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Postby Crockerland » Fri Jan 27, 2017 9:42 am

Olivaero wrote:
Crockerland wrote:I don't understand why anyone liked him at all or how anyone could think his presidency was scandal-free, he was closely associated with quite a few racists and terrorist groups.

I't should be blatantly obvious why people liked him. He was a moderate if not at the start of his presidency certainly by his second term, he had a respect for facts and openness in government that Trump doesn't seem to have. Oh and of course climate change, one of the biggest existential threats to our species long term survival, he believed it existed and worked towards decreasing emissions of CO2

He was nothing close to a moderate, he was the most radically regressive president we've had in years, far surpassing any previous democratic president. Obama was a new low for the democratic party.
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Postby Olivaero » Fri Jan 27, 2017 9:45 am

Crockerland wrote:
Olivaero wrote:I't should be blatantly obvious why people liked him. He was a moderate if not at the start of his presidency certainly by his second term, he had a respect for facts and openness in government that Trump doesn't seem to have. Oh and of course climate change, one of the biggest existential threats to our species long term survival, he believed it existed and worked towards decreasing emissions of CO2

He was nothing close to a moderate, he was the most radically regressive president we've had in years, far surpassing any previous democratic president. Obama was a new low for the democratic party.

You actually made me laugh out loud, congratulations.
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Postby Liriena » Fri Jan 27, 2017 9:48 am

Crockerland wrote:
Olivaero wrote:I't should be blatantly obvious why people liked him. He was a moderate if not at the start of his presidency certainly by his second term, he had a respect for facts and openness in government that Trump doesn't seem to have. Oh and of course climate change, one of the biggest existential threats to our species long term survival, he believed it existed and worked towards decreasing emissions of CO2

He was nothing close to a moderate, he was the most radically regressive president we've had in years, far surpassing any previous democratic president. Obama was a new low for the democratic party.

Wild exaggerations are fun. :lol:
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Postby IceBuddha » Fri Jan 27, 2017 9:48 am

That list is a scandal. ~15% unemployment through his whole presidency? You fucking kidding me or what?

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Postby Liriena » Fri Jan 27, 2017 9:49 am

IceBuddha wrote:That list is a scandal. ~15% unemployment through his whole presidency? You fucking kidding me or what?

It's not even good copypasta. OP should be ashamed.
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Postby Raoganya » Fri Jan 27, 2017 9:50 am

Olivaero wrote:
Crockerland wrote:He was nothing close to a moderate, he was the most radically regressive president we've had in years, far surpassing any previous democratic president. Obama was a new low for the democratic party.

You actually made me laugh out loud, congratulations.


He's right you know.

It is easy to see through observation of the changes in the political sphere that the democratic party has shifted drastically left under his leadership. Just look at the difference between his presidency and, say, Bill Clintons. The tone is amazingly different.
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Postby Crockerland » Fri Jan 27, 2017 9:50 am

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Crockerland wrote:Oh, you didn't read the OP?

You should go back and do that then.

"Black Lives Matter is a terrorist group." Because demanding police treat blacks like human beings instead of zombies that need to be put down is the same as bombing and shooting up civilians in public places.

Well, you're correct, black lives matter is a terrorist group, but it's far from the only terrorist group Obama associated himself with during his presidency; Others include radical antisemitic groups like CAIR, general Islamic militant groups like The Martyrs of the February the 17th Revolution Brigade, and nationalist terrorists like Fuerzas Armadas de Liberación Nacional.
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Postby Arkolon » Fri Jan 27, 2017 9:50 am

Wait I think I found my favourite one

Adopted a longstanding Socialist political slogan, “Forward!”, as his 2012 campaign motto.


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Postby IceBuddha » Fri Jan 27, 2017 9:51 am

Liriena wrote:
IceBuddha wrote:That list is a scandal. ~15% unemployment through his whole presidency? You fucking kidding me or what?

It's not even good copypasta. OP should be ashamed.

It really just reads like a list of every Republican talking point over the last 8 years, not a list of scandals.

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Postby Olivaero » Fri Jan 27, 2017 9:55 am

Raoganya wrote:
Olivaero wrote:You actually made me laugh out loud, congratulations.


He's right you know.

It is easy to see through observation of the changes in the political sphere that the democratic party has shifted drastically left under his leadership. Just look at the difference between his presidency and, say, Bill Clinton. The tone is amazingly different.

Obama being radical is a republican lie that has stuck. He grew your economy, he furthered international consensus on climate change and he stood up to the Russians on Crimea without provoking war. Those are great things.
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Postby Raoganya » Fri Jan 27, 2017 9:56 am

Arkolon wrote:Wait I think I found my favourite one

Adopted a longstanding Socialist political slogan, “Forward!”, as his 2012 campaign motto.


:lol:


That's... actually a thing. A really weird thing honestly. Look it up.

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Postby Olivaero » Fri Jan 27, 2017 9:57 am

Crockerland wrote:
Gauthier wrote:"Black Lives Matter is a terrorist group." Because demanding police treat blacks like human beings instead of zombies that need to be put down is the same as bombing and shooting up civilians in public places.

Well, you're correct, black lives matter is a terrorist group, but it's far from the only terrorist group Obama associated himself with during his presidency; Others include radical antisemitic groups like CAIR, general Islamic militant groups like The Martyrs of the February the 17th Revolution Brigade, and nationalist terrorists like Fuerzas Armadas de Liberación Nacional.

Obama's such a Islamist he had Osama bin Laden shot during his second term.
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Postby Crockerland » Fri Jan 27, 2017 9:58 am

Olivaero wrote:
Raoganya wrote:
He's right you know.

