I hate cars. Ban them!

[Vesser]

lolwut

Lolwut, apparently you can't read past the first line.

I'm aware that our current mode of living means we cannot in one fell swoop eliminate all motor vehicles. We need transport so those of us in urban centres don't starve to death, and so on. But I do not believe we need anything near the amount of vehicles that are currently on the road, and not nearly enough is being done to shift us away from vehicular dependency.

Then for more information, for those of you who are apparently too lazy and need things spoon fed to you:

viewtopic.php?p=1635926#p1635926
viewtopic.php?p=1635942#p1635942
viewtopic.php?p=1636145#p1636145
viewtopic.php?p=1636205#p1636205
viewtopic.php?p=1636300#p1636300
viewtopic.php?p=1636528#p1636528
viewtopic.php?p=1636542#p1636542
viewtopic.php?p=1636564#p1636564

Here are just a handful of my subsequent posts, all of which (you'll note) discuss ways of creating less dependence on personal vehicles.

But if you, and the other people who keep popping in this thread with no intention of actually discussing anything, want to keep pretending this thread is all about a ban on cars, full stop, then feel free to be absolutely, unequivocally, proveably wrong.

So you immediately shout

"BAN CARS. I THINK THEY SHOULD BE BANNED OUTRIGHT."

Then you shout

"WAIT DON'T BAN THEM, JUST MOVE AWAY FROM THEM."

Sounds like a schizophrenic who saw that he posted something so radically inefficient, it would make the world's most humorless man cry from laughter, so you immediately tried to make yourself look like an environmentalist.

Also, I've been putting arguments forth for the past, what, three pages? Don't attack me for 'not reading' when you jump to conclusions faster then I do, and without any clause to begin with.

[Natapoc]

In the OP, Neesk suggests that cars (I'm speaking very generally here) ought to be banned because automobile fatalities are the leading cause of accidental death. If being the leading cause of accidental death is a reason to ban something, then she would be obligated to advocate banning anything that happened to be the leading cause of accidental death. I know that sounds silly, but if that's her reason for wanting to ban cars a consistent application of that principle could lead to, say, banning stairs if falling down them should happen to become the leading cause of accidental death. So yes, it is a slippery slope. Sorry.

This is almost Jocabian in how far from the truth it is. Motorvehicular deaths are only a portion of the reason I want to see a metric fuckload less cars on the road, right now.

There is little point in compromise Neesika. If you were to say you just wanted to reduce the number of cars by 1% they would not be happy until you accepted increasing the number of cars by 120% and even then they would accuse you of wanting an all out ban.

So why appease the opposition at all? Full out ban now!

[New Ziedrich]

Sounds like a recipe for only the rich to have cars. Why do you hate poor people?

Na, I'd regulate that shit up the pooper and paint those bastards such ugly colours that not even rich people would want to use them as status symbols.

The Pride of Socialism.

People waited in line for twelve years or more just to get one of those. I don't think you can make cars sufficiently awful to make people not want to buy them.

Such cars only exist on a relative basis. Would I want a Trabant instead of a BMW? No thanks. Would I want a Trabant instead of a bicycle? Hell yeah!

My sister thinks Trabants are cute.

[UnhealthyTruthseeker]

This species that could be great has failed to meet my standards. What a waste. Let the whole world burn. I don't even care about humanity anymore.

[Sibirsky]

I begrudgingly agree, we should be limiting the amount of cars on the road as much as possible. Be that by creating car-free city centres, or encouraging mass transit, though I am not for a ban, since rural folk like my grandparents wouldn't be able to get around.
As for the pollution cars should be made more environmentally sustainable, that is for sure, in my opinion hydrogen and electric cars are the way of the future, bio-fuel being a cost and overall poor alternative, that is not even entirely clean.
Also flying cars will solve everything

Flying cars? No. The energy required to lift the vehicle off the ground is extremely wasteful. Flying cars are not a logical solution.

And the time savings? Of course, your time is free. Mine isn't.

[Neesika]

So you immediately shout

"BAN CARS. I THINK THEY SHOULD BE BANNED OUTRIGHT."

Then you shout

"WAIT DON'T BAN THEM, JUST MOVE AWAY FROM THEM."

Sounds like a schizophrenic who saw that he posted something so radically inefficient, it would make the world's most humorless man cry from laughter, so you immediately tried to make yourself look like an environmentalist.

Right. Best to assume that. I guess when you're used to talking with idiots, you start assuming everyone is one. What a sad, sad set of expectations you have.

Also, I've been putting arguments forth for the past, what, three pages? Don't attack me for 'not reading' when you jump to conclusions faster then I do, and without any clause to begin with.

