Is the left unfairly bashing Trump on social issues?

[Mattopilos]

The only reason Trump bashing from the left is unfair is because of how much they demanded respect for the office of president when Obama was elected. Trump is an arse, I reluctantly support him, and hypocrites are the worst.

You do realize how much Obama was bashed himself when he came to office, especially on the issue of him being Kenyan? Of course each side is going to want respect for the person they brought in, even if it is known the other side will not do so. I don't like either party nor Obama in particular, mind you, but it is not accurate to base an argument on "They wanted respect for their candidate, why can't mine have respect?" when the other side clearly didn't give respect anyway.

[Outer Sparta]

The only reason Trump bashing from the left is unfair is because of how much they demanded respect for the office of president when Obama was elected. Trump is an arse, I reluctantly support him, and hypocrites are the worst.

Can you clarify that again, or what I bolded?

[The Black Forrest]

The "personhood of fetuses" is only a bullshit ethical appeal to distract us from taking away female sexual freedoms.

Do you have a source for this?

Source? Look up the word opinion.

The only reason Trump bashing from the left is unfair is because of how much they demanded respect for the office of president when Obama was elected. Trump is an arse, I reluctantly support him, and hypocrites are the worst.

[Outer Sparta]

The only reason Trump bashing from the left is unfair is because of how much they demanded respect for the office of president when Obama was elected. Trump is an arse, I reluctantly support him, and hypocrites are the worst.

You do realize how much Obama was bashed himself when he came to office, especially on the issue of him being Kenyan? Of course each side is going to want respect for the person they brought in, even if it is known the other side will not do so. I don't like either party nor Obama in particular, mind you, but it is not accurate to base an argument on "They wanted respect for their candidate, why can't mine have respect?" when the other side clearly didn't give respect anyway.

I think Trump lost himself all that support from many because of his temperament. With a side of Twitter.

[Finium]

The only reason Trump bashing from the left is unfair is because of how much they demanded respect for the office of president when Obama was elected. Trump is an arse, I reluctantly support him, and hypocrites are the worst.

Can you clarify that again, or what I bolded?

> Conservatives raged when Obama was elected
> Liberals claimed he deserved more respect as President

> Liberals raged when Trump was elected
> Conservatives say he deserves respect as President

See the vicious cycle?

[Mattopilos]

Can you clarify that again, or what I bolded?

> Conservatives raged when Obama was elected
> Liberals claimed he deserved more respect as President

> Liberals raged when Trump was elected
> Conservatives say he deserves respect as President

See the vicious cycle?

Yeah, turns out politics is a polarizing subject. No shit.

[The Black Forrest]

Can you clarify that again, or what I bolded?

> Conservatives raged when Obama was elected
> Liberals claimed he deserved more respect as President

> Liberals raged when Trump was elected
> Conservatives say he deserves respect as President

See the vicious cycle?

Actually, liberals were complaining about things like birtherism.

[Republic of Canador]

Do you have a source for this?

Source? Look up the word opinion

Well then that's a pretty obscure opinion, because the Republican Party's platform over the years says nothing of that sort.

http://www.ontheissues.org/Celeb/Republ ... ortion.htm

[Finium]

The only reason Trump bashing from the left is unfair is because of how much they demanded respect for the office of president when Obama was elected. Trump is an arse, I reluctantly support him, and hypocrites are the worst.

You do realize how much Obama was bashed himself when he came to office, especially on the issue of him being Kenyan? Of course each side is going to want respect for the person they brought in, even if it is known the other side will not do so. I don't like either party nor Obama in particular, mind you, but it is not accurate to base an argument on "They wanted respect for their candidate, why can't mine have respect?" when the other side clearly didn't give respect anyway.

Conservatives were mad they didn't get to see Obama's birth certificate, Liberals mad they haven't seen Trump's tax returns. Etc etc. It's all purely us vs them, is my point. I think we agree on some level that asking the question "is it fair to criticize a public official?" is the wrong question entirely.

[Outer Sparta]

Can you clarify that again, or what I bolded?

> Conservatives raged when Obama was elected
> Liberals claimed he deserved more respect as President

> Liberals raged when Trump was elected
> Conservatives say he deserves respect as President

See the vicious cycle?

Yes, but Trump has less respect than what Obama earned. Mainly because Obama has a better temperament than Trump.

[The Black Forrest]

Source? Look up the word opinion

Well then that's a pretty obscure opinion, because the Republican Party's platform over the years says nothing of that sort.

http://www.ontheissues.org/Celeb/Republ ... ortion.htm

We will deny you rights but we don't hate you. Again that trite old love the sinner BS.

