I hate cars. Ban them!

[Blouman Empire]

What about riding say 25 miles? We may have to get back, as well so we can make it 50 miles.

What about riding 250 miles? How long would that take?

Many people don't have the time to do everything they want rding takes even more of this away.

If your concern is that you don't have time to do the things you want, then move somewhere where you don't have to spend so much time commuting between different locations. Like within walking or biking distance of work, or school, or your children's school as the case may be.

Yep, we can all afford to up and move and we can easily find different jobs our families can all do the same so we can all be closer to each other.

Or we could get everything we need to move closer to us, including all the sporting grounds, everyone we need to se everything else that we want in order to live.

[Muravyets]

So I grew up in a non privileged family. My parents could not afford a car and they rode their bikes. They would ride miles every day with my sister and I (we were under 5) in a little wheel thing that straps to the back of a bicycle.

My mother worked 2 jobs while going to college. My father worked full time.

People should stop pretending that riding a bicycle is so difficult and stop pretending that this is somehow bad for the poor or elderly. The poor ALREADY go without a car.

Many of the elderly have lost their licenses because they are physically unable to drive.

Getting rid of car culture while increasing public transportation options would be a net benefit to both the poor and to the elderly.

What about riding say 25 miles? We may have to get back, as well so we can make it 50 miles.

What about riding 250 miles? How long would that take?

Many people don't have the time to do everything they want rding takes even more of this away.

By doing things that dismantle the car culture, it would be less necessary to travel such a distance in the first place! When it comes to the exhaust, I guess a person could develop the hybrid and fuel cell technology further, but it would have to make some sort of audible noise equivalent to diesel or traditional car engines for pedestrian (especially VI pedestrian) safety.

Stick playing cards in the wheel spokes for that nice flippety sound. Hell, they put junk in natural gas to make it smell so people would know if there's a leak -- I'm sure they can come up with something.

[Mad hatters in jeans]

who gives a crap, most of us like cars and the rest of ya can go cry about it somewhere else...

Yesterday, I read this McClatchy News article about spreading low-oxygen "dead zones" in the world's oceans -- http://news.yahoo.com/s/mcclatchy/20100 ... hy/3444187 -- and I immediately thought of all those head-up-their-asses dipshits who bitch about how "climate change" is a "liberal/leftist conspiracy", and I got so fucking angry I actually started to feel physically sick. I'm feeling that way again now.

get better soon please.

[Korintar]

So I grew up in a non privileged family. My parents could not afford a car and they rode their bikes. They would ride miles every day with my sister and I (we were under 5) in a little wheel thing that straps to the back of a bicycle.

My mother worked 2 jobs while going to college. My father worked full time.

People should stop pretending that riding a bicycle is so difficult and stop pretending that this is somehow bad for the poor or elderly. The poor ALREADY go without a car.

Many of the elderly have lost their licenses because they are physically unable to drive.

Getting rid of car culture while increasing public transportation options would be a net benefit to both the poor and to the elderly.

What about riding say 25 miles? We may have to get back, as well so we can make it 50 miles.

What about riding 250 miles? How long would that take?

Many people don't have the time to do everything they want rding takes even more of this away.

By doing things that dismantle the car culture, it would be less necessary to travel such a distance in the first place! When it comes to the exhaust, I guess a person could develop the hybrid and fuel cell technology further, but it would have to make some sort of audible noise equivalent to diesel or traditional car engines for pedestrian (especially VI pedestrian) safety.

Stick playing cards in the wheel spokes for that nice flippety sound. Hell, they put junk in natural gas to make it smell so people would know if there's a leak -- I'm sure they can come up with something.

They are working on how to get hybrid and electric cars to roar like their gas guzzling cousins.

[Blob-land]

who gives a crap, most of us like cars and the rest of ya can go cry about it somewhere else...

Yesterday, I read this McClatchy News article about spreading low-oxygen "dead zones" in the world's oceans -- http://news.yahoo.com/s/mcclatchy/20100 ... hy/3444187 -- and I immediately thought of all those head-up-their-asses dipshits who bitch about how "climate change" is a "liberal/leftist conspiracy", and I got so fucking angry I actually started to feel physically sick. I'm feeling that way again now.

get better soon please.

^ this

[Natapoc]

This is yet another very sad fact about car culture: It can render whole areas of people dependent on cars as a result of the physical disabilities associated with being so out of shape that one cannot move ones own body.

I blame car culture for UnhealthyTruthseeker's town being physically handicap.

You don't think osteoporosis and other problems caused by being over 60 has anything to do with it? Seriously?

