Trump MAGAThread IV: Twixt Scylla & Some Bad Hombres

[Valaran]

Quoting a man who effectively fabricated the Catilina Conspiracy of supposed 'traitors' to make himself look good rather diminishes your case, not enhances it... Cicero was a political fraud of Chaucerian proportions...

Without wanting to derail, but while Cicero had an outsized notion of his role in the conspiracy, he is not the only source for Catiline's actions. The most complete account of the Conspiracy comes from Sallust and it was hard for Cicerco to have have fabricated that account.

[New haven america]

Uh, his full name is Caesar Donaldus Johannas Trumpus.

God, such disrespect.

Trumpamus Maximus?

I thought that was going to be his first son's title...

[Hurdergaryp]

This is simply too goddamn stupid to be true, but on the other hand it is true that it fits the whole narrative.

[Napkiraly]

Legitimate prison sentences = fascism. Got it.

Peaceful demonstrations = treason. Got it.

Yes, you are learning, Gauth.

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

protesting a military conflict is most definitely not a crime.treason.

FTFY.

Where these people arrested as "traitors"?

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

Peaceful demonstrations = treason. Got it.

Yes, you are learning, Gauth.

Wha

[New haven america]

Peaceful demonstrations = treason. Got it.

Yes, you are learning, Gauth.

Nap, are you ok?

[Napkiraly]

FTFY.

Where these people arrested as "traitors"?

Unfortunately, they were not. The truncheons should have been brought out. Trying to sabotage the war effort before the war even began.

[Valaran]

I think Napi's point only matters in the context of total war. The nature of limited wars (so, most current engagements), however allows most civilian activity to continue unimpeded. In turn, this would allow for peaceful protests without active damage to the war effort, though this would not be the case for a WWII level event.

[Hurdergaryp]

Peaceful demonstrations = treason. Got it.

Yes, you are learning, Gauth.

And this is why the police should be equipped with surplus main battle tanks, infantry fighting vehicles and flamethrowers.

[Napkiraly]

Yes, you are learning, Gauth.

And this is why the police should be equipped with surplus main battle tanks, infantry fighting vehicles and flamethrowers.

Not for all police forces no. Not every city is like Chicago or Baltimore.

[Gauthier]

I think Napi's point only matters in the context of total war. The nature of limited wars (so, most current engagements), however allows most civilian activity to continue unimpeded. In turn, this would allow for peaceful protests without active damage to the war effort, though this would not be the case for a WWII level event.

There were protests during WW2. Roosevelt didn't crack down on them.

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

Where these people arrested as "traitors"?

Unfortunately, they were not. The truncheons should have been brought out. Trying to sabotage the war effort before the war even began.

You do know that the Iraq war was a massive fuck up that created ISIS right?

[Napkiraly]

I think Napi's point only matters in the context of total war. The nature of limited wars (so, most current engagements), however allows most civilian activity to continue unimpeded. In turn, this would allow for peaceful protests without active damage to the war effort, though this would not be the case for a WWII level event.

There were protests during WW2. Roosevelt didn't crack down on them.

He should have. Put patriotic Americans in internment camps simply because their grandparents were from Japan. A fair number proved themselves in the war effort. But he allowed peaceniks to roam free. Disgusting.

[Gauthier]

Unfortunately, they were not. The truncheons should have been brought out. Trying to sabotage the war effort before the war even began.

You do know that the Iraq war was a massive fuck up that created ISIS right?

No, Obama founded ISIS. *nod*

[Napkiraly]

Unfortunately, they were not. The truncheons should have been brought out. Trying to sabotage the war effort before the war even began.

You do know that the Iraq war was a massive fuck up that created ISIS right?

Yes it was. Poorly carried out. Stood by as law and order collapsed until it was too late. Tried keeping the Sunni and Shia areas pretty centralized together. Mistakes were made.

[Paddy O Fernature]

You do know that the Iraq war was a massive fuck up that created ISIS right?

No, Obama founded ISIS. *nod*

Source? Cause I'm pretty fucking sure your the only... person here making that claim, as usual Gauth.

[Valaran]

I think Napi's point only matters in the context of total war. The nature of limited wars (so, most current engagements), however allows most civilian activity to continue unimpeded. In turn, this would allow for peaceful protests without active damage to the war effort, though this would not be the case for a WWII level event.

There were protests during WW2. Roosevelt didn't crack down on them.

Of course, FDR also conducted a massive propaganda effort during this war, one that is still felt today. This minimised the effect those protests had. If the protests had been large enough to damage the war effort, believe me, they would have been cracked down upon.

Moreover, FDR made a decision, but this does not make it a right or wrong decision - your point is an observation, not a counter. I could easily observe that Stalin would likely have crushed such protests, but it doesn't make it right decision.

[Napkiraly]

You do know that the Iraq war was a massive fuck up that created ISIS right?

No, Obama founded ISIS. *nod*

No, he didn't.

ISIS isn't even that effective. The VA is more dangerous.

[Hurdergaryp]

Where these people arrested as "traitors"?

Unfortunately, they were not. The truncheons should have been brought out. Trying to sabotage the war effort before the war even began.

Being opposed to Kriegsbereitheit is not only unpatriotic, it probably also makes you a race traitor.

[Napkiraly]

Unfortunately, they were not. The truncheons should have been brought out. Trying to sabotage the war effort before the war even began.

Being opposed to Kriegsbereitheit is not only unpatriotic, it probably also makes you a race traitor.

Good thing I don't care about race.

[Paddy O Fernature]

No, Obama founded ISIS. *nod*

No, he didn't.

ISIS isn't even that effective. The VA is more dangerous.

I'll give you taps for that one Napkiraly, for a laughed.

[Valaran]

Unfortunately, they were not. The truncheons should have been brought out. Trying to sabotage the war effort before the war even began.

You do know that the Iraq war was a massive fuck up that created ISIS right?

Yes, but IS was also militarily defeated until Obama withdrew. It only gained power in the Syria chaos and the context of US withdrawal and subsequent Iraqi divisions. The context of its actual creation is not as important as the context that allowed it gain to power.

[The East Marches]

No, Obama founded ISIS. *nod*

No, he didn't.

ISIS isn't even that effective. The VA is more dangerous.

This is a true fact unfortunately tbh

[Gauthier]

No, Obama founded ISIS. *nod*

Source? Cause I'm pretty fucking sure your the only... person here making that claim, as usual Gauth.

Source