Trump MAGAThread IV: Twixt Scylla & Some Bad Hombres

[Camicon]

Everyone "[tries] to convert kids into their cause", religion is a prime example. I don't think it's inherently wrong to do so, and I'll wager that you don't either when it comes to certain other ideologies.

And there has been senseless violence for as long as we've been able to think. Overall, violence in the USA is trending downward, and has been for decades. Sandy Hook is not indicative of "low morality".

I'm not arguing if trying to convert kids is ethical or not. But did you get shot in the face by the priest with an AR-15 last time you went to church?

If you don't think school shootings, racial tensions, political divisions and mass protests are going up in the U.S. Well, I'd like to join you in living in the same rock you've been living under.

Whether or not the cause is a good one does not change whether or not "converting kids" is inherently wrong, as your previous post implied.

And I wasn't talking about school shootings specifically, I was talking about violence. Violence is trending downwards, this is a fact. Racial tensions, political polarization, and mass protests, are separate matters.

[Senkaku]

If it means more money goes to NASA, then it's worth it!

With Conway and Trump in power???

Welcome to the National Alternative Space Agency...

"We are going to build a Death Star and Nibiru is going to pay for it"

What the fuck is all this Bowling Green nonsense?

It's some serious Ministry of Truth shit. It is an utterly fabricated event with just the barest semblance of truth to it that people are going to latch onto - and use it to justify even more controls than we have. Never mind that there was no actual massacre to speak of, people are going to believe that shit. Not only that, but Conway's implication that the Media refused to cover it is all the explanation many will need to believe that the event actually did happen.

Conway has had some major slips lately, between this and alternative facts. Looks like being the target of everyone's fire is wearing her down, I wonder how much longer we'll have her for.

[Ebliania]

Conway brings up an alternative massacre in Bowling Green KY alternatively committed by Iraqi refugees.

did they hide the bodies under obama's golf course

[Seangoli]

Conway has had some major slips lately, between this and alternative facts. Looks like being the target of everyone's fire is wearing her down, I wonder how much longer we'll have her for.

You are assuming that Trump and his team actually care about the implications of this slip. At worst, it'll disappear due to his supporters being fervent worshipers who believe he can do no wrong. Or it could go brilliantly, and people actually believe it, and become more fervent in support for immigration bans and anti-refugee rhetoric.

His administration has shown a remarkable tolerance for this sort of crap already. I seen nothing that will change her employment.

[The Serbian Empire]

With Conway and Trump in power???

Welcome to the National Alternative Space Agency...

"We are going to build a Death Star and Nibiru is going to pay for it"

It's some serious Ministry of Truth shit. It is an utterly fabricated event with just the barest semblance of truth to it that people are going to latch onto - and use it to justify even more controls than we have. Never mind that there was no actual massacre to speak of, people are going to believe that shit. Not only that, but Conway's implication that the Media refused to cover it is all the explanation many will need to believe that the event actually did happen.

Conway has had some major slips lately, between this and alternative facts. Looks like being the target of everyone's fire is wearing her down, I wonder how much longer we'll have her for.

As long as we have Trump I fear. But how long will that be. I fear Pence may try to encourage impeachment proceedings if the approval ratings keep dropping.

[Lavochkin]

I'm not arguing if trying to convert kids is ethical or not. But did you get shot in the face by the priest with an AR-15 last time you went to church?

If you don't think school shootings, racial tensions, political divisions and mass protests are going up in the U.S. Well, I'd like to join you in living in the same rock you've been living under.

Whether or not the cause is a good one does not change whether or not "converting kids" is inherently wrong, as your previous post implied.

And I wasn't talking about school shootings specifically, I was talking about violence. Violence is trending downwards, this is a fact. Racial tensions, political polarization, and mass protests, are separate matters.

Please quote when I said converting kids is inherently wrong. If I ain't saying it, I ain't implying it.

Violence in terms of crime? Yeah I'd agree there, but you can't ignore the other half of the side.

With Conway and Trump in power???

Welcome to the National Alternative Space Agency...

"We are going to build a Death Star and Nibiru is going to pay for it"

It's some serious Ministry of Truth shit. It is an utterly fabricated event with just the barest semblance of truth to it that people are going to latch onto - and use it to justify even more controls than we have. Never mind that there was no actual massacre to speak of, people are going to believe that shit. Not only that, but Conway's implication that the Media refused to cover it is all the explanation many will need to believe that the event actually did happen.

Conway has had some major slips lately, between this and alternative facts. Looks like being the target of everyone's fire is wearing her down, I wonder how much longer we'll have her for.

"We're going to put a comprehensive ban on all unregistered and illegal aliens coming to Earth and it's going to be great"

"We're going to land on the dark side of the sun, it's gonna be the biggest and the greatest, I always win, did I tell you how rich I am? Well I'm very rich".

[Lavochkin]

"We are going to build a Death Star and Nibiru is going to pay for it"


Conway has had some major slips lately, between this and alternative facts. Looks like being the target of everyone's fire is wearing her down, I wonder how much longer we'll have her for.