Osteoporosis and other problems of old age are not actually caused by being over 60. They are caused by degeneration of bone, cartilege, stiffening of muscle tissue, etc. While it is true that such conditions tend to worsen naturally over time (as with all degenerative conditions), they are made far worse far faster by lack of physical activity. The human body is definitely a use it or lose it proposition, and if you keep moving, you will lose less mobility.

Sadly, you can't really move much in a car.

Exactly. And don't think your brain is not dependent on the healthy functioning of your body too. Machines to make things more easy are great and I welcome them. But we must be intelligent and not use them to our physical and mental detriment.

[Gift-of-god]

Yep, we can all afford to up and move and we can easily find different jobs our families can all do the same so we can all be closer to each other.

Or we could get everything we need to move closer to us, including all the sporting grounds, everyone we need to se everything else that we want in order to live.

If you want to go to such extremes, feel free.

But I would suggest, again, merely moving somewhere where you don't have to commute for so long every day.

[UnhealthyTruthseeker]

Exactly. And don't think your brain is not dependent on the healthy functioning of your body too. Machines to make things more easy are great and I welcome them. But we must be intelligent and not use them to our physical and mental detriment.

Or, better yet, realize that the human body is an obsolete machine. None of it's physical tasks can keep up with our creations now. The body needs to be improved.

[Neesika]

I don't speed..much

Seriously going the limit does only take about 40 minutes to travel the distance the bus does take an extra 10 minutes. I don't know why maybe it can't go as fast as the limit, the acceleration is obviously slower apart form that I don't know why.

Even if it takes 5 whole minutes to accelerate to the speed limit, I don't see how the bus could be taking 10 extra minutes unless the car is speeding. If there is some issue with physics here that I am missing, please enlighten me?

[Natapoc]

Exactly. And don't think your brain is not dependent on the healthy functioning of your body too. Machines to make things more easy are great and I welcome them. But we must be intelligent and not use them to our physical and mental detriment.

Or, better yet, realize that the human body is an obsolete machine. None of it's physical tasks can keep up with our creations now. The body needs to be improved.

Unfortunately this is where you enter the realm of science fiction. There is no science that indicates we can get rid of our bodies any time soon.

obsolete implies there is something to replace it...

[Neesika]

Exactly. And don't think your brain is not dependent on the healthy functioning of your body too. Machines to make things more easy are great and I welcome them. But we must be intelligent and not use them to our physical and mental detriment.

Or, better yet, realize that the human body is an obsolete machine. None of it's physical tasks can keep up with our creations now. The body needs to be improved.

Okay, this might warrant it's own thread, do you mind?

[Tekania]

I don't speed..much

Seriously going the limit does only take about 40 minutes to travel the distance the bus does take an extra 10 minutes. I don't know why maybe it can't go as fast as the limit, the acceleration is obviously slower apart form that I don't know why.

Even if it takes 5 whole minutes to accelerate to the speed limit, I don't see how the bus could be taking 10 extra minutes unless the car is speeding. If there is some issue with physics here that I am missing, please enlighten me?

Acceleration and deceleration are slower on the part of the larger more massive object... Add multiple stops in between for the massive object and it'll extend travel time significantly...

[UnhealthyTruthseeker]

Unfortunately this is where you enter the realm of science fiction. There is no science that indicates we can get rid of our bodies any time soon.

obsolete implies there is something to replace it...

Ray Kurzweil, one of the few guys that's actually made somewhat reliable predictions about the future, disagrees heavily. However, he's got plenty of stuff out there that you can read on your own if you're interested.

[UnhealthyTruthseeker]

Okay, this might warrant it's own thread, do you mind?

Go ahead.

[Neesika]

Acceleration and deceleration are slower on the part of the larger more massive object... Add multiple stops in between for the massive object and it'll extend travel time significantly...

No, we're (I believed) discussing a bus that doesn't take stops, compared to a car that doesn't take stops. And I don't actually believe that it takes 5 minutes for a bus to accelerate to the speed limit...I was being ridiculously generous.

Does not compute.

[Neesika]

Okay, this might warrant it's own thread, do you mind?

Go ahead.

No I mean, please stop derailing the thread. It's actually managed to stay on topic for 40 pages; I'd like to keep it that way.

[Muravyets]

They are working on how to get hybrid and electric cars to roar like their gas guzzling cousins.

For real? Well, as soon as they perfect that, I'll download that typewriter sounds app for my Mac. tickytickytickytickytickytickyDING!

