Trump to move US embassy to Jerusalem

[MERIZoC]

Jerusalem is not internationally recognized as the capital of Israel, and for good reason, as such a move would constitute erasure of any recognition of the palestinian people.

In what world do foreign governments determine the location of the capital of a sovereign nation?

Jerusalem is not Israeli.

[Novus America]

Unless we say we recognize said law, or build it in East Jerusalem, in no way does it say that.

No. Think like this.
This half of the sandbox is Billy's sandbox, that half is Susies.
Billy claims the whole sandbox is his.
We are saying the sandbox is Billy's sandbox, whether that's the intent or not. So, Susie and all her friends will be mad at us.

No, we are not saying the Sandbox is Billy by saying his half is in fact is his. Susie and her friends might be angry, because she wants the whole thing too, sure. But that is her fault, not ours.

[Internationalist Bastard]

It's not just Palestine. Lots of politicians and nations support Palestine, and an American show of support of Israel on that scale will mean America will be viewed without a doubt as an ally of Israel. So nobody would want to give America to much power over any decision related to the region.

The US is already viewed without a doubt an ally of Israel. In fact we officially declared Israel such in 1989.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Major_non-NATO_ally

The US has power from backing Israel. That gives us influence over Israel.

What I'm trying to explain is the level of difference. We may be friends, but we have not backed them up on an occupation on such a big, official scale. People will be upset. Very upset

[Novus America]

In what world do foreign governments determine the location of the capital of a sovereign nation?

Jerusalem is not Israeli.

West Jerusalem is, according to the UN.
http://www.un.org/webcast/pdfs/SRES2334-2016.pdf

[Internationalist Bastard]

No. Think like this.
This half of the sandbox is Billy's sandbox, that half is Susies.
Billy claims the whole sandbox is his.
We are saying the sandbox is Billy's sandbox, whether that's the intent or not. So, Susie and all her friends will be mad at us.

No, we are not saying the Sandbox is Billy by saying his half is in fact is his. Susie and her friends might be angry, because she wants the whole thing too, sure. But that is her fault, not ours.

No, because we cannot just say that half of the city is theirs. It's a very complicated affair of laws and treaties that puts us in a tough position.

[Crockerland]

No, we are not saying the Sandbox is Billy by saying his half is in fact is his. Susie and her friends might be angry, because she wants the whole thing too, sure. But that is her fault, not ours.

No, because we cannot just say that half of the city is theirs. It's a very complicated affair of laws and treaties that puts us in a tough position.

The entire city is theirs, problem solved.

[Novus America]

The US is already viewed without a doubt an ally of Israel. In fact we officially declared Israel such in 1989.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Major_non-NATO_ally

The US has power from backing Israel. That gives us influence over Israel.

What I'm trying to explain is the level of difference. We may be friends, but we have not backed them up on an occupation on such a big, official scale. People will be upset. Very upset

Sure, it will upset some people. Obviously it has.
Some people might SEE it as backing their control of the whole city, but it is not necessarily so.
And we are more than friends, we officially declared them an ally, and gave them full legal benefits as such.

[Internationalist Bastard]

No, because we cannot just say that half of the city is theirs. It's a very complicated affair of laws and treaties that puts us in a tough position.

The entire city is theirs, problem solved.

Which is exactly the problem. That means we are declaring an occupation legal

[Novus America]

No, we are not saying the Sandbox is Billy by saying his half is in fact is his. Susie and her friends might be angry, because she wants the whole thing too, sure. But that is her fault, not ours.

No, because we cannot just say that half of the city is theirs. It's a very complicated affair of laws and treaties that puts us in a tough position.

The UN already did say half the city is theirs.
http://www.un.org/webcast/pdfs/SRES2334-2016.pdf

Look at articles 3 and 5.

[Internationalist Bastard]

No, because we cannot just say that half of the city is theirs. It's a very complicated affair of laws and treaties that puts us in a tough position.

