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Postby Farnhamia » Thu Feb 02, 2017 5:47 pm

Lady Scylla wrote:
Farnhamia wrote:My opinion? It's off topic.


But Farn, that's just a fascist-commie conspiracy to keep you from knowing the truth!

Scylla, I'm 17,265 years old. I not only know the truth, I invented it. Except for the part Arch did. *nod*

It's still off topic.
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Postby Lady Scylla » Thu Feb 02, 2017 5:47 pm

Farnhamia wrote:
Lady Scylla wrote:
But Farn, that's just a fascist-commie conspiracy to keep you from knowing the truth!

Scylla, I'm 17,265 years old. I not only know the truth, I invented it. Except for the part Arch did. *nod*

It's still off topic.


Happy Birthday! :hug:

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Postby Farnhamia » Thu Feb 02, 2017 5:50 pm

Lady Scylla wrote:
Farnhamia wrote:Scylla, I'm 17,265 years old. I not only know the truth, I invented it. Except for the part Arch did. *nod*

It's still off topic.


Happy Birthday! :hug:

It's in June but thanks!
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Postby The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp » Thu Feb 02, 2017 5:52 pm

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And again, a revolution would be the best thing.

Shit hole scumbag out of power +
US coalition troops alive +
ISIS doesn't get the vacuum it needs to exist +


Completely doubtful.


All of those things happened later after the US troops finally left.

No Iraq war, no ISIS.

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I really miss Obama.

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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Thu Feb 02, 2017 5:53 pm

The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:


All of those things happened later after the US troops finally left.

No Iraq war, no ISIS.


Until a revolution in Iraq starts during the Arab Spring and the entire country is thrown into chaos just like it's friends in Syria.
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Postby Italios » Thu Feb 02, 2017 5:54 pm

Lady Scylla wrote:First 5 Executive Order comparison between Obama and Trump


IIRC, Obama also signed a temporary executive order barring Iraqis from getting American visas, although that was mostly as a way to slow down the amount of requests they were getting for visas so they could concentrate on vetting Iraqis connected to terrorist attacks. However, it served a targeted purpose and was not nearly as extreme as Trump's, nor as ineffective.

It should also be noted that Trump signed an executive order temporary blocking regular citizens from obtaining government jobs. I know previous presidents have done this as well, but it's stupid and has negative long-term effects.
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Postby Lady Scylla » Thu Feb 02, 2017 5:54 pm

The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:


All of those things happened later after the US troops finally left.

No Iraq war, no ISIS.

Lady Scylla wrote:First 5 Executive Order comparison between Obama and Trump



I really miss Obama.


Didn't even like his politics and I would rather have him as President.

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Postby Uxupox » Thu Feb 02, 2017 5:55 pm

The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:


All of those things happened later after the US troops finally left.

No Iraq war, no ISIS.

Lady Scylla wrote:First 5 Executive Order comparison between Obama and Trump



I really miss Obama.


US troops never left Iraq.

Like I said before you will need to cull completely the Arab spring in order for ISIS to not exist (And it would have existed at some point in time anyway since they were a subsection of Al-Qaeda).
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Postby Lady Scylla » Thu Feb 02, 2017 5:56 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:
All of those things happened later after the US troops finally left.

No Iraq war, no ISIS.


Until a revolution in Iraq starts during the Arab Spring and the entire country is thrown into chaos just like it's friends in Syria.


The problem was putting Shiites in power. Bush was warned about that. Being oppressed by the Sunnis for so long, of course they'd do the same. Had they mediated a government between Kurds, Sunnis and Shiites, it may have gone a lot better.

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Postby Uxupox » Thu Feb 02, 2017 6:00 pm

Lady Scylla wrote:
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Until a revolution in Iraq starts during the Arab Spring and the entire country is thrown into chaos just like it's friends in Syria.


The problem was putting Shiites in power. Bush was warned about that. Being oppressed by the Sunnis for so long, of course they'd do the same. Had they mediated a government between Kurds, Sunnis and Shiites, it may have gone a lot better.


Bush didn't actually put the Shiites into power. They themselves did in the 2005 election's then everything rolled down from there.
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Postby Internationalist Bastard » Thu Feb 02, 2017 6:00 pm

Lady Scylla wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Until a revolution in Iraq starts during the Arab Spring and the entire country is thrown into chaos just like it's friends in Syria.


The problem was putting Shiites in power. Bush was warned about that. Being oppressed by the Sunnis for so long, of course they'd do the same. Had they mediated a government between Kurds, Sunnis and Shiites, it may have gone a lot better.

You'd think you wouldn't need to sit down and not make people kill each other over small differences, but here we are.
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Postby Farnhamia » Thu Feb 02, 2017 6:01 pm

Internationalist Bastard wrote:
Lady Scylla wrote:
The problem was putting Shiites in power. Bush was warned about that. Being oppressed by the Sunnis for so long, of course they'd do the same. Had they mediated a government between Kurds, Sunnis and Shiites, it may have gone a lot better.