[Blouman Empire]

Yep, we can all afford to up and move and we can easily find different jobs our families can all do the same so we can all be closer to each other.

Or we could get everything we need to move closer to us, including all the sporting grounds, everyone we need to se everything else that we want in order to live.

If you want to go to such extremes, feel free.

But I would suggest, again, merely moving somewhere where you don't have to commute for so long every day.

Indeed as I say that could take money that not everyone has.

And while moving away from there there will be days where you will have to commute a similar distance anyway.

[Muravyets]

who gives a crap, most of us like cars and the rest of ya can go cry about it somewhere else...

Yesterday, I read this McClatchy News article about spreading low-oxygen "dead zones" in the world's oceans -- http://news.yahoo.com/s/mcclatchy/20100 ... hy/3444187 -- and I immediately thought of all those head-up-their-asses dipshits who bitch about how "climate change" is a "liberal/leftist conspiracy", and I got so fucking angry I actually started to feel physically sick. I'm feeling that way again now.

get better soon please.

^ this

Thank you, both. I'll try, but it won't be easy.

[Korintar]

They are working on how to get hybrid and electric cars to roar like their gas guzzling cousins.

For real? Well, as soon as they perfect that, I'll download that typewriter sounds app for my Mac. tickytickytickytickytickytickyDING!

Seriously! The 'silent car problem' is a serious issue in the blind community. Check out the ACB & NFB websites- they are sure to mention it.

[Blouman Empire]

I don't speed..much

Seriously going the limit does only take about 40 minutes to travel the distance the bus does take an extra 10 minutes. I don't know why maybe it can't go as fast as the limit, the acceleration is obviously slower apart form that I don't know why.

Even if it takes 5 whole minutes to accelerate to the speed limit, I don't see how the bus could be taking 10 extra minutes unless the car is speeding. If there is some issue with physics here that I am missing, please enlighten me?

I was wrong the offical timetable is one hour (see whyalla to Pt Augusta Arr) though I swear that it has only taken us about 50 minutes maybe they have the extra 10 in case of heavy traffic.

http://www.premierstateliner.com.au/ttables/whyalla.pdf

I know for a fact as I have driven and been driven this same distance on this same road where it only takes 40-45 minutes, definitely no speeding as I have been driven by my mother who never goes over the limit.

I have no idea why this is I just know that it happens.

[Muravyets]

They are working on how to get hybrid and electric cars to roar like their gas guzzling cousins.

For real? Well, as soon as they perfect that, I'll download that typewriter sounds app for my Mac. tickytickytickytickytickytickyDING!

Seriously! The 'silent car problem' is a serious issue in the blind community. Check out the ACB & NFB websites- they are sure to mention it.

It's a problem for the sighted community, too, since we don't have eyes in the back of our heads, and just because a car is green, that doesn't mean the driver won't be moving at speed while reading a magazine or shaving or putting on make-up or playing video games. In all seriousness, I approve of the idea.

[Gift-of-god]

Indeed as I say that could take money that not everyone has.

And while moving away from there there will be days where you will have to commute a similar distance anyway.

And a whole other range of extraneous conditions may also apply to any given particular situation. That doesn't change the simple fact that organising your life in a manner that doesn't revolve around your car will free up a lot of your time.

[Blouman Empire]

Indeed as I say that could take money that not everyone has.

And while moving away from there there will be days where you will have to commute a similar distance anyway.

And a whole other range of extraneous conditions may also apply to any given particular situation. That doesn't change the simple fact that organising your life in a manner that doesn't revolve around your car will free up a lot of your time.

I'm not saying it won't but what I am saying is that simply getting a bike and not a car to ride everywhere isn't the be all and end all.

[Grave_n_idle]

I don't speed..much

Seriously going the limit does only take about 40 minutes to travel the distance the bus does take an extra 10 minutes. I don't know why maybe it can't go as fast as the limit, the acceleration is obviously slower apart form that I don't know why.

Even if it takes 5 whole minutes to accelerate to the speed limit, I don't see how the bus could be taking 10 extra minutes unless the car is speeding. If there is some issue with physics here that I am missing, please enlighten me?

I was wrong the offical timetable is one hour (see whyalla to Pt Augusta Arr) though I swear that it has only taken us about 50 minutes maybe they have the extra 10 in case of heavy traffic.

http://www.premierstateliner.com.au/ttables/whyalla.pdf

I know for a fact as I have driven and been driven this same distance on this same road where it only takes 40-45 minutes, definitely no speeding as I have been driven by my mother who never goes over the limit.

I have no idea why this is I just know that it happens.

What's the speed limit between the two?