The UN already did say half the city is theirs.
http://www.un.org/webcast/pdfs/SRES2334-2016.pdf

Are you listening to me? It is not accepted as the capital internationally because that means you are saying that Jerusalem is Israels capital as Israel says it is. Meaning the whole city.

[Crockerland]

The entire city is theirs, problem solved.

Which is exactly the problem. That means we are declaring an occupation legal

That doesn't sound like a problem to me, in fact, in sounds like a solution, finally acknowledging the successful defensive war Israel participated in and granting it the territory which it rightfully claims and polices after the relinquishment of any claim over the territory by the aggressor state which Israel defeated. Donald Trump is quite the problemsolver.

[Jamzmania]

In what world do foreign governments determine the location of the capital of a sovereign nation?

Jerusalem is not Israeli.

Everyone recognizes West Jerusalem as such, and in actuality the entire city is. The embassy will likely be in West Jerusalem anyways, so I don't see the problem.

This is just following the mandate of Congress, anyway.

[Internationalist Bastard]

Which is exactly the problem. That means we are declaring an occupation legal

That doesn't sound like a problem to me, in fact, in sounds like a solution, finally acknowledging the successful defensive war Israel participated in and granting it the territory which it rightfully claims and polices after the relinquishment of any claim over the territory by the aggressor state which Israel defeated. Donald Trump is quite the problemsolver.

So you Trump should start his presidency by pissing off the entire international community and approving of Israel doing what many consider illegal?

[Novus America]

The UN already did say half the city is theirs.
http://www.un.org/webcast/pdfs/SRES2334-2016.pdf

Are you listening to me? It is not accepted as the capital internationally because that means you are saying that Jerusalem is Israels capital as Israel says it is. Meaning the whole city.

Again, I have hard you all or nothing, black or white argument. I simply rejected it as incorrect. Look at articles 3 and 5. The UN has said half is Israeli so they do as well. Are you saying that the UN has said the whole city is Israeli because the said half is? I do not see the argument that half equals whole. And neither does the UN.

[Internationalist Bastard]

Are you listening to me? It is not accepted as the capital internationally because that means you are saying that Jerusalem is Israels capital as Israel says it is. Meaning the whole city.

Again, I have hard you all or nothing, black or white argument. I simply rejected it as incorrect. Look at articles 3 and 5. The UN has said half is Israeli so they do as well. Are you saying that the UN has said the whole city is Israeli because the said half is? I do not see the argument that half equals whole. And neither does the UN.

No. The UN does not see it as the capital though. For reasons I've explained. This is a major move, and not a simple matter.

[Crockerland]

Unless we say we recognize said law, or build it in East Jerusalem, in no way does it say that.

No. Think like this.
This half of the sandbox is Billy's sandbox, that half is Susies.
Billy claims the whole sandbox is his.
We are saying the sandbox is Billy's sandbox, whether that's the intent or not. So, Susie and all her friends will be mad at us.

Israeli conquest of Jerusalem (in response to Jordanian aggression): 1967
Declaration of a Palestinian state by the PLO: 1988

A correct analogy would be:
This half of the sandbox is Billy's sandbox, that half is Susies.
Susie tried to take Billy's half, so he kicked her out and took her half
Susise left and no longer wants that side of the sandbox
Billy claims the whole sandbox is his
Susie's cousin, Abdul, declares that what was once Susies side of the sandbox is now his

[Novus America]

Again, I have hard you all or nothing, black or white argument. I simply rejected it as incorrect. Look at articles 3 and 5. The UN has said half is Israeli so they do as well. Are you saying that the UN has said the whole city is Israeli because the said half is? I do not see the argument that half equals whole. And neither does the UN.

No. The UN does not see it as the capital though. For reasons I've explained. This is a major move, and not a simple matter.

