Russia; will they make a big move in Eastern Europe?

[Wiepolskie]

Russia did not take territory from Georgia, and Crimea voted to become part of Russia. Russia does not want to invade Eastern Europe or restore the USSR (or at least the 1989 borders). Most of Europe is stacked against them if they did, because NATO, in practice, is an inherently anti-Russian organization. Trump is right when he says its failing.

This is quite a Pro-Russian statement here. So supporting organisations that work to return parts of sovereign nations to Russia is okay now?

I won't mask being biased, but I'm biased for a reason.

Supporting what organizations? The DNR/LNR? Abkhazia and South Ossetia? Sure they've made no secret of supporting Russia, but there's no real proof that Russia has intervened in Eastern Ukraine, and the two Georgian regions have broken away on their own accord, and asked Russia for help.

Then again, the west has backed separatist organizations that are against the Russian bloc, like in Kosovo, so I'm not surprised.

[IceBuddha]

This is quite a Pro-Russian statement here. So supporting organisations that work to return parts of sovereign nations to Russia is okay now?

I won't mask being biased, but I'm biased for a reason.

Supporting what organizations? The DNR/LNR? Abkhazia and South Ossetia? Sure they've made no secret of supporting Russia, but there's no real proof that Russia has intervened in Eastern Ukraine, and the two Georgian regions have broken away on their own accord, and asked Russia for help.

Then again, the west has backed separatist organizations that are against the Russian bloc, like in Kosovo, so I'm not surprised.

Define "real proof".

[United Marxist Nations]

I hope so.

[Wiepolskie]

I won't mask being biased, but I'm biased for a reason.

Supporting what organizations? The DNR/LNR? Abkhazia and South Ossetia? Sure they've made no secret of supporting Russia, but there's no real proof that Russia has intervened in Eastern Ukraine, and the two Georgian regions have broken away on their own accord, and asked Russia for help.

Then again, the west has backed separatist organizations that are against the Russian bloc, like in Kosovo, so I'm not surprised.

Define "real proof".

Uh, proof of Russian divisions being sent into the Donbass to help the rebels?

Sure, there's been volunteers, and aid caravans, but no full scale invasion.

[Venerable Bede]

I hope so.

I can't deny that I'm happy that the Crimea is once again Russia, but rocking the boat in Europe probably isn't worth the repercussions. None of the four players in the opening of WWI expected it to happen, not Austria-Hungary, neither Germany, nor Russia, nor Serbia.

[Engleberg]

This is quite a Pro-Russian statement here. So supporting organisations that work to return parts of sovereign nations to Russia is okay now?

I won't mask being biased, but I'm biased for a reason.

Supporting what organizations? The DNR/LNR? Abkhazia and South Ossetia? Sure they've made no secret of supporting Russia, but there's no real proof that Russia has intervened in Eastern Ukraine, and the two Georgian regions have broken away on their own accord, and asked Russia for help.

Then again, the west has backed separatist organizations that are against the Russian bloc, like in Kosovo, so I'm not surprised.

I must ask of you, since you are pro-Russian, do you believe Königsberg is rightfully Russian?

[Wiepolskie]

I won't mask being biased, but I'm biased for a reason.

Supporting what organizations? The DNR/LNR? Abkhazia and South Ossetia? Sure they've made no secret of supporting Russia, but there's no real proof that Russia has intervened in Eastern Ukraine, and the two Georgian regions have broken away on their own accord, and asked Russia for help.

Then again, the west has backed separatist organizations that are against the Russian bloc, like in Kosovo, so I'm not surprised.

I must ask of you, since you are pro-Russian, do you believe Königsberg is rightfully Russian?

It's mostly made up of ethnic Russians, so yes in that sense.

In the historical sense, I believe the native Baltic Prussians have a claim to it, if any.

[Republic of the Cristo]

No, Russia isn't going to do that. I really feel that you are overly paranoid about anything to do with Russia.

And Trump has gone on to say that he would be keeping the US in NATO, so the US would intervene in the event of a Russian invasion ( one which will not happen )

[Sack Jackpot Winners]

I hope so.

I can't deny that I'm happy that the Crimea is once again Russia, but rocking the boat in Europe probably isn't worth the repercussions. None of the four players in the opening of WWI expected it to happen, neither Austria, nor Germany, nor Russia, nor Serbia.

Honestly if Russia puts in a "big move", they're liable to see their armed forces or economy implode. Both of them are hollow and lifeless, especially the military which could barely handle the Chechen crisis, if at all.

[IceBuddha]

Define "real proof".

Uh, proof of Russian divisions being sent into the Donbass to help the rebels?

Sure, there's been volunteers, and aid caravans, but no full scale invasion.

So an intervention requires that there is a "full scale invasion"? By that logic, the USA didn't intervene in the Soviet War in Afghanistan.

That's beside the point, though. It's quite clear that Russia has committed limited conventional forces in Eastern Ukraine. They've engaged in cross border shelling, and they rotate combined arms groups (complete with armored vehicles, artillery, and advanced electronic warfare equipment) through the region to augment DNR forces. I don't understand the impulse to deny it, it's a bit ridiculous.

[Rio Cana]

Ukraine is a big problem because most of its territory was created via forced Soviet annexation from neighboring nations that had no choice. In reality, the Russian Soviets were the ones pulling the strings. Ukraine was to become a buffer state for Russia. Good plan but the Russians outsmarted themselves. Instead of attaching those forcibly annexed territories to Ukraine they should have attached them directly to Russia. Crimea was always Russian until one of its leaders decided to illegally gift it to Ukraine. Chances are that if he had known Ukraine would one day leave that he would not have gifted Crimea to Ukraine. So its 2017, the Russians seem to be trying to set right what they now consider the mistaken decisions of previous Soviet politicians. Mistakes which today they consider has created for them major security problems since Ukraine is no longer a buffer State under there control like in Soviet times. After all, back then annexing those territories was all about creating a buffer zone for Russia.