The only reason I saw your most recent post was because I was finished catching up to a post Melkor made a few pages back. Don't flatter yourself. I haven't gotten around to ignoring you yet.

[New Ziedrich]

In the OP, Neesk suggests that cars (I'm speaking very generally here) ought to be banned because automobile fatalities are the leading cause of accidental death. If being the leading cause of accidental death is a reason to ban something, then she would be obligated to advocate banning anything that happened to be the leading cause of accidental death. I know that sounds silly, but if that's her reason for wanting to ban cars a consistent application of that principle could lead to, say, banning stairs if falling down them should happen to become the leading cause of accidental death. So yes, it is a slippery slope. Sorry.

This is almost Jocabian in how far from the truth it is. Motorvehicular deaths are only a portion of the reason I want to see a metric fuckload less cars on the road, right now.

There is little point in compromise Neesika. If you were to say you just wanted to reduce the number of cars by 1% they would not be happy until you accepted increasing the number of cars by 120% and even then they would accuse you of wanting an all out ban.

So why appease the opposition at all? Full out ban now!

You know full well that an immediate, full ban will be met with bitter resistance. Of course, it would be impossible to enact in the first place, since virtually nobody would support such a thing.

[Natapoc]

This species that could be great has failed to meet my standards. What a waste. Let the whole world burn. I don't even care about humanity anymore.

Why? Because they insist on holding on to a 100 year old piece of equipment which far to much of their lives are dependent on? Cars are the religion of the modern era.

[Vesser]

This species that could be great has failed to meet my standards. What a waste. Let the whole world burn. I don't even care about humanity anymore.

Why? Because they insist on holding on to a 100 year old piece of equipment which far to much of their lives are dependent on? Cars are the religion of the modern era.

You do realize trains are nearly 300 years old, right?

Let's get rid of these 100-year-old pieces of sh*t, and replace it with a 300-year-old masterpiece!

[UnhealthyTruthseeker]

Why? Because they insist on holding on to a 100 year old piece of equipment which far to much of their lives are dependent on? Cars are the religion of the modern era.

No, because they fail to meet my standards. They don't really deserve to exist anymore, not when most of them have completely thrown away all of their potential.

[Mad hatters in jeans]

This species that could be great has failed to meet my standards. What a waste. Let the whole world burn. I don't even care about humanity anymore.

Why? Because they insist on holding on to a 100 year old piece of equipment which far to much of their lives are dependent on? Cars are the religion of the modern era.

that would be a great lyric for a song....just saying...
*scuttles away*

[New Ziedrich]

This species that could be great has failed to meet my standards. What a waste. Let the whole world burn. I don't even care about humanity anymore.

Hey, you're still alive, aren't you? You've got a message, I'm sure. Why not compile your beliefs into a manifesto of sorts and disseminate it to disillusioned teenagers and young adults? Attract a few followers, and go from there...

[Natapoc]

Why? Because they insist on holding on to a 100 year old piece of equipment which far to much of their lives are dependent on? Cars are the religion of the modern era.

No, because they fail to meet my standards. They don't really deserve to exist anymore, not when most of them have completely thrown away all of their potential.

wow who are you? God? Who are you that you can set standards which humans must meet in order to deserve to exist?

How have they thrown away all of their potential anyway?

[UnhealthyTruthseeker]

wow who are you? God? Who are you that you can set standards which humans must meet in order to deserve to exist?

How have they thrown away all of their potential anyway?

Because they fail to use the one thing that they have. Elephants have strength, birds can fly, gazelles have speed and agility.

Humans lack these things. They have the power to know and understand, and the power to create. They squander these abilities so much that, if anything can be called a sin, it is the degree to which such potential is wasted.

They could understand. Instead they embrace ignorance, superstition, and irrationality. They could create. Instead, most of them chose to destroy. They destroy their minds and the world. Destruction is easy. Fucking waste.

[UnhealthyTruthseeker]

Hey, you're still alive, aren't you? You've got a message, I'm sure. Why not compile your beliefs into a manifesto of sorts and disseminate it to disillusioned teenagers and young adults? Attract a few followers, and go from there...

Why would I want yet another religion? We already have too many of those.

[The Grox Empire]

Remove this thread before the Grox annialate you...

[Natapoc]

wow who are you? God? Who are you that you can set standards which humans must meet in order to deserve to exist?

How have they thrown away all of their potential anyway?

Because they fail to use the one thing that they have. Elephants have strength, birds can fly, gazelles have speed and agility.

Humans lack these things. They have the power to know and understand, and the power to create. They squander these abilities so much that, if anything can be called a sin, it is the degree to which such potential is wasted.