The UN has not said it is NOT the capital either. And the US can legally build it in West Jerusalem if we so choose.
Sure those thinking we can freeze time and must keep the status quo at all costs will be upset, as this is a change from the current location.
I am not denying some people will be upset.

Just pointing out it is 100% legal for us to do it.

[Crockerland]

That doesn't sound like a problem to me, in fact, in sounds like a solution, finally acknowledging the successful defensive war Israel participated in and granting it the territory which it rightfully claims and polices after the relinquishment of any claim over the territory by the aggressor state which Israel defeated. Donald Trump is quite the problemsolver.

So you Trump should start his presidency by pissing off the entire international community and approving of Israel doing what many consider illegal?

He is standing up for what is right even though the international community doesn't approve, that's very brave and I applaud him for it.

[Internationalist Bastard]

No. Think like this.
This half of the sandbox is Billy's sandbox, that half is Susies.
Billy claims the whole sandbox is his.
We are saying the sandbox is Billy's sandbox, whether that's the intent or not. So, Susie and all her friends will be mad at us.

Israeli conquest of Jerusalem (in response to Jordanian aggression): 1967
Declaration of a Palestinian state by the PLO: 1988

A correct analogy would be:
This half of the sandbox is Billy's sandbox, that half is Susies.
Susie tried to take Billy's half, so he kicked her out and took her half
Susise left and no longer wants that side of the sandbox
Billy claims the whole sandbox is his
Susie's cousin, Abdul, declares that what was once Susies side of the sandbox is now his

It's still an occupation. There's a reason we haven't solved this yet.

[Internationalist Bastard]

No. The UN does not see it as the capital though. For reasons I've explained. This is a major move, and not a simple matter.

The UN has not said it is NOT the capital either. And the US can legally build it in West Jerusalem if we so choose.
Sure those thinking we can freeze time and must keep the status quo at all costs will be upset, as this is a change from the current location.
I am not denying some people will be upset.

Just pointing out it is 100% legal for us to do it.

I'm not saying it's illegal. I'm saying it going to be a big deal, more then "some people being upset"

[Novus America]

Israeli conquest of Jerusalem (in response to Jordanian aggression): 1967
Declaration of a Palestinian state by the PLO: 1988

A correct analogy would be:
This half of the sandbox is Billy's sandbox, that half is Susies.
Susie tried to take Billy's half, so he kicked her out and took her half
Susise left and no longer wants that side of the sandbox
Billy claims the whole sandbox is his
Susie's cousin, Abdul, declares that what was once Susies side of the sandbox is now his

It's still an occupation. There's a reason we haven't solved this yet.

And we will never solve it. Because both Billy and Abdul have split personalities, and cannot actually decide what they actually want.

[Montchevre]

Just one more laughable diplomatic disaster under God Emperor CEO Donald Drumpf. He really doesn't understand diplomacy at all; joining a rogue nation in breaking international law really isn't the way to go on day 2.

[Internationalist Bastard]

It's still an occupation. There's a reason we haven't solved this yet.

And we will never solve it. Because both Billy and Abdul have split personalities, and cannot actually decide what they actually want.

Yes. And aggravating the situation like this will not help.

[The Conez Imperium]

So you Trump should start his presidency by pissing off the entire international community and approving of Israel doing what many consider illegal?

He is standing up for what is right even though the international community doesn't approve, that's very brave and I applaud him for it.

And by what foundation is this right? Trump/Netanyahu logic or wider intentional community in regards to moving the embassy.

[Novus America]

The UN has not said it is NOT the capital either. And the US can legally build it in West Jerusalem if we so choose.
Sure those thinking we can freeze time and must keep the status quo at all costs will be upset, as this is a change from the current location.
I am not denying some people will be upset.

Just pointing out it is 100% legal for us to do it.

I'm not saying it's illegal. I'm saying it going to be a big deal, more then "some people being upset"

Some people consider it a big deal, sure. But it is 100% legal. Yes it will improve our ties with Israel, while making many Palestinian Arabs upset.