You'd think you wouldn't need to sit down and not make people kill each other over small differences, but here we are.

When religion is involved, no differences are small.
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Postby Uxupox » Thu Feb 02, 2017 6:02 pm

Farnhamia wrote:
Internationalist Bastard wrote:You'd think you wouldn't need to sit down and not make people kill each other over small differences, but here we are.

When religion is involved, no differences are small.


In the case of the Kurdish it's more ethnic than religious.
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Postby Farnhamia » Thu Feb 02, 2017 6:03 pm

Uxupox wrote:
Farnhamia wrote:When religion is involved, no differences are small.


In the case of the Kurdish it's more ethnic than religious.

Yes, but the point at that particular moment was Sunni versus Shi'ite.
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Postby Lady Scylla » Thu Feb 02, 2017 6:04 pm

Uxupox wrote:
Farnhamia wrote:When religion is involved, no differences are small.


In the case of the Kurdish it's more ethnic than religious.


True. I still want a Kurdistan.

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Postby Novoserbistan » Thu Feb 02, 2017 6:05 pm

The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:


All of those things happened later after the US troops finally left.

No Iraq war, no ISIS.



How dare you say that?! It is well known that every single military involvement by the USA is completely justified and was done merely to ensure the bare survival of the American people and their government! If it had not been for the invasion of Iraq, the turrarists would have launched WMDs on all major American cities the very next week! Right now the US troops stationed in Iraq are the only thing that's preventing communists from raping little children in the middle of New York City!
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Postby Rio Cana » Thu Feb 02, 2017 6:05 pm

Latest News - More sanctions on Iran. So it seems there will be a restart of the US vs. Iran hostilities once again.

News article from two hours ago - http://www.reuters.com/article/us-iran- ... =worldNews
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Postby Uxupox » Thu Feb 02, 2017 6:05 pm

Lady Scylla wrote:
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In the case of the Kurdish it's more ethnic than religious.


True. I still want a Kurdistan.


A independent Kurdistan is not gonna happen with Turkey, Syria, Iraq and Iran around.
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Postby Galloism » Thu Feb 02, 2017 6:05 pm

Farnhamia wrote:
Internationalist Bastard wrote:You'd think you wouldn't need to sit down and not make people kill each other over small differences, but here we are.

When religion is involved, no differences are small.

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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Thu Feb 02, 2017 6:05 pm

Lady Scylla wrote:
Uxupox wrote:
In the case of the Kurdish it's more ethnic than religious.


True. I still want a Kurdistan.


Which would promptly get rekt by every major player in the region.

I don't think it's ever gonna happen.
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Postby Lady Scylla » Thu Feb 02, 2017 6:05 pm

Novoserbistan wrote:
The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:
All of those things happened later after the US troops finally left.

No Iraq war, no ISIS.



How dare you say that?! It is well known that every single military involvement by the USA is completely justified and was done merely to ensure the bare survival of the American people and their government! If it had not been for the invasion of Iraq, the turrarists would have launched WMDs on all major American cities the very next week! Right now the US troops stationed in Iraq are the only thing that's preventing communists from raping little children in the middle of New York City!


Hence why we need to invade Iran.

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Postby Lady Scylla » Thu Feb 02, 2017 6:06 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Lady Scylla wrote:
True. I still want a Kurdistan.


Which would promptly get rekt by every major player in the region.

I don't think it's ever gonna happen.


Iraq seemed a bit more open to the idea, and the Kurds are treating this war against IS as their independence. Turkey is the only one there that really seems irked by it. Well, and Syria. But SYria doesn't want to cede land.
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Postby Internationalist Bastard » Thu Feb 02, 2017 6:07 pm

Uxupox wrote:
Lady Scylla wrote:
True. I still want a Kurdistan.


A independent Kurdistan is not gonna happen with Turkey, Syria, Iraq and Iran around.

Honestly, why do we cling on to those borders?
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Thu Feb 02, 2017 6:08 pm

Lady Scylla wrote:
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Which would promptly get rekt by every major player in the region.

I don't think it's ever gonna happen.


Iraq seemed a bit more open to the idea, and the Kurds are treating this war against IS as their independence. Turkey is the only one there that really seems irked by it. Well, and Syria. But SYria doesn't want to cede land.


Iran as well, they've been opposed to the idea for quite a while.
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Postby Italios » Thu Feb 02, 2017 6:09 pm

Novoserbistan wrote:
The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:
All of those things happened later after the US troops finally left.

No Iraq war, no ISIS.



How dare you say that?! It is well known that every single military involvement by the USA is completely justified and was done merely to ensure the bare survival of the American people and their government! If it had not been for the invasion of Iraq, the turrarists would have launched WMDs on all major American cities the very next week! Right now the US troops stationed in Iraq are the only thing that's preventing communists from raping little children in the middle of New York City!

At a certain point, you have to wonder if "America First" starts to mean "anti everyone else" in some situations.
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