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Postby Neutraligon » Mon Feb 13, 2017 9:39 pm

Galloism wrote:
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was that actually a pardon or a reprieve.

Pardon.

Huh not sure how that works legally since there was no conviction, how do you pardon someone who is presumed innocent?
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Postby Farnhamia » Mon Feb 13, 2017 9:40 pm

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Galloism wrote:Pardon.

Huh not sure how that works legally since there was no conviction, how do you pardon someone who is presumed innocent?

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Postby St Salvador » Mon Feb 13, 2017 9:41 pm

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Postby Galloism » Mon Feb 13, 2017 9:43 pm

Neutraligon wrote:
Galloism wrote:Pardon.

Huh not sure how that works legally since there was no conviction, how do you pardon someone who is presumed innocent?

It was broad. He was pardoned for any offense he could have committed against the United States prior to the date of the pardon.
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Postby Krosny-Zdzieszowice » Mon Feb 13, 2017 9:43 pm

And it's in. Michael Flynn has resigned.
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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Mon Feb 13, 2017 9:48 pm

Krosny-Zdzieszowice wrote:And it's in. Michael Flynn has resigned.


Well, that was quick.
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Postby Neutraligon » Mon Feb 13, 2017 9:50 pm

Galloism wrote:
Neutraligon wrote:Huh not sure how that works legally since there was no conviction, how do you pardon someone who is presumed innocent?

It was broad. He was pardoned for any offense he could have committed against the United States prior to the date of the pardon.

I guess it was a conditional pardon in a way, where the condition was Nixon actually having committed a crime.
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Postby Krosny-Zdzieszowice » Mon Feb 13, 2017 9:54 pm

Soldati Senza Confini wrote:
Krosny-Zdzieszowice wrote:And it's in. Michael Flynn has resigned.


Well, that was quick.

So from what I know, he's resigned because he had a phone call with a Russian ambassador and failed to mention some details to Pence. Nice going, Flynn. Replacement is Lt. Gen. Kellogg.

At least we know who lobbying Kellogg.
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Postby Jovuistan » Mon Feb 13, 2017 9:56 pm

Krosny-Zdzieszowice wrote:
Soldati Senza Confini wrote:
Well, that was quick.

So from what I know, he's resigned because he had a phone call with a Russian ambassador and failed to mention some details to Pence. Nice going, Flynn. Replacement is Lt. Gen. Kellogg.

At least we know who lobbying Kellogg.

Kellogg is only the acting National Security Adviser, though.

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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Mon Feb 13, 2017 9:56 pm

Galloism wrote:
Neutraligon wrote:For a pardon to happen a conviction would need to take place. I would think a pardon for that type of crime would be pretty bad a PR move, especially since it will convince people Trump really is in the pockets of Russia.

What? No it doesn't.

Ford pardoned Nixon before Nixon had been convicted of any crime.

Edit: fuckin ninjas.


It also was one of the things that cost Ford his hopes for a successful election bid.

Many people at the time considered Ford's move a political powerplay and indication of corruption at the White House, as well as a destruction of his character. Some, even, speculated at the time that Nixon had let Ford be president in exchange of a Presidential Pardon.

I am not sure Trump would pull a pardon this time amid the scandal and repeat a Ford.
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Postby Great Franconia and Verana » Mon Feb 13, 2017 10:04 pm

Soldati Senza Confini wrote:
Galloism wrote:What? No it doesn't.

Ford pardoned Nixon before Nixon had been convicted of any crime.

Edit: fuckin ninjas.


It also was one of the things that cost Ford his hopes for a successful election bid.

Many people at the time considered Ford's move a political powerplay and indication of corruption at the White House, as well as a destruction of his character. Some, even, speculated at the time that Nixon had let Ford be president in exchange of a Presidential Pardon.

I am not sure Trump would pull a pardon this time amid the scandal and repeat a Ford.

I'm all fairness to Ford however, a drawn out trial of Nixon probably would have been pretty bad for his chances in 76 anyways.

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Postby Corrian » Mon Feb 13, 2017 10:06 pm

Oldenfranck wrote:who else is listening to rick santorum right now smear his chimpanzee excrements on CNN calling michael flynn "a good soldier" and a "patriot"?

So the Republican party themselves worship Putin now?
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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Mon Feb 13, 2017 10:09 pm

Great Franconia and Verana wrote:
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It also was one of the things that cost Ford his hopes for a successful election bid.

Many people at the time considered Ford's move a political powerplay and indication of corruption at the White House, as well as a destruction of his character. Some, even, speculated at the time that Nixon had let Ford be president in exchange of a Presidential Pardon.

I am not sure Trump would pull a pardon this time amid the scandal and repeat a Ford.