[Mattopilos]

You do realize how much Obama was bashed himself when he came to office, especially on the issue of him being Kenyan? Of course each side is going to want respect for the person they brought in, even if it is known the other side will not do so. I don't like either party nor Obama in particular, mind you, but it is not accurate to base an argument on "They wanted respect for their candidate, why can't mine have respect?" when the other side clearly didn't give respect anyway.

Conservatives were mad they didn't get to see Obama's birth certificate, Liberals mad they haven't seen Trump's tax returns. Etc etc. It's all purely us vs them, is my point. I think we agree on some level that asking the question "is it fair to criticize a public official?" is the wrong question entirely.

Of course it is, so I hardly see the point you made in the first place; people criticize ideological opponents. That is just how it is. I find it a bit of a false dichotomy since it isn't just liberals and conservatives that have opinions on the social issues, but obviously the mainstream has the voice here, and it is to be criticized based on these views. I hate both of them for different reasons.

[Finium]

Conservatives were mad they didn't get to see Obama's birth certificate, Liberals mad they haven't seen Trump's tax returns. Etc etc. It's all purely us vs them, is my point. I think we agree on some level that asking the question "is it fair to criticize a public official?" is the wrong question entirely.

Of course it is, so I hardly see the point you made in the first place; people criticize ideological opponents. That is just how it is. I find it a bit of a false dichotomy since it isn't just liberals and conservatives that have opinions on the social issues, but obviously the mainstream has the voice here, and it is to be criticized based on these views. I hate both of them for different reasons.

I hate people for how much they hate other people, it's a great, wholesome attitude to have. I do, however, hope that by exposing some of most outlandish hypocrisies that everyone can be more moderate. For example, now with the Anti-Trump sentiment. Reminding liberals how disgusted they were with conservatives when Obama was elected (muh guns, muh churches), they might not be so prone to exaggeration (muh bodily sovereignty, muh civil liberties).

[The Black Forrest]

You do realize how much Obama was bashed himself when he came to office, especially on the issue of him being Kenyan? Of course each side is going to want respect for the person they brought in, even if it is known the other side will not do so. I don't like either party nor Obama in particular, mind you, but it is not accurate to base an argument on "They wanted respect for their candidate, why can't mine have respect?" when the other side clearly didn't give respect anyway.

Conservatives were mad they didn't get to see Obama's birth certificate, Liberals mad they haven't seen Trump's tax returns. Etc etc. It's all purely us vs them, is my point. I think we agree on some level that asking the question "is it fair to criticize a public official?" is the wrong question entirely.

One is a tradition designed to show people if their are inappropriate ties to anything. The other is simply political crap as the natural born citizen is a violation of the Constitution. It had NO merit and was only done for dog-whistle politics.

I am curious however which Liberal said you have to respect the POTUS?

I have read and heard a few comments from conservatives saying you do.

[Republic of Canador]

Well then that's a pretty obscure opinion, because the Republican Party's platform over the years says nothing of that sort.

http://www.ontheissues.org/Celeb/Republ ... ortion.htm

We will deny you rights but we don't hate you. Again that trite old love the sinner BS.

If those rights interfere with what Conservatives view as the right to life, they are not protected. This is something we see for both men and women. Your rights end where another person's begins.

If you would like to logically criticize anti abortion rhetoric by claiming that it places personhood on entities that should not be considered people yet, then go ahead. But going on about how anyone who opposes abortion is a misogynist is an incredibly dangerous position to take.

[The Black Forrest]

Of course it is, so I hardly see the point you made in the first place; people criticize ideological opponents. That is just how it is. I find it a bit of a false dichotomy since it isn't just liberals and conservatives that have opinions on the social issues, but obviously the mainstream has the voice here, and it is to be criticized based on these views. I hate both of them for different reasons.

I hate people for how much they hate other people, it's a great, wholesome attitude to have. I do, however, hope that by exposing some of most outlandish hypocrisies that everyone can be more moderate. For example, now with the Anti-Trump sentiment. Reminding liberals how disgusted they were with conservatives when Obama was elected (muh guns, muh churches), they might not be so prone to exaggeration (muh bodily sovereignty, muh civil liberties).

It's ok I hate you.

Seriously, where is the hypocrisy?

[Galloism]

If those rights interfere with what Conservatives view as the right to life, they are not protected. This is something we see for both men and women. Your rights end where another person's begins.

Really? Are you sure about that?

[Republic of Canador]

If those rights interfere with what Conservatives view as the right to life, they are not protected. This is something we see for both men and women. Your rights end where another person's begins.

Really? Are you sure about that?

Well that seems to be the position in their platform over the years.

[The Black Forrest]

We will deny you rights but we don't hate you. Again that trite old love the sinner BS.

If those rights interfere with what Conservatives view as the right to life, they are not protected. This is something we see for both men and women. Your rights end where another person's begins.

