by Galloism » Mon Jan 16, 2017 9:16 pm
by Infected Mushroom » Mon Jan 16, 2017 9:18 pm
by Galloism » Mon Jan 16, 2017 9:20 pm
Infected Mushroom wrote:An American is someone who has a an American passport and got the American passport legally (ex not as a result of entering the country illegally and conning their way to get it, in which it should be voided).
by Farnhamia » Mon Jan 16, 2017 9:20 pm
Galloism wrote:Infected Mushroom wrote:An American is someone who has a an American passport and got the American passport legally (ex not as a result of entering the country illegally and conning their way to get it, in which it should be voided).
So 2/3 of people who are citizens of America are not real Americans because they don't have a passport?
by Infected Mushroom » Mon Jan 16, 2017 9:21 pm
Galloism wrote:Infected Mushroom wrote:An American is someone who has a an American passport and got the American passport legally (ex not as a result of entering the country illegally and conning their way to get it, in which it should be voided).
So 2/3 of people who are citizens of America are not real Americans because they don't have a passport?
by Infected Mushroom » Mon Jan 16, 2017 9:21 pm
by Galloism » Mon Jan 16, 2017 9:21 pm
by Farnhamia » Mon Jan 16, 2017 9:21 pm
by Galloism » Mon Jan 16, 2017 9:22 pm
by Farnhamia » Mon Jan 16, 2017 9:23 pm
by Galloism » Mon Jan 16, 2017 9:23 pm
by Etheriland » Mon Jan 16, 2017 9:25 pm
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by The New Fandom Republic » Mon Jan 16, 2017 9:26 pm
by The Floridian Republic » Mon Jan 16, 2017 9:26 pm
by Farnhamia » Mon Jan 16, 2017 9:26 pm
Etheriland wrote:I think people become Americans when they settle permanently in America, or if they are born in America. Same with any other place.
by Farnhamia » Mon Jan 16, 2017 9:27 pm
The new fandom republic wrote:I'd say 50 years after the mayflower landed on America's shore.
by The Floridian Republic » Mon Jan 16, 2017 9:28 pm
by Grave_n_idle » Mon Jan 16, 2017 9:28 pm
Galloism wrote:If you argue that Americans before 1789 are not real Americans, no one who died in the revolutionary war was a real american. If you argue it's 1781 (when the articles were ratified) no one who died for the first few years of the war is a real American. From a linguistic standpoint, excluding people who fought for the existence of the country from being included as part of the people from that country is inexcusable.
by The New Fandom Republic » Mon Jan 16, 2017 9:30 pm
by The Floridian Republic » Mon Jan 16, 2017 9:31 pm
by Galloism » Mon Jan 16, 2017 9:31 pm
Grave_n_idle wrote:Galloism wrote:If you argue that Americans before 1789 are not real Americans, no one who died in the revolutionary war was a real american. If you argue it's 1781 (when the articles were ratified) no one who died for the first few years of the war is a real American. From a linguistic standpoint, excluding people who fought for the existence of the country from being included as part of the people from that country is inexcusable.
I disagree.
Indeed, I think it makes the whole thing more noble - the people who fought for the ideal and never saw it achieved.
Calling them 'American' seems much like an honorary degree. You could do it, but as an act of recognition.
by The Twelve Isles » Mon Jan 16, 2017 9:32 pm
by Farnhamia » Mon Jan 16, 2017 9:32 pm
by The New Fandom Republic » Mon Jan 16, 2017 9:32 pm
The Floridian Republic wrote:I think considering oneself an 'American' is also a matter of political identification as much as anything else. Before the country was founded, the idea of a separate 'American' identity didn't come until the 18th century for the most part. So i'd say during the 17th century, 'Americans' were really just English settlers at that point, without an identity separate from that of the United Kingdom. I think a lot of that had to do with the fact the colonies, in the beginning, were still very dependent on the United Kingdom for support and continued existence. When the colonies became self-sufficient, i'd say that's when the idea of a separate 'American' identity began to form.
by FelrikTheDeleted » Mon Jan 16, 2017 9:33 pm
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