Crowd of tourists and locals laugh at drowning refugee

[The Rich Port]

And then we get two dead people. How would that help?

This drowning raises a point. The point that Europe is awakening. The point that Europe has had enough. Call me a National Socialist asshole if you wish. But this is how I stand on the issue. And there is nothing that will change this.

Awakening to what? Drowning refugees is the way to solve it's problems? Also, nobody was wondering if you were a National Socialist asshole.

What a ridiculously stupid statement.

[Novus America]

And then we get two dead people. How would that help?

How would someone die from being in cold water for less than 5 minutes? Even if the hypothetical rescuer caught pneumonia from the cold, modern medicine would save him/her. Italy is a first-world nation and I'm sure they have more than adequate medical care if anything were to happen to them.

See the sources, falling into water that temperature can kill you within seconds by shock.
You are simply wrong.

Moreover how are you going to move that much deadweight, and pull him through and out of the water yourself? How would they get them out of the water?
Cleary the water quickly killed the person in it, and could kill another person. Clearly Italian medicine did not miraculously save the guy who drowned.

Why do you think someone else jumping in would do any better? Generally if someone else would die, you could likely too.

Jumping in would have been dangerous and stupid unless you are a trained rescue swimmer with proper equipment.

[Altaiire]

And then we get two dead people. How would that help?

How would someone die from being in cold water for less than 5 minutes? Even if the hypothetical rescuer caught pneumonia from the cold, modern medicine would save him/her. Italy is a first-world nation and I'm sure they have more than adequate medical care if anything were to happen to them.

People who are drowning do not act rationally. Survival instinct kicks in and a drowning person is going to grab anything they can get their hands on for buoyancy, which includes another person. Trying to help a drowning person is very dangerous even if the water wasn't already dangerously cold. You can easily end up being drowned yourself by the person you're trying to save. This is why lifeguards need to be trained for this kind of stuff, after all, and why they always bring rescue tubes with them. All moral considerations aside, the average untrained person should not attempt to help a drowning person by getting into the water themselves. Leave it to professionals.

[Blernovo]

Then you are part of what's wrong with Europe.

Whatever. Like I said. Nothing is changing my point of view

Then why bother posting?

[Arcanda]

On January 22nd 2017, a 22 year-old African refugee from Gambia drowned in the Grand Canal in Venice while people were watching. Not only were they watching, they teased him and shouted racist insults at him. Someone even shouted "Let him die!". The case is now being investigated by a Italian magistrate.

https://au.news.yahoo.com/a/34282748/af ... nts/#page1

This man should have been rescued, checked for any harm he could have suffered from his long stay in the water, and then deported. The fact that immigration must be stopped because of the social and economic strains associated with it in Europe doesn't mean people should forgo human decency.

[Ekdesh]

How would someone die from being in cold water for less than 5 minutes? Even if the hypothetical rescuer caught pneumonia from the cold, modern medicine would save him/her. Italy is a first-world nation and I'm sure they have more than adequate medical care if anything were to happen to them.

See the sources, falling into water that temperature can kill you within seconds by shock.
You are simply wrong.

Moreover how are you going to move that much deadweight, and pull him through and out of the water yourself? How would they get them out of the water?
Cleary the water quickly killed the person in it, and could kill another person. Clearly Italian medicine did not miraculously save the guy who drowned.

Why do you think someone else jumping in would do any better? Generally if someone else would die, you could likely too.

Jumping in would have been dangerous and stupid unless you are a trained rescue swimmer with proper equipment.

Hypothermia sets in about 15 minutes in freezing water, so that debunks "dying in seconds".

[Thermodolia]

He had a binary duet of options, sink or swim. Guess he'll be residing Davy Jones' Locker as barnacle food instead of government financed housing.

In this case it's lose consciousness and sink. The water is super cold

[Thermodolia]

That's pretty damn cold.

That... That's not cold at all!

In water, 9°C is fucking cold.

[Altaiire]

See the sources, falling into water that temperature can kill you within seconds by shock.
You are simply wrong.

Moreover how are you going to move that much deadweight, and pull him through and out of the water yourself? How would they get them out of the water?
Cleary the water quickly killed the person in it, and could kill another person. Clearly Italian medicine did not miraculously save the guy who drowned.

Why do you think someone else jumping in would do any better? Generally if someone else would die, you could likely too.

Jumping in would have been dangerous and stupid unless you are a trained rescue swimmer with proper equipment.

Hypothermia sets in about 15 minutes in freezing water, so that debunks "dying in seconds".

It has nothing to do with hypothermia, as hypothermia is only one of a myriad of ways cold water can kill you. I advise that you read Rich Port's and Novus America's sources in more detail.

In fairness, it won't "kill" you in seconds, unless you have some sort of heart condition, etc. that causes heart failure or something. It can, however, "drown" you in seconds due to cold shock response. Being rapidly exposed to cold water causes a reflex where the body immediately gasps for air. If this happens while you're submerged in water, well, your lungs fill with water and you drown. And that's only the first of many, for example, your muscles will become fatigued much, much faster than hypothermia sets in, so without a flotation device of some sort you will be unable to swim, let alone rescue another drowning individual.

[Novus America]

See the sources, falling into water that temperature can kill you within seconds by shock.
You are simply wrong.

Moreover how are you going to move that much deadweight, and pull him through and out of the water yourself? How would they get them out of the water?
Cleary the water quickly killed the person in it, and could kill another person. Clearly Italian medicine did not miraculously save the guy who drowned.