It is easy to see through observation of the changes in the political sphere that the democratic party has shifted drastically left under his leadership. Just look at the difference between his presidency and, say, Bill Clinton. The tone is amazingly different.

Obama being radical is a republican lie that has stuck. He grew your economy, he furthered international consensus on climate change and he stood up to the Russians on Crimea without provoking war. Those are great things.

"Joseph Kony is a great man and an anarcho-capitalist hero, he has greatly reduced the unemployment rate among Ugandan children and teenagers and should be applauded for his actions."

Focusing on some of the few good aspects of the most radically regressive president in the history of the democratic party doesn't make his awful presidency any better.
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Postby IceBuddha » Fri Jan 27, 2017 10:00 am

Read through it again.

It seems like you're missing the "born in Kenya" scandal, the "Antichrist" scandal, and the "death panel" scandal. I suggest that you update your list.

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Postby Olivaero » Fri Jan 27, 2017 10:01 am

Crockerland wrote:
Olivaero wrote:Obama being radical is a republican lie that has stuck. He grew your economy, he furthered international consensus on climate change and he stood up to the Russians on Crimea without provoking war. Those are great things.

"Joseph Kony is a great man and an anarcho-capitalist hero, he has greatly reduced the unemployment rate among Ugandan children and teenagers and should be applauded for his actions."

Way to focus on some of the few good aspects of the most radically regressive president in the history of the democratic party.

And by what method are we measuring regression here?
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Postby Arkolon » Fri Jan 27, 2017 10:02 am

Raoganya wrote:
Arkolon wrote:Wait I think I found my favourite one



:lol:


That's... actually a thing. A really weird thing honestly. Look it up.

I heard Stalin was a leader of a powerful country as well, and he was a human too. It's true, Obama had so many striking similarities with communism...
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Postby Olivaero » Fri Jan 27, 2017 10:03 am

Arkolon wrote:
Raoganya wrote:
That's... actually a thing. A really weird thing honestly. Look it up.

I heard Stalin was a leader of a powerful country as well, and he was a human too. It's true, Obama had so many striking similarities with communism...

Stalin is Obama's Kenyan grandfather confirmed.
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Postby Raoganya » Fri Jan 27, 2017 10:06 am

IceBuddha wrote:Read through it again.

It seems like you're missing the "born in Kenya" scandal, the "Antichrist" scandal, and the "death panel" scandal. I suggest that you update your list.

The first two I don't give much regard to honestly, especially the latter which was pretty much fear mongering on the highest level. But the one thing I regret I did leave out are the many veterans dying waiting for treatment was missed. Glad that was pointed out.
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Postby Cannot think of a name » Fri Jan 27, 2017 10:14 am

Olivaero wrote:
Crockerland wrote:"Joseph Kony is a great man and an anarcho-capitalist hero, he has greatly reduced the unemployment rate among Ugandan children and teenagers and should be applauded for his actions."

Way to focus on some of the few good aspects of the most radically regressive president in the history of the democratic party.

And by what method are we measuring regression here?

The method where if he says it often enough it will be 'true'.
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Postby Ifreann » Fri Jan 27, 2017 10:35 am

IceBuddha wrote:
Liriena wrote:It's not even good copypasta. OP should be ashamed.

It really just reads like a list of every Republican talking point over the last 8 years, not a list of scandals.

From Googling I seems to have been written in 2012, so not even the last 8 years.


Raoganya wrote:
Arkolon wrote:Wait I think I found my favourite one



:lol:


That's... actually a thing. A really weird thing honestly. Look it up.

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Postby Mavorpen » Fri Jan 27, 2017 10:42 am

Genivaria wrote:
Raoganya wrote:The Myth of Obama's scandal free presidency
And it's implications for American democracy

A composit list of the most influential, but not all, scandals and overreaches during his presidency. [box][spoiler]• $6 trillion in new national debt under Obama…after he promised to decrease the deficit.

• Obamacare

Yeah I stopped reading here.
Policies you have a hate-on for are not 'scandals'.

I like the part where the OP doesn't know the difference between deficit and debt.
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Postby Galloism » Fri Jan 27, 2017 10:53 am

Alvecia wrote:My thoughts are "Who the fuck thinks Obama's presidency was scandal free?"

I was going to say - I haven't heard a single person say this. Not even once.
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Postby Ifreann » Fri Jan 27, 2017 10:55 am

Galloism wrote:
Alvecia wrote:My thoughts are "Who the fuck thinks Obama's presidency was scandal free?"

I was going to say - I haven't heard a single person say this. Not even once.

Well obviously you can't see the OP's imaginary friends.

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Postby Mavorpen » Fri Jan 27, 2017 10:57 am

Galloism wrote:
Alvecia wrote:My thoughts are "Who the fuck thinks Obama's presidency was scandal free?"

I was going to say - I haven't heard a single person say this. Not even once.

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Postby Bogdanov Vishniac » Fri Jan 27, 2017 10:59 am

Raoganya wrote:
Olivaero wrote:You actually made me laugh out loud, congratulations.


He's right you know.

It is easy to see through observation of the changes in the political sphere that the democratic party has shifted drastically left under his leadership. Just look at the difference between his presidency and, say, Bill Clintons. The tone is amazingly different.


Of course there was an important thing between the Clinton presidency and the Obama presidency. You may have heard of it, but it's pretty obscure by now - political scientists and historians call it the 'Bush presidency'. Yes I know, I was shocked when I heard about it too! But apparently a lot of things happened in it to change the nature of the Democratic party. Who knew!
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