As long as we have Trump I fear. But how long will that be. I fear Pence may try to encourage impeachment proceedings if the approval ratings keep dropping.

I fear Bannon will become our next chief military adviser. Trump is just stupid, but Bannon is scary and smart.

[Seangoli]

"We are going to build a Death Star and Nibiru is going to pay for it"


Conway has had some major slips lately, between this and alternative facts. Looks like being the target of everyone's fire is wearing her down, I wonder how much longer we'll have her for.

As long as we have Trump I fear. But how long will that be. I fear Pence may try to encourage impeachment proceedings if the approval ratings keep dropping.

For reference, Bush had a low of a 37% approval rating, and only hovered in the low 40's for the last few years of his Presidency. He started out at 60%, peaked at 90% following 9/11, and dropped from there.

Obama's approval ratings had a low of 40%, and actually climbed to 60% by his last term. He started his term at 60-65% Approval, dipped a bit towards the middle of Presidency (And had a second peak of 55% during the 2012 election), dipped again, and rose towards the end. Even FOX and Rasmussen put his approval rating at pretty stellar rates of 60%+ on their last polls of his presidency last month. He actually ended his presidency with about as strong approval as he started, even according to the right-leaning polling stations.

Trump has been... a bit more temultuous, but he's certainly starting lower. Even Rasmussen has him at a paltry 53% approval rating, which is about 10% lower than you should have as an incoming President according to historic trends. Hell, his average polling numbers are about 5-10% above the lowest polling numbers of either Bush's or Obama's entire Presidency. If he continues on the trends he has been going, it's very possible he break Bush's lowest approval rating of 37% within a month or two.

[Camicon]

Whether or not the cause is a good one does not change whether or not "converting kids" is inherently wrong, as your previous post implied.

And I wasn't talking about school shootings specifically, I was talking about violence. Violence is trending downwards, this is a fact. Racial tensions, political polarization, and mass protests, are separate matters.

Please quote when I said converting kids is inherently wrong. If I ain't saying it, I ain't implying it.

Violence in terms of crime? Yeah I'd agree there, but you can't ignore the other half of the side.

Yes, but kids are vulnerable and innocent. Things we consider evil like ISIS, the Nazi's or the Communists always tried to convert kids into their cause. But the fact now that we're just killing them, our own kind, without any purpose or cause or justification should be taken as how low our morality has dipped.

"Converting kids" is bad because "people like X" did so implies that the action itself is bad, and not that the one specific instance of it is bad because of the group doing the "converting".

And civil unrest is not the same thing as violence, even if they sometimes go hand-in-hand. Saying "violence is trending downwards" is does not ignore "the other half".

[Lavochkin]

Please quote when I said converting kids is inherently wrong. If I ain't saying it, I ain't implying it.

Violence in terms of crime? Yeah I'd agree there, but you can't ignore the other half of the side.

Yes, but kids are vulnerable and innocent. Things we consider evil like ISIS, the Nazi's or the Communists always tried to convert kids into their cause. But the fact now that we're just killing them, our own kind, without any purpose or cause or justification should be taken as how low our morality has dipped.

"Converting kids" is bad because "people like X" did so implies that the action itself is bad, and not that the one specific instance of it is bad because of the group doing the "converting".

And civil unrest is not the same thing as violence, even if they sometimes go hand-in-hand. Saying "violence is trending downwards" is does not ignore "the other half".

You can't imply something if I don't clearly say it. I said "Things we consider evil..." tried to convert kids, I never said converting kids was wrong, I just said that groups who we considered evil usually try converting kids (almost always). You're now just assuming, and we all know that "assuming makes you an ass" pun or whatever so I'll spare you that.

Violence is a general category, yes it's fine to say it's going down. But if you say violence is going down while the person behind is pushing over cars and beating up Trump supporters, it kinda makes you look an idiot, so yes, you would be ignoring the other half. "Criminal violence" is going down would be more correct

[Vassenor]

So it seems the media is trying to hide all evidence of Conway's fake massacre statements.

[Frenequesta]

So it seems the media is trying to hide all evidence of Conway's fake massacre statements.

That's an odd way to put it.

[Cattle Mutilators]

-snip-

So, just to be clear... does this EO make it legal to kill fundamentalists if you happen to believe that fundamentalism is a form of heresy, and that God commands that heretics be put to death?

[Vassenor]

So this is the EO in a nutshell.

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

Conway brings up an alternative massacre in Bowling Green KY alternatively committed by Iraqi refugees.

They are just making up shit now?

Man, what the fuck?

I mean really?

[Vassenor]

Conway brings up an alternative massacre in Bowling Green KY alternatively committed by Iraqi refugees.

They are just making up shit now?

Man, what the fuck?

I mean really?

They're not making things up. They're using alternative facts.

Get the terminology right.

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

-snip-

What the fuck

[Cattle Mutilators]

So conveniently there's no record of exactly what was in Trump's calls to Putin.

Fortunately, I have a partial transcript:

PUTIN: Is recording off?
TRUMP: Yes, Master!
PUTIN: Good! My first order, then: Bring me moose and squirrel!