Why do you think someone else jumping in would do any better? Generally if someone else would die, you could likely too.

Jumping in would have been dangerous and stupid unless you are a trained rescue swimmer with proper equipment.

Hypothermia sets in about 15 minutes in freezing water, so that debunks "dying in seconds".

Read. The. Sources.
http://www.coldwatersafety.org/nccwsRules3.html#tabs-1
http://www.nationalfisherman.com/blogs/ ... so-quickly
http://www.today.com/health/after-cold- ... aks-t98276

Hypothermia is not the only or most immediate danger of cold water. It is not the only way cold water kills.

Moreover you likely will not be able to lift another person out of the water, and if they are panicking may easily drown you.
Even in warm water it is difficult.

[Thermodolia]

Can you swim in ice-cold water especially if you've never had to swim in your life?

T'was this Gambian vagabond's independent prerogative to take the frigid plunge. While the onlookers' responses may have been marginally "crass" (but one less invader of 181,000+ honestly who can really chastise them), they aren't accountable for his stupidity.

The only people who where assholes where the tourists. The locals attempted to help the man by throwing him life rafts and rope

[Thermodolia]

I hate to be the one to say it, but the assholes weren't obligated to help.

Swim safety is very clear.

http://www.webmd.com/first-aid/drowning-treatment

Step 1 is to see if you can get help.

There is no evidence that the assholes impeded the rescue service either.

You would think that at least one person would jump in to try and get them out, water temperature nonwithstanding

And what? Kill themselves?

[The Rich Port]

You would think that at least one person would jump in to try and get them out, water temperature nonwithstanding

And what? Kill themselves?

Especially considering the man was attempting suicide.

He would have tried to resist people saving him.

[Thermodolia]

And then we get two dead people. How would that help?

How would someone die from being in cold water for less than 5 minutes? Even if the hypothetical rescuer caught pneumonia from the cold, modern medicine would save him/her. Italy is a first-world nation and I'm sure they have more than adequate medical care if anything were to happen to them.

You have no idea how cold water actually is. Anything below 40°F is deadly dangerous, like you'll die in less than a minute dangerous.

[Thermodolia]

And what? Kill themselves?

Especially considering the man was attempting suicide.

He would have tried to resist people saving him.

Thus ending up with more dead. Unfortunately someone died.

[Southerly Gentleman]

skeptical about the veracity of this story, but it's a bit mean if true.

[Thermodolia]

skeptical about the veracity of this story, but it's a bit mean if true.

OP should really change the title. Only a few people laughed at the drowning man. Everyone attempted to rescue said man. Those that laughed where asshole tourists

[Crimoriak]

Our world is full of sick, twisted people.

[The Saint James Islands]

Our world is full of sick, twisted people.

It has been noted here already, but only a few people laughed at the drowning man. Locals were attempting to help by throwing life rings.

That being said, the people who stood there laughing are assholes.

[Frank Zipper]

skeptical about the veracity of this story, but it's a bit mean if true.

People shout "jump" at potential suicides on tall buildings. We ain't nice folks.

[Altaiire]

The reason why 50°F / 10 °C water is so dangerous is that water has a high thermal conductivity than air (about 24 times greater), which means that you will lose body heat to the surrounding water much faster than you will in air. Hypothermia is when body temperature drops below 35°C. Normal human body temperature is around 37°C / 98.6 °F. When your body is transitioning from 37°C to 10°C (keep in mind hypothermia sets in when your body temperature goes down by only 2 °C!) in an environment where heat is transferred out of your body much faster than air, hypothermia is going to set in very rapidly. Not the most eloquent way to describe this, but hopefully it helps for some people.

As for thermal shock, the human body experiences hot and cold based on thermal conductivity, not on its actual temperature. If you were to touch, say, a piece of paper at 50°F and a piece of iron at 50°F, the piece of iron is going to feel much colder even though both are at the same temperature. This is why rapidly submerging your entire body in cold water has such a profound neurological affect that it triggers cold shock response.

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

And then we get two dead people. How would that help?

This drowning raises a point. The point that Europe is awakening. The point that Europe has had enough. Call me a National Socialist asshole if you wish. But this is how I stand on the issue. And there is nothing that will change this.

Awakening what?

There lack of human emotion?

[Hardened Pyrokinetics]

That... That's not cold at all!

Is this sarcasm?

10 C/ 50 F is dangerous.
Anything below 70 F is.
http://www.coldwatersafety.org/nccwsRules3.html#tabs-1
http://www.nationalfisherman.com/blogs/ ... so-quickly
http://www.today.com/health/after-cold- ... aks-t98276

Feh, I've swam in colder.

[Nocturnalis]

This drowning raises a point. The point that Europe is awakening. The point that Europe has had enough. Call me a National Socialist asshole if you wish. But this is how I stand on the issue. And there is nothing that will change this.

Awakening what?

There lack of human emotion?

Anger is a human emotion.

[The Saint James Islands]

There lack of human emotion?

You probably mean to say “empathy”, but pretty much. Also, it should be “their”, but whatever.

Feh, I've swam in colder.

Just because you’ve swam in colder doesn’t negate the fact that 10°C water can kill you. Cold shock is a legitimate danger at those kinds of temperatures and incapacitation (which will lead to drowning) and hypothermia are serious threats even if you manage to survive the initial shock.