[Ifreann]

I almost can't put into words how infuriating it is that the Left has monopolized opposing Trump.

Like they do to every good cause to ruin it.

You just can't handle our swag.

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

Not saying you do that, but putting up things that shoot down planes and saying that flight paths/plans would help is wrong.

Its not at all. You have to schedule your flights with the FAA for a reason. What happens if a big civilian liner deviates? They scramble fighters and what do those fighters do if they don't comply with orders? They shoot them down. Thats why we have them. Avengers would merely be a cheaper alternative to F-16s to keep them scattered across the border. If they choose to not listen to commands, they will suffer the consequences like any U.S. plane would currently.

Yes but that's different then shooting a missile at the from the ground.

[Napkiraly]

Missiles don't recognize borders. Maybe if they had better border control it wouldn't have happened. They could have put an end to the missile test. Weak borders cost lives.

You're kidding, right?

If Iran had secured its borders with anti-missile systems those people would still be alive and it'd have been a missile test gone awry with no disaster. The Iranians are to fault for their weak stance on their borders and airspace. If anything they should be thanking us for making them realize the precarious situation they were in. Sacrifices sometimes have to be made.

[The East Marches]

Its not at all. You have to schedule your flights with the FAA for a reason. What happens if a big civilian liner deviates? They scramble fighters and what do those fighters do if they don't comply with orders? They shoot them down. Thats why we have them. Avengers would merely be a cheaper alternative to F-16s to keep them scattered across the border. If they choose to not listen to commands, they will suffer the consequences like any U.S. plane would currently.

Yes but that's different then shooting a missile at the from the ground.

Its the same shit. Its just shooting a fucking missile. It doesn't matter where it comes from.

[Tekeristan]

I almost can't put into words how infuriating it is that the Left has monopolized opposing Trump.

Like they do to every good cause to ruin it.

You just can't handle our swag.

Left or Right
Blue or Red
2 Party woooopp!

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

I almost can't put into words how infuriating it is that the Left has monopolized opposing Trump.

Like they do to every good cause to ruin it.

*says nothing but points at the republicans and libertarians also opposing trump*

[Lady Scylla]

I almost can't put into words how infuriating it is that the Left has monopolized opposing Trump.

Like they do to every good cause to ruin it.

*says nothing but points at the republicans and libertarians also opposing trump*

Centrists are ignored once again.