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

They are just making up shit now?

Man, what the fuck?

I mean really?

They're not making things up. They're using alternative facts.

Get the terminology right.

Ah.

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[Cattle Mutilators]

Currency outflows from failures in trade which could be avoided if we have the edge in efficiency (which we do in farming), should be avoided. Losing money needlessly is retarded.

Why are you worrying about currency outflows? We don't have a gold-backed currency anymore. So what do you think our trading partners are going to do with those dollars we pay them?

Answer: Either loan them back to us (reducing interest rates), reinvest them in our country (increasing out productivity), spending them on our products, or converting them over to their own currency (which reduces the value of the dollar and thus makes our goods more competitive in the global market).

There's a whole separate branch of economics that studies trade and currency, and most people never bother to learn it. That's why most popular discussions of trade policy essentially boil down to ignorant bullshit.

[The Conez Imperium]

As long as we have Trump I fear. But how long will that be. I fear Pence may try to encourage impeachment proceedings if the approval ratings keep dropping.

I fear Bannon will become our next chief military adviser. Trump is just stupid, but Bannon is scary and smart.

I think he already has considering he has kicked out the Joint chiefs of Staff from that advisory council.

Bannon is the one to watch from my growing understanding.

[Great Franconia and Verana]

Honestly, of all the things I am laughing about now, Trump and his constant insecurity about his win and inauguration crowd size is probably the most hilarious.

I mean, he is on the phone with world leaders, and he is so compelled to talk about the size of his inauguration crowd? I wish I could have been in the room, just to see the look on Turnbull's face the entire time. Trump is just a toddler in a suit, with worse hair.

Gotta love how he has turned the GOP foreign policy basically on its head. Friendly with Russia, but ranting at Australia. The irony would be delicious if it wasn't so terrifying.

[Uxupox]

I fear Bannon will become our next chief military adviser. Trump is just stupid, but Bannon is scary and smart.

I think he already has considering he has kicked out the Joint chiefs of Staff from that advisory council.

Bannon is the one to watch from my growing understanding.

The JSC wasn't kicked. The position now only refers too on a need to know basis based upon their area of expertise.

[Seangoli]

Honestly, of all the things I am laughing about now, Trump and his constant insecurity about his win and inauguration crowd size is probably the most hilarious.

I mean, he is on the phone with world leaders, and he is so compelled to talk about the size of his inauguration crowd? I wish I could have been in the room, just to see the look on Turnbull's face the entire time. Trump is just a toddler in a suit, with worse hair.

Gotta love how he has turned the GOP foreign policy basically on its head. Friendly with Russia, but ranting at Australia. The irony would be delicious if it wasn't so terrifying. Nice work Republicans.

From what I've read, the conspiracy theory about the election being rigged is really losing traction with supporters and Congress. He's shooting himself politically in the foot over it among those who -somehow - are more ambivalent to him. Now that he's President, people want to see results and not see him talk, endlessly, about himself. Now, for someone who watched his entire campaign, I knew he was going to spend all the time talking about himself. But some people didn't.

As for Australia, he's gotten himself into a major pickle. Autralia is seriously one of our best allies and partners in the world, and nobody has every had a problem with it ever. We also have a deal to take in refugees from them. If he honors the deal, he loses trump points from his fervent supporters for caving in to Australia of all places. If he goes back on the deal, he rather pointlessly nukes our relationship with Australia, and one of our closest allies. He even (allegedly) said as much to the Australian President, as he said taking them would be a political disaster for him.

Less than two weeks in, and Trump is learning that doing what you want doesn't work amazingly on the world stage.

[Philjia]

Honestly, of all the things I am laughing about now, Trump and his constant insecurity about his win and inauguration crowd size is probably the most hilarious.

I mean, he is on the phone with world leaders, and he is so compelled to talk about the size of his inauguration crowd? I wish I could have been in the room, just to see the look on Turnbull's face the entire time. Trump is just a toddler in a suit, with worse hair.

Gotta love how he has turned the GOP foreign policy basically on its head. Friendly with Russia, but ranting at Australia. The irony would be delicious if it wasn't so terrifying. Nice work Republicans.

From what I've read, the conspiracy theory about the election being rigged is really losing traction with supporters and Congress. He's shooting himself politically in the foot over it among those who -somehow - are more ambivalent to him. Now that he's President, people want to see results and not see him talk, endlessly, about himself. Now, for someone who watched his entire campaign, I knew he was going to spend all the time talking about himself. But some people didn't.

As for Australia, he's gotten himself into a major pickle. Autralia is seriously one of our best allies and partners in the world, and nobody has every had a problem with it ever. We also have a deal to take in refugees from them. If he honors the deal, he loses trump points from his fervent supporters for caving in to Australia of all places. If he goes back on the deal, he rather pointlessly nukes our relationship with Australia, and one of our closest allies. He even (allegedly) said as much to the Australian President, as he said taking them would be a political disaster for him.

Less than two weeks in, and Trump is learning that doing what you want doesn't work amazingly on the world stage.

If he does decide to take on China, he may be upset to see how many people back China over him.