[Thermodolia]

God I hope not

[Thermodolia]

Arming other nations is what got us into trouble in the first place. It needs to stop.

I hear that Eastern European women are very beautiful.

[Thermodolia]

This is quite a Pro-Russian statement here. So supporting organisations that work to return parts of sovereign nations to Russia is okay now?

I won't mask being biased, but I'm biased for a reason.

Supporting what organizations? The DNR/LNR? Abkhazia and South Ossetia? Sure they've made no secret of supporting Russia, but there's no real proof that Russia has intervened in Eastern Ukraine, and the two Georgian regions have broken away on their own accord, and asked Russia for help.

Then again, the west has backed separatist organizations that are against the Russian bloc, like in Kosovo, so I'm not surprised.

So all those Russian troops where just taking a vacation?

[Uxupox]

Arming other nations is what got us into trouble in the first place. It needs to stop.

I hear that Eastern European women are very beautiful.

Especially Kosovo women.

[Geilinor]

I hope so.

I don't. A big move by Russia in Eastern Europe could cause a world war.

[Sack Jackpot Winners]

I hope so.

I don't. A big move by Russia in Eastern Europe could cause a world war.

"World War" is a strong word. "Largest rout in history" is much closer to the truth.

[The Great Devourer of All]

Possibly, but I doubt it. Russia doesn't have what it takes to get past the border of Poland. Putin will probably stick to showy displays of power for now.

[Uxupox]

I don't. A big move by Russia in Eastern Europe could cause a world war.

"World War" is a strong word. "Largest rout in history" is much closer to the truth.

Doubtful there is gonna be a rout on a scale of Soviet troops back in 1941.

[Thermodolia]

I don't. A big move by Russia in Eastern Europe could cause a world war.

"World War" is a strong word. "Largest rout in history" is much closer to the truth.

Nuclear apocalypse also comes to mind

[Sack Jackpot Winners]

"World War" is a strong word. "Largest rout in history" is much closer to the truth.

Doubtful there is gonna be a rout on a scale of Soviet troops back in 1941.

How about in recent memory then, although it would be the entire Russian military rather than just segments. They are worse off than the Iraqis (in either Gulf War) except they have better tech...but worse discipline and even more absurd leadership. All of the sudden firearms salesmen will be sell '74s with the slogan "dropped but not fired".

[Sack Jackpot Winners]

"World War" is a strong word. "Largest rout in history" is much closer to the truth.

Nuclear apocalypse also comes to mind

With the missile shields that the public both knows about and doesn't, I highly doubt they would have the time to start a nuclear holocaust and even if they could they wouldn't. Its a virtual death sentence that even Putin couldn't survive, and some of his generals would end up shooting him. Their leadership and ours doesn't want a nuclear war.

[IceBuddha]

Ukraine is a big problem because most of its territory was created via forced Soviet annexation from neighboring nations that had no choice. In reality, the Russian Soviets were the ones pulling the strings. Ukraine was to become a buffer state for Russia. Good plan but the Russians outsmarted themselves. Instead of attaching those forcibly annexed territories to Ukraine they should have attached them directly to Russia. Crimea was always Russian until one of its leaders decided to illegally gift it to Ukraine. Chances are that if he had known Ukraine would one day leave that he would not have gifted Crimea to Ukraine. So its 2017, the Russians seem to be trying to set right what they now consider the mistaken decisions of previous Soviet politicians. Mistakes which today they consider has created for them major security problems since Ukraine is no longer a buffer State under there control like in Soviet times. After all, back then annexing those territories was all about creating a buffer zone for Russia.

The problem with all of those irredentist/ethnonationalist claims over Crimea is that Russia recognized Crimea as a part of Ukraine by treaty (including the Belavezha Accords, the Budapest Memorandum and the 1997 Partition Treaty on the Status and Conditions of the Black Sea Fleet). It's just meaningless rhetoric designed to justify military aggression and expansionism.

But anyway, the fact that Ukraine will never return to being a friendly state is one of the big disbenefits of Russia's Ukraine policy. I don't see relations ever returning to normal after what Russia did. Sure, they get to retain their Black Sea Fleet base, but at what cost in the long term? No one held a gun to their head and made them resort to such extreme measures.

[Uxupox]

Doubtful there is gonna be a rout on a scale of Soviet troops back in 1941.

How about in recent memory then, although it would be the entire Russian military rather than just segments. They are worse off than the Iraqis (in either Gulf War) except they have better tech...but worse discipline and even more absurd leadership. All of the sudden firearms manufacturers will be sell '74s with the slogan "dropped but not fired".

I agree that their leadership is complete hogwash. What are their new doctrines anyway.

[Rio Cana]

I won't mask being biased, but I'm biased for a reason.

Supporting what organizations? The DNR/LNR? Abkhazia and South Ossetia? Sure they've made no secret of supporting Russia, but there's no real proof that Russia has intervened in Eastern Ukraine, and the two Georgian regions have broken away on their own accord, and asked Russia for help.

Then again, the west has backed separatist organizations that are against the Russian bloc, like in Kosovo, so I'm not surprised.

So all those Russian troops where just taking a vacation?

Seems you need to see these videos.They will explain some of the problems. With the exception of the last one that lasts a little over 4 min. the first two last less then three minutes. -

On Russia - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W6LIhNgsQoc

On the Ukraine - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eicrsq6K85I

This on Russia military options in Ukraine - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LCMn-WDTIf8