If you would like to logically criticize anti abortion rhetoric by claiming that it places personhood on entities that should not be considered people yet, then go ahead. But going on about how anyone who opposes abortion is a misogynist is an incredibly dangerous position to take.

Just like the position that it does not exist.

Seriously; I suspect this is a tangent to the op.....

[Divadland]

Millions of people took to the streets in recent days in support of women after President Trump's inauguration.

My one question for you guys: why? Women in the western world are, for all intents and purposes, equal to men. They have the right to vote, attend public schools, pursue any occupation, and are just as able to do whatever they want as men are. The pay gap between men and women is almost non-existent once you factor in career choices, family planning, and so on. Trump may have made some regrettable remarks throughout his life, but actions speak louder than words. He appointed Betsy DeVos, Elaine Chao, Nikki Haley, Lindy McMahon, and other exceptional women to his cabinet. Kelly Anne Conway is going to be a key adviser, and it's not like there were a shortage of women supporting Trump in the election. And it's worth noting that Trump has been one of the few Republicans on a federal stage proposing paid family leave.

Is Trump looking to take away any fundamental rights from women? I don't think so! The left brings up abortion, but there are millions of people in this country who genuinely oppose abortion because they abhor the practice. Not because they view women as "lesser." It's fine to disagree on this issue (abortion is a very sensitive topic), but can we please stop acting like pro-life folks are all sexist? Millions of women in this country are pro-life, and groups like the Susan B. Anthony list promote candidates of this persuasion. When it comes to Planned Parenthood, Trump and Republicans and Congress have consistently advocated for funding health care centers that don't provide abortions, so acting as if resources will suddenly be stripped from low-income women is disingenuous.

The left hasn't given any other evidence that women's rights are in danger when we look past Trump's stupid comments in the past. If we are really concerned about gender equality, we need to look to places in the world where women can't drive cars, attend schools, or go outside without men. Much less vote and run for office.

We see the same problem with immigrants. The First Lady of the U.S. is an immigrant, and Trump has employed many immigrants in his businesses. He has consistently said that he wants more skilled labor to come to America. The only thing he wants to do is stop illegal immigration through strict enforcement of our laws. Yet the left acts as if all immigrants are in danger and accuse Trump of racism.

Anyways, those are my thoughts. What say you, NSG?

Everything here I agree with.

[Galloism]

Really? Are you sure about that?

Well that seems to be the position in their platform over the years.

See, there's a problem though: consistency.

If that were a consistent position, then self-defense would be outlawed unless it was a clear right to life vs right to life. I can kill a grown man in self-defense if they threaten me injury or I reasonably believe they will cause injury to me, which is, in more conservative areas, is interpreted so broadly that merely breaking into your house is enough of a threat that you can end someone. This is a right conservatives support.

If this were a consistent position, conservatives would want to massively restrict self-defense.

[Republic of Canador]

If those rights interfere with what Conservatives view as the right to life, they are not protected. This is something we see for both men and women. Your rights end where another person's begins.

If you would like to logically criticize anti abortion rhetoric by claiming that it places personhood on entities that should not be considered people yet, then go ahead. But going on about how anyone who opposes abortion is a misogynist is an incredibly dangerous position to take.

Just like the position that it does not exist.

Seriously; I suspect this is a tangent to the op.....

I never claimed it didn't exist, just that it is not the primary reason most conservatives oppose abortion.

[Finium]

It's ok I hate you.

Seriously, where is the hypocrisy?

Obama is always right, Trump is always wrong. They could've given the exact same speeches and the left and right would hate them both for it. The Affordable Care act was essentially the same plan as the one Romney pushed back in his gubernatorial days, but since Obama suggested it, it was the incarnation of evil. Obama said we should all love each other because we're all Americans, but when Trump said that during his inauguration, it was vile, dangerous nationalism.

Like seriously, surely you understand that biases exist, even if you are foolish enough (much like myself) to believe you don't personally have them.

EDIT: I hate you too, buddy.

[Crockerland]

Well that seems to be the position in their platform over the years.

See, there's a problem though: consistency.

If that were a consistent position, then self-defense would be outlawed unless it was a clear right to life vs right to life. I can kill a grown man in self-defense if they threaten me injury or I reasonably believe they will cause injury to me, which is, in more conservative areas, is interpreted so broadly that merely breaking into your house is enough of a threat that you can end someone.

"merely" and "breaking into your house" do not go together.

[Galloism]

See, there's a problem though: consistency.

If that were a consistent position, then self-defense would be outlawed unless it was a clear right to life vs right to life. I can kill a grown man in self-defense if they threaten me injury or I reasonably believe they will cause injury to me, which is, in more conservative areas, is interpreted so broadly that merely breaking into your house is enough of a threat that you can end someone.

"merely" and "breaking into your house" do not go together.

"Merely" and "breaking into your body" do not go together either, yet it is treated as such.