They could understand. Instead they embrace ignorance, superstition, and irrationality. They could create. Instead, most of them chose to destroy. They destroy their minds and the world. Destruction is easy. Fucking waste.

People have been destroying things and embracing ignorance, superstition, and irrationality for as long as they have been around. Typically humans like to hypocritically accuse each other of such.

So which side here do you feel is embracing ignorance, superstition, and irrationally and which side do you feel is being rational? Why?

[Gift-of-god]

Why would I want yet another religion? We already have too many of those.

Do you have an opinion on cars?

[Natapoc]

Why would I want yet another religion? We already have too many of those.

Do you have an opinion on cars?

Indeed. Which side are you on! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5iAIM02kv0g

[UnhealthyTruthseeker]

People have been destroying things and embracing ignorance, superstition, and irrationality for as long as they have been around. Typically humans like to hypocritically accuse each other of such.

So which side here do you feel is embracing ignorance, superstition, and irrationally and which side do you feel is being rational? Why?

I'm not talking about this thread in particular. I just mean that humans have earned my seal of not caring about them anymore.

I don't care about humanity. It can do all the stupid self-destructive stuff it wants for all I care. Make urban sprawl worse. Let some other idealist that hasn't been jaded beyond all hope try to change the world. I give up.

[Natapoc]

People have been destroying things and embracing ignorance, superstition, and irrationality for as long as they have been around. Typically humans like to hypocritically accuse each other of such.

So which side here do you feel is embracing ignorance, superstition, and irrationally and which side do you feel is being rational? Why?

I'm not talking about this thread in particular. I just mean that humans have earned my seal of not caring about them anymore.

I don't care about humanity. It can do all the stupid self-destructive stuff it wants for all I care. Make urban sprawl worse. Let some other idealist that hasn't been jaded beyond all hope try to change the world. I give up.

Sounds like you are anti car then (urban sprawl being a result of car culture) Welcome to the side of progress! Don't be jaded.

[New Ziedrich]

Hey, you're still alive, aren't you? You've got a message, I'm sure. Why not compile your beliefs into a manifesto of sorts and disseminate it to disillusioned teenagers and young adults? Attract a few followers, and go from there...

Why would I want yet another religion? We already have too many of those.

No, not religion. Something else entirely, like a political ideology or movement; sorry, it's a bit difficult for me to put it into words.

You're disgusted by the world, and how Humanity's near-limitless potential is squandered. So am I, and many others are as well. I figure, why not do something about it? Even if it's difficult, and the rampant idiocy makes it seem futile, why not reach out to like-minded people?

Gotta start somewhere, in my opinion. Can't give in to hoplessness and apathy, otherwise no progress is made.

[Vesser]

People have been destroying things and embracing ignorance, superstition, and irrationality for as long as they have been around. Typically humans like to hypocritically accuse each other of such.

So which side here do you feel is embracing ignorance, superstition, and irrationally and which side do you feel is being rational? Why?

I'm not talking about this thread in particular. I just mean that humans have earned my seal of not caring about them anymore.

I don't care about humanity. It can do all the stupid self-destructive stuff it wants for all I care. Make urban sprawl worse. Let some other idealist that hasn't been jaded beyond all hope try to change the world. I give up.

Sounds like you are anti car then (urban sprawl being a result of car culture) Welcome to the side of progress! Don't be jaded.

So progress = going backwards now?

[UnhealthyTruthseeker]

Sounds like you are anti car then (urban sprawl being a result of car culture) Welcome to the side of progress! Don't be jaded.

I don't really care anymore. I have a car. I use a car. The lack of viable public transit in this area means that I must use a car. Why shouldn't I be jaded as fuck?

[Flameswroth]

People have been destroying things and embracing ignorance, superstition, and irrationality for as long as they have been around. Typically humans like to hypocritically accuse each other of such.

So which side here do you feel is embracing ignorance, superstition, and irrationally and which side do you feel is being rational? Why?

I'm not talking about this thread in particular. I just mean that humans have earned my seal of not caring about them anymore.

I don't care about humanity. It can do all the stupid self-destructive stuff it wants for all I care. Make urban sprawl worse. Let some other idealist that hasn't been jaded beyond all hope try to change the world. I give up.

Sounds like you are anti car then (urban sprawl being a result of car culture) Welcome to the side of progress! Don't be jaded.

Nonsense! Positions of abject apathy default to the status quo, not the change. Clearly he's not anti- OR pro-car, but in not caring and doing nothing about it he is lending aid to the pro-car choice by keeping things how they are.

Not that it's terribly valuable for us to have then angsty, 'too cool to care' teen on our team but hey, whatever right