I'm all fairness to Ford however, a drawn out trial of Nixon probably would have been pretty bad for his chances in 76 anyways.


Oh definitely, I think Ford did what he thought was best at the time, and history has (somewhat) vindicated him several decades later.

I think he probably knew he was fucked either way.
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Postby Roskian Federation » Mon Feb 13, 2017 10:15 pm

Jovuistan wrote:
Krosny-Zdzieszowice wrote:So from what I know, he's resigned because he had a phone call with a Russian ambassador and failed to mention some details to Pence. Nice going, Flynn. Replacement is Lt. Gen. Kellogg.

At least we know who lobbying Kellogg.

Kellogg is only the acting National Security Adviser, though.

Great, we've got frosted flakes in the White House for a while.

We already had snowflakes, so that works i giess
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Postby The Serbian Empire » Mon Feb 13, 2017 10:16 pm

Corrian wrote:
Oldenfranck wrote:who else is listening to rick santorum right now smear his chimpanzee excrements on CNN calling michael flynn "a good soldier" and a "patriot"?

So the Republican party themselves worship Putin now?

Or at least the fringe candidates (Santorum would be one of those) are.
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Postby St Salvador » Mon Feb 13, 2017 10:25 pm

Corrian wrote:
Oldenfranck wrote:who else is listening to rick santorum right now smear his chimpanzee excrements on CNN calling michael flynn "a good soldier" and a "patriot"?

So the Republican party themselves worship Putin now?

Well the ones that say Trump can do no wrong.
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Postby The Black Forrest » Mon Feb 13, 2017 10:30 pm

Corrian wrote:
Oldenfranck wrote:who else is listening to rick santorum right now smear his chimpanzee excrements on CNN calling michael flynn "a good soldier" and a "patriot"?

So the Republican party themselves worship Putin now?


They call themselves red voters now.
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Postby Camicon » Mon Feb 13, 2017 10:33 pm

The Black Forrest wrote:
Corrian wrote:So the Republican party themselves worship Putin now?


They call themselves red voters now.

I've always been amused by that incongruity.
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Postby Oldenfranck » Mon Feb 13, 2017 10:34 pm

The RT comment section is throwing a hissyfit over Flynn's resigning.

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Postby Great Franconia and Verana » Mon Feb 13, 2017 11:44 pm

Corrian wrote:
Oldenfranck wrote:who else is listening to rick santorum right now smear his chimpanzee excrements on CNN calling michael flynn "a good soldier" and a "patriot"?

So the Republican party themselves worship Putin now?

Cue Ronald Reagan spinning in his grave.

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Postby Militant Costco » Mon Feb 13, 2017 11:47 pm

Camicon wrote:
The Black Forrest wrote:
They call themselves red voters now.

I've always been amused by that incongruity.

Cold War and 21st Century in a nutshell:

1991
USA: Haha, you lost liberal bastard!
USSR: Whatever you fascist capitalistic pigs!

2016
Russia: I want to preserve family values and corporations while also holding mega-amazing military parades and promoting the motherland!
USA: *waves LGBT flag* wot

Perhaps we beat Russia a little too hard in 1991.
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Postby Thermodolia » Tue Feb 14, 2017 12:10 am

Great Franconia and Verana wrote:
Corrian wrote:So the Republican party themselves worship Putin now?

Cue Ronald Reagan spinning in his grave.

We should really try to capitalize on that energy source
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Postby New haven america » Tue Feb 14, 2017 1:49 am

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Great Franconia and Verana wrote:Cue Ronald Reagan spinning in his grave.

We should really try to capitalize on that energy source

I think we could get rid of Fossil Fuels with the amount of energy that spinning could produce.
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Postby Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States » Tue Feb 14, 2017 2:38 am

Militant Costco wrote:
Camicon wrote:I've always been amused by that incongruity.

Cold War and 21st Century in a nutshell:

1991
USA: Haha, you lost liberal bastard!
USSR: Whatever you fascist capitalistic pigs!

2016
Russia: I want to preserve family values and corporations while also holding mega-amazing military parades and promoting the motherland!
USA: *waves LGBT flag* wot

Perhaps we beat Russia a little too hard in 1991.

Hahaha, no. The USSR was not liberal. Not in the classical sense, at least. And even in any other sense, the USSR was so dictatorial that they couldn't possibly be called 'liberal'. The US was liberal at the time, and still is: Rule of Law, civil freedoms, economic liberty... The US is a liberal state if ever I saw one.
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Postby Kucrea » Tue Feb 14, 2017 2:55 am

If nothing else, trump is providing great entertainment. I live in germany and check the news every morning, trump never fails to deliver. Always something crazy going